GUILTY UK - Star Hobson, 16 months, murdered, Sep 2020 *arrest*

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I thought 8 years was too long. The judge was ignorant and dismissive of the domestic violence aspect, also the low IQ, both of which should have been considered in the sentencing.

She was not equally responsible for the death of her child. This is not like the Arthur Labinjo Hughes case.
 
I thought 8 years was too long. The judge was ignorant and dismissive of the domestic violence aspect, also the low IQ, both of which should have been considered in the sentencing.

She was not equally responsible for the death of her child. This is not like the Arthur Labinjo Hughes case.

Agreed. I hope she gets the help she needs will in prison.
 
A review into the death of murdered toddler Star Hobson has been delayed.

The 16-month-old died in 2020 after months of "neglect, cruelty and injury" at the hands of mother Frankie Smith and partner Savannah Brockhill.

An independent review examining how authorities responded to five social services referrals before her death was expected this month.

Authors of the Local Child Safeguarding Practice Review said more work was needed to assess a "mass of evidence".

Star Hobson murder: Social services review delayed
 
A review into the death of murdered toddler Star Hobson has been delayed.

The 16-month-old died in 2020 after months of "neglect, cruelty and injury" at the hands of mother Frankie Smith and partner Savannah Brockhill.

An independent review examining how authorities responded to five social services referrals before her death was expected this month.

Authors of the Local Child Safeguarding Practice Review said more work was needed to assess a "mass of evidence".

Star Hobson murder: Social services review delayed
Hopefully this isn't, more work is needed to whitewash a mass of evidence that shows categorically how social services did an appalling job, but lessons will be learned, jobs will be saved yet again
 
I don’t agree with this. I thought her jail term of 8 years was too long already.

Her lawyer did a really good job with summing up and proving that she wasn’t guilty of murder, but he did a *advertiser censored* job of getting her an appropriate sentence. He didn’t draw attention to the mitigating factors at all. The judge was useless at understanding domestic violence dynamics or low IQ, and had some ignorant beliefs.
 
I don’t agree with this. I thought her jail term of 8 years was too long already.

Her lawyer did a really good job with summing up and proving that she wasn’t guilty of murder, but he did a **** job of getting her an appropriate sentence. He didn’t draw attention to the mitigating factors at all. The judge was useless at understanding domestic violence dynamics or low IQ, and had some ignorant beliefs.

The initial judge & appeal court judges heard all the evidence. We didn't.
Low IQ and domestic violence are not excuses for allowing your child to be murdered imo. Smith is NOT a victim!!
 
The initial judge & appeal court judges heard all the evidence. We didn't.
Low IQ and domestic violence are not excuses for allowing your child to be murdered imo. Smith is NOT a victim!!
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"But while she had been due to serve two-thirds of her sentence before being considered for release, today this was reduced to half because her youth means she is ineligible for an extended minimum term. The 443 days Smith spent on remand means she could be out in around five years.

The Appeal judge ruled the original trial judge had also been wrong to send Smith to an adult prison due to her being under 21, and said she should go to a young offenders' institution instead."
 
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I don’t agree with this. I thought her jail term of 8 years was too long already.

Her lawyer did a really good job with summing up and proving that she wasn’t guilty of murder, but he did a **** job of getting her an appropriate sentence. He didn’t draw attention to the mitigating factors at all. The judge was useless at understanding domestic violence dynamics or low IQ, and had some ignorant beliefs.
Taken to its logical conclusion do you honestly believe, in general terms, that if a stupid person commits a crime they deserve a lesser sentence than an intelligent person who commits the same crime?
 
Taken to its logical conclusion do you honestly believe, in general terms, that if a stupid person commits a crime they deserve a lesser sentence than an intelligent person who commits the same crime?

No need to extend this to general terms, the sentencing guidelines for causing/allowing specifically mention domestic violence and learning disabilities.

The judge dismissed domestic violence on the basis that there is plenty of evidence of Frankie arguing with Savanna, therefore fear of domestic violence couldn’t have been a factor. This is extremely ignorant of the dynamics of domestic violence: victims aren’t all trembling quiet mice. This is a harmful stereotype that the judge has bought into, and used it, in spite of plenty of witness evidence that Savanna had definitely been violent to Frankie, and that multiple people were frightened of Savanna, let alone her actual girlfriend. There is even video evidence of Frankie being intimidated by Savanna. The judge is also ignoring the fact that domestic violence destroys a victim’s judgement and free will.

The judge also dismissed Frankie’s low IQ being a factor, saying that Frankie could understand proceedings, read through her bundle (of court documents), and attempt to justify her actions, which the judge said showed something like guile and cunning.

This is ignorant, an IQ of 70 is in the bottom 2nd percentile. Every 50th person you pass on the street will be as unintelligent as Frankie. They are not potatoes, as the judge seems to expect. They are perfectly capable of having a basic understanding of court proceedings. An IQ of 70 is about equivalent to an average 9 year old; at the age of 8-9 my parents began a vicious custody battle, and we had a basic understanding of proceedings at that age.

People with a borderline IQ are just about functioning adults, but will always be vulnerable to those with significantly higher intelligence, which is the point in these guidelines for causing/allowing.

Unfortunately Savanna’s IQ was not mentioned by Frankie’s defence. I don’t know what her IQ is or if it was in the evidence but not mentioned, but it’s very obvious that Savanna is massively more articulate than Frankie. Combined with the fact that Frankie was only 18-19, whereas Savanna was 26-27, there was a huge power imbalance in this relationship.

That is the point of learning disabilities and domestic violence indicating lower sentences for causing/allowing: both if these factors mean the person charged with causing/allowing could more easily have the wool pulled over their eyes; be convinced that something wrong was acceptable; or hamper their already compromised judgement on the appropriate actions to take.

There is no evidence that Frankie suspected Savanna of assaulting Star before the weekend of the recycling plant CCTV assaults, 11th-13th September. There is text evidence that Frankie believed that prior injuries were accidental. In thousands upon thousands of messages, nothing incriminating was found before this weekend that Frankie knew Star was being hit. This indicates that Savanna never injuriously assaulted Star in front of Frankie.

Star only saw Savanna twice after that, both with Frankie present. On the day of the murder, two other small children were present. It’s not unsurprising for a very dim girl with compromised judgement to think that Star was safe from injury in her presence, as she always had been before. Let alone with two children present for a quick toilet break.

So in answer to the question, YES I believe that stupidity should be considered in these cases.

The whole point in causing/allowing is whether they knew or should have known that the child was at risk of death.

Given Frankie’s impaired judgement due to low IQ and DV, and given the lack of evidence for her knowing of any assaults before the recycling plant weekend (and even than Frankie was only suspicious), I really don’t think she did. Did she know? No. Should she have known? Still no, because she was so thick, and was being actively manipulated by an intimidating, older and more intelligent woman.

I was glad she was convicted, because there is ample evidence (including her own admissions) that Frankie was guilty of child cruelty, but unfortunately she wasn’t charged with that. So for justice, I was glad she was still convicted of something.

However, given how tenuous the evidence was for a causing/allowing conviction, I really don’t think the sentencing should have been that long. And the judge was extremely ignorant. Frankie’s lawyer did a bad job there.

I do get the impression that a lengthened sentence is just to satiate the pitchfork-wielders who don’t know the details of this case, because changing it to a 12 year sentence to be served in a young offenders with a minimum half term, effectively only increases her time in prison by 8 months, as the initial 8 years had a minimum two thirds term.
 

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