Dotta
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I totally follow, I was kind of saying the way the info was presented was to build an association between Lucy and deaths on the unit and not saying "there were other deaths on the unit and it was found that she had nothing to do with them". You see what I mean? It's actually not so clear cut from either angle meaning I'm not sure that to say the prosecution did exaggerate her association with deaths is correct, I still focus on whether or not it was relayed in court that other deaths did happen and she was there but nothing suspicious about them.To be specific, it was made in relation to, and showed, only the ones she was charged with. You wouldn't do it any other way because none of the others are relevant. As it happens, she was actually present for some of the others but they aren't relevant.
This comment is a good example of how easily people can be mislead by statistics, even extremely intelligent people such as appeal judges STILL falling for invalid statistical inferences despite being warned by experts about how prone we are as untrained human beings to fall for them. Your whole comment, this entire case rests on a statistical inference that might not be valid: namely that there was necessarily anything improbable or ‘striking’ about this spike in deaths. After all, similar spikes have occurred in other hospitals, at other times.The thing about the other deaths/collapses is that, regardless of how much her delusional supporters plead, they simply aren't relevant. They aren't suspicious so they don't have any relevance to the prosecution. The example that Tortoise gave of the ambulance driver smothering his patients having no relevance to the ones who died of natural heart failure is perfectly apt. The heart deaths simply aren't relevant and have no bearing on the guilt of the driver.
The other deaths on the ward in LL's case weren't relevant because they weren't criminal. Once again, it's people putting too much stock in the whole ...the death rate went up... malarkey. This investigation was not sparked because some pencil pusher in an office was collating figures one day, peered over their horn rimmed glasses and had a Eureka moment. It was set in motion, after much push-back, because several doctors and other professionals started noticing worrying coincidences involving the presence of LL when these things went down. It was she who brought the attention, not any sort of statistics. Her fans need to realise that!
We know that the other cases were down to identified causes - congenital issues in something like four of them, for instance - causes which don't open them up to suspicion of criminality.
Another issue I can see is this hypothetical scenario; what if in one or two of these cases the police did actually have suspicions as to whether she had harmed them, perhaps very strong suspicions (not suggesting they ever did), but the CPS wouldn't authorise charges because the evidence didn't clear the bar? If you started going down that rabbit hole then it's anyone's guess where you'd end up. You can hardly have the prosecuting KC present these things in court - it would surely be violating all manner of procedures and rules? Not least the fact that it would end up obliterating any future prosecution should sufficient evidence come to light due to it already having been prejudiced.
The strange thing about this, is that the unit had 2 and 3 deaths in 2013 and 2014 (or was it 3 and 4?) So even without Letby, there was a huge increase on the years previous, it seems. 9 deaths..[...]
While one such chart listed 25 collapses and fatalities in which Letby was present, the jury was not told about a further nine deaths over that period with which she was not charged, which were not included in the table, according to The Daily Mail.
A source said: “Four of the deaths were babies born with a congenital problem or birth defect, another baby was sadly asphyxiated or deprived of oxygen at birth, the remaining four died of infection and their deaths were precipitated with a period of time consistent with infection – they did not suddenly and unexpectedly collapse and die.”
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A public inquiry examining events at the Countess of Chester Hospital following Letby’s multiple convictions is due to begin on 10 September in Liverpool.
What are the fresh questions surrounding the Lucy Letby case?
I disagree with this. I think there's a history of people demonizing attractive women because of misogyny. I think of Amanda Knox who was universally condemned, assumed guilty and found guilty, but it turns out was not.I can guarantee that if Lucy Letby was a man, nobody would be saying he was innocent. Especially if he was ugly.
These people would probably think Annie Wilkes was innocent.
The photo in here of the fanaticals is worth a look. Lucy Letby supporter attacks medical witness who helped convict killer