UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #5

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I think it's possible leaning towards victim blaming to speak towards lifestyle -but- at the same time one can clearly see there are 'vulnerability factors'.

Most women who are murdered are killed by their partner. If a woman is having multiple secretive relationships, that puts them at higher risk of being murdered by a partner or some form of liaison that no-one knows of, also raised even more due to possible jealousy. So, having multiple relationships and being secretive are two huge vulnerability factors.

Other people are murdered over business deals gone wrong or by financially exploitative crooks. So being involved in estate agency, possibly having secret negotiations not declared to one's employer, potentially investing in a business plan with someone gone wrong. More vulnerability factors relating to money, shady business, and being secretive.

Multiple romantic / sexual relationships + secretive + involved in big money financial arrangements + secretive.

Maybe drinking a lot and / or using / buying any type of drug (ie knowingly interacting with criminals) would add extra vulnerabilities. As well as being out and about socialising, maybe in bars, pubs, clubs where one doesn't necessarily know the other people in the environment - more vulnerability factors could be 'simply coming to the attention of a wrong'un' as said above.

JMO MOO
Very well put. The police focused on wrong un John Cannan and haven’t wavered from their belief that he’s guilty.
Interestingly just one week before Suzy disappeared a women was abducted from Fulham and raped by “The Richmond Rapist”.
The identikit produced by this unfortunate women is almost identical to the 2nd identikit produced of the Shorrolds Road “Mr Kipper”.
However, having said that, it probably looks like thousands of men, so not really helpful.
During the same time period another women was raped in the toilets at Putney Bridge underground station.
The photofit produced looks nothing like the Richmond Rapist or Mr Kipper. This just goes to show that the police focusing on John Cannan clearly doesn’t cover all lines of enquiry.
Unless John Cannan was the Richmond Rapist, if so, why didn’t the police put him in a ID parade and prove his guilt.
IMO they hadn’t linked him to any of these crimes at the time.
 
Anyways. People looking in estate agents windows of a Sunday afternoon. Who'd a thunk? Or was Sturgis the only estate agent in history of time not to have property details on every square inch of window space?
i doubt the property details would be displayed in the window on a sunday.
 
So here's my hypothesis as to what happened.

SJL slept with others while she was with AL, including while he was on holiday. When he got back, instead of the expected ecstatic reunion sex he was looking forward to on the Friday, she blanked him. He did not see her on Friday, nor on the Saturday (when she possibly copped off with someone else), nor on Sunday when she went to the coast (he followed) and back (he followed) without him. This is not how you conduct yourself towards your sole bloke whom you've not seen for 2 weeks. He got the firm elbow on Sunday evening at the PoW, after she had pointedly ignored him all weekend.

Her anxiety to get the diary back was because if the pub somehow had it, it meant AL did not, as it contained stuff she did not need him to know. The items were lost there on the Sunday, not Friday, otherwise it could not have been CV who found it.

AL's self-contradictory accounts of the last weekend (telling a TV doc he and SJL went to the PoW on Friday, telling DV he'd never been there) were to save face; to suggest that he and SJL were still a thing (a recent split would be troublesome to explain to LE given she had just disappeared); and fortuitously, to support the impression of SJL that also happened to suit DL.

On Monday SJL initially arranged to go to the PoW after work. Then a 6pm second-viewing request came in. This was more important, so she rang the pub back and postponed the pickup to just "later". CV's recollections a year later of calls to the pub that afternoon are misrecollections of various conversations he had the following day.

When she left the office, she did not go to 37SR. No trace of her (e.g. her fingerprints) has been confirmed to have been found there. If she went inside with her killer, he could perhaps have avoided touching anything, but someone had to open doors and touch handles and switches. There's no sign she did.

So, as she never went inside 37SR, the woman exiting it via the front door whom HR saw cannot have been her. That identification, and the other "sightings" of her there, originated entirely with the police, or with people coached via TV to echo the police account. HR actually saw SF and MG, who went in and out some hours later, using the keys that SJL did not take. Although he never claimed he had seen SJL, HR's grossly misleading account provided him with years of excitement and attention, provided it kept changing according to what he was being asked to confirm. So the good-looking late-20s Mr Kipper he first described became a podgy 44-year-old Belgian diamond dealer when HR was later shown a photo of one. The sketch of "Mr Kipper" is most likely just a generic 80s yuppie estate agent, such as her boss.

Instead, she went elsewhere by arrangement, with someone she knew (i.e. the BW sighting in FPR is quite likely correct). She was led inside a nearby property - perhaps on the pretence that a sale instruction might be up for grabs - where she was attacked and at some point killed.

The property was one of which the killer had free run - a rented house or ground-floor flat, perhaps abutting waste ground; maybe a house the killer had bought and was converting into flats. The killer next ditched her car at about 4pm; the sightings of her car outside 123SR before then are all spurious. He then went back to that property. She may still have been alive at this point. She is probably under a floor or a patio somewhere in west London; Ladbroke Grove, Shepherds Bush - somewhere like that. If you take up the floorboards of a house built 100 years or more ago, you will find a space under the floor, and then the dirt it was built on, a couple of feet below. Some such houses have hatches let into the floor so you can inspect water pipes etc underneath without taking up the floor.

The property passed soon after into others' hands, its condition unremarkable. The current occupants know nothing.

The initial police inquiry failed because it focused on identifying everyone SJL knew who was in Fulham that afternoon. This did not work for three simple reasons. One, they did not remotely identify everyone she knew, due to how she compartmentalised her acquaintances. Two, she herself wasn't in Fulham that afternoon. Three, they had asserted - in advance of knowing the facts - that she went to Shorrolds. Consequently, anyone who might have thought they had seen her anywhere else would have been put off reporting this, because it couldn't have been her.

The second inquiry failed because its ToR were to implicate or exonerate Cannan, to which end JD solicited sightings by the public of Cannan, fourteen years ex post. Its approach was to repeat the previous investigation, with Cannan lobbed in as a suspect. Once it reached the same conclusion about everyone in Fulham as the first investigation, and having prompted a lot of spurious coached "sightings" of Cannan, that only left Cannan, so QED; he must have done it. This, of course, fails the Ronald McDonald test (but is consistent with contemporary police procedure, e.g. Rachel Nickell, Jill Dando). Cannan had nothing to do with it, which is why zero evidence against him has ever emerged.

I have no idea who the killer was. It was someone she knew well enough to go off with alone, who had access to empty property she would enter without demur, who needed to kill her, and who he knew in advance he was going to do so and planned accordingly. The motive for killing her could be her knowledge of some sort of property fraud; his jealousy of not being the only man she was sleeping with; rage at the money she'd cost him by welshing on a deal (if there's a TS connection); or simply a need to avoid prosecution after raping her.

Purely MOO but aligns with or explains pretty well all the known facts...
i disagree. i think HR did see suzy and mr kipper that day. MG went to the address looking for suzy, and HR must have said, are you looking for a couple, to which MG would have said yes, iam, one of my staff came here to meet a client, and she has not returned. HR then told MG about the couple he seen around 1pm. this had to have been SJL and mr kipper.
 
i doubt the property details would be displayed in the window on a sunday.

Usually in London estate agents, the 'for sale' property details are displayed on fixed boards in the window so that anyone passing can inspect them and inquire. It used to be the habit of estate agents to also keep them on display with a 'sold' sticker over the top for a little while, I think so as to indicate their success and reassure potential vendors.
 
I Guess someone saw SJL near her car while they were on a *advertiser censored* break or collecting their lunch but they dismissed the sighting as a lookalike
 
Usually in London estate agents, the 'for sale' property details are displayed on fixed boards in the window so that anyone passing can inspect them and inquire. It used to be the habit of estate agents to also keep them on display with a 'sold' sticker over the top for a little while, I think so as to indicate their success and reassure potential vendors.
its interesting learning how estate agents work. knowing how suzy did her job.
 
So here's my hypothesis as to what happened.

SJL slept with others while she was with AL, including while he was on holiday. When he got back, instead of the expected ecstatic reunion sex he was looking forward to on the Friday, she blanked him. He did not see her on Friday, nor on the Saturday (when she possibly copped off with someone else), nor on Sunday when she went to the coast (he followed) and back (he followed) without him. This is not how you conduct yourself towards your sole bloke whom you've not seen for 2 weeks. He got the firm elbow on Sunday evening at the PoW, after she had pointedly ignored him all weekend.

Her anxiety to get the diary back was because if the pub somehow had it, it meant AL did not, as it contained stuff she did not need him to know. The items were lost there on the Sunday, not Friday, otherwise it could not have been CV who found it.

AL's self-contradictory accounts of the last weekend (telling a TV doc he and SJL went to the PoW on Friday, telling DV he'd never been there) were to save face; to suggest that he and SJL were still a thing (a recent split would be troublesome to explain to LE given she had just disappeared); and fortuitously, to support the impression of SJL that also happened to suit DL.

On Monday SJL initially arranged to go to the PoW after work. Then a 6pm second-viewing request came in. This was more important, so she rang the pub back and postponed the pickup to just "later". CV's recollections a year later of calls to the pub that afternoon are misrecollections of various conversations he had the following day.

When she left the office, she did not go to 37SR. No trace of her (e.g. her fingerprints) has been confirmed to have been found there. If she went inside with her killer, he could perhaps have avoided touching anything, but someone had to open doors and touch handles and switches. There's no sign she did.

So, as she never went inside 37SR, the woman exiting it via the front door whom HR saw cannot have been her. That identification, and the other "sightings" of her there, originated entirely with the police, or with people coached via TV to echo the police account. HR actually saw SF and MG, who went in and out some hours later, using the keys that SJL did not take. Although he never claimed he had seen SJL, HR's grossly misleading account provided him with years of excitement and attention, provided it kept changing according to what he was being asked to confirm. So the good-looking late-20s Mr Kipper he first described became a podgy 44-year-old Belgian diamond dealer when HR was later shown a photo of one. The sketch of "Mr Kipper" is most likely just a generic 80s yuppie estate agent, such as her boss.

Instead, she went elsewhere by arrangement, with someone she knew (i.e. the BW sighting in FPR is quite likely correct). She was led inside a nearby property - perhaps on the pretence that a sale instruction might be up for grabs - where she was attacked and at some point killed.

The property was one of which the killer had free run - a rented house or ground-floor flat, perhaps abutting waste ground; maybe a house the killer had bought and was converting into flats. The killer next ditched her car at about 4pm; the sightings of her car outside 123SR before then are all spurious. He then went back to that property. She may still have been alive at this point. She is probably under a floor or a patio somewhere in west London; Ladbroke Grove, Shepherds Bush - somewhere like that. If you take up the floorboards of a house built 100 years or more ago, you will find a space under the floor, and then the dirt it was built on, a couple of feet below. Some such houses have hatches let into the floor so you can inspect water pipes etc underneath without taking up the floor.

The property passed soon after into others' hands, its condition unremarkable. The current occupants know nothing.

The initial police inquiry failed because it focused on identifying everyone SJL knew who was in Fulham that afternoon. This did not work for three simple reasons. One, they did not remotely identify everyone she knew, due to how she compartmentalised her acquaintances. Two, she herself wasn't in Fulham that afternoon. Three, they had asserted - in advance of knowing the facts - that she went to Shorrolds. Consequently, anyone who might have thought they had seen her anywhere else would have been put off reporting this, because it couldn't have been her.

The second inquiry failed because its ToR were to implicate or exonerate Cannan, to which end JD solicited sightings by the public of Cannan, fourteen years ex post. Its approach was to repeat the previous investigation, with Cannan lobbed in as a suspect. Once it reached the same conclusion about everyone in Fulham as the first investigation, and having prompted a lot of spurious coached "sightings" of Cannan, that only left Cannan, so QED; he must have done it. This, of course, fails the Ronald McDonald test (but is consistent with contemporary police procedure, e.g. Rachel Nickell, Jill Dando). Cannan had nothing to do with it, which is why zero evidence against him has ever emerged.

I have no idea who the killer was. It was someone she knew well enough to go off with alone, who had access to empty property she would enter without demur, who needed to kill her, and who he knew in advance he was going to do so and planned accordingly. The motive for killing her could be her knowledge of some sort of property fraud; his jealousy of not being the only man she was sleeping with; rage at the money she'd cost him by welshing on a deal (if there's a TS connection); or simply a need to avoid prosecution after raping her.

Purely MOO but aligns with or explains pretty well all the known facts...
suzy could have been taken to a lock up garage or storage unit that you can rent. it would not have to be a house. the black panther, donald neilson was thinking of renting a lock up when planning the kidnapping of leslie whittle, and this made me think about suzy lamplugh, and where she was taken to.
 
Very well put. The police focused on wrong un John Cannan and haven’t wavered from their belief that he’s guilty.
Interestingly just one week before Suzy disappeared a women was abducted from Fulham and raped by “The Richmond Rapist”.
The identikit produced by this unfortunate women is almost identical to the 2nd identikit produced of the Shorrolds Road “Mr Kipper”.
However, having said that, it probably looks like thousands of men, so not really helpful.
During the same time period another women was raped in the toilets at Putney Bridge underground station.
The photofit produced looks nothing like the Richmond Rapist or Mr Kipper. This just goes to show that the police focusing on John Cannan clearly doesn’t cover all lines of enquiry.
Unless John Cannan was the Richmond Rapist, if so, why didn’t the police put him in a ID parade and prove his guilt.
IMO they hadn’t linked him to any of these crimes at the time.
yes, 2 women a week are killed by there partner in the UK, yet, they are always being warned about stranger danger.
 
yes, 2 women a week are killed by there partner in the UK, yet, they are always being warned about stranger danger.
6,000 people are missing in the UK, and the unidentified remains, whole or partial, of nearly another 1,000 have been found. The latter are not a subset of the former. So that's 7,000 people who've disappeared and 1,000 of those nobody's even reported having gone missing.

Not every sex crime in the 1980s was committed by John Cannan.

Cannan's in Full Sutton prison. There are limited stats on this online but it appears nobody was released from there in Q4_2022. The information is made public four months after the fact and of course no names are given....
 
6,000 people are missing in the UK, and the unidentified remains, whole or partial, of nearly another 1,000 have been found. The latter are not a subset of the former. So that's 7,000 people who've disappeared and 1,000 of those nobody's even reported having gone missing.

Not every sex crime in the 1980s was committed by John Cannan.

Cannan's in Full Sutton prison. There are limited stats on this online but it appears nobody was released from there in Q4_2022. The information is made public four months after the fact and of course no names are what
 
have you read DV book finding suzy, if so, what do you think of his theory.
 
have you read DV book finding suzy, if so, what do you think of his theory.
It was reading his book that brought me here.

I think he has accurately identified a number of flaws in the police approach that completely wrecked any prospect of a successful investigation. The initial inquiry was lackadaisical because the force in question had just done a big fraud bust and had 40 odd arrestees to process, so little happened that week. The officers investigating went immediately to a press announcement that SJL had been seen outside 37SR before they'd interviewed anybody other than the neighbour to corroborate this. The neighbour retracted part of his story, then later identified - as a dead ringer for the 25-30 year old Mr Kipper - a 44-year-old man who looks nothing like the famous sketch. It's unclear if she even had the keys and if she did It's unclear she ever went inside because AFAICR there has never been any sign of her inside ( eg fingerprints). The early insistence that she was abducted in Fulham ensured that sightings of her elsewhere either never came in or were ignored. In particular, the investigation never established where her car went between 12.40 and 10pm.

The PoW should have been searched the same day or the next, but there's no real evidence she went there, only that she intended to. Her complex personal life and extra-Sturgis dealings do not seem to have been properly understood either.

The case against JC is completely feeble based on what is out there. There may be more against him than we know but if so it can only have come from other lags snitching on him. You have to wonder what such information is worth, especially years after the fact. If someone had grassed him up in 1986, perhaps it might have enabled some actual evidence to be gathered.
 
have you read DV book finding suzy, if so, what do you think of his theory.
The book (IMO) is interesting and as WestLondoner has pointed out it highlights the police failings very well.
However, unless DV has more than is in the book there’s really no actual evidence to back up his conclusions.
On the JC track, (if you have access to old newspapers) check out The Richmond Rapist story, he kidnapped a women in Fulham roughly one week before SJL disappeared.
It’s very like JC’s MO, however, if memory serves the car used was a black Ford Capri.
While JC had access to a red Ford Sierra, he may have accessed other vehicles.
IMO it’s almost certain that the police wouldn’t have linked JC to either of these crimes, he wasn’t on their radar in July 86.
 
This appears to reflect the attitude at the time and could easily be applied to other cases.
 
From the mail article, he was living a life of crime whilst at the bail hostel, seriously !!

Cannan was out on licence from prison when Suzy disappeared. He’d previously been jailed for a total of eight years for raping a pregnant woman in front of her own mother and toddler, plus two robberies. In the months leading up to July 1986, he was living at a bail hostel next to Wormwood Scrubs prison in Shepherd’s Bush and allowed out on day release to work at a theatrical props company in nearby Acton. He was also able to travel to Bristol at weekends to visit his various lovers.

Away from the hostel, he dressed in sharp suits and posed as a successful businessman when in reality he funded his life via petty theft and chequebook fraud.
 
From the mail article, he was living a life of crime whilst at the bail hostel, seriously !!

Cannan was out on licence from prison when Suzy disappeared. He’d previously been jailed for a total of eight years for raping a pregnant woman in front of her own mother and toddler, plus two robberies. In the months leading up to July 1986, he was living at a bail hostel next to Wormwood Scrubs prison in Shepherd’s Bush and allowed out on day release to work at a theatrical props company in nearby Acton. He was also able to travel to Bristol at weekends to visit his various lovers.

Away from the hostel, he dressed in sharp suits and posed as a successful businessman when in reality he funded his life via petty theft and chequebook fraud.
well we know where the checkbook fraud might be linked to Suzy - didn't she lose her chequebook at the pub?
 
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