UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #6

[su5ie]

These are just the pages in AS book that mention the property deal and the business deal

 

[su5ie]

It seems even LE at the start suspected it was to do with the property deal

 

[WestLondoner]

In the AS book .it talks about her parents wondering what to do with her flat it was not selling previous to her disappearance. And after a couple of months the parents cleared the flat of suzy's belongings it mentions the sale of the flat was to be 74000 and this only covered the banks .
AFAIK it does not state if this was including interest gathered over the months suzy was missing

It could very well be just bank interest. Mortgage rates at the beginning of 1986 were about 12%, and back then, you did not have the flexibility you have now to switch to a better rate. If we go with my guess above that SJL's mortgage was about £55,000, then after two years' payments at 12% she would still have owed over £54,000 on the mortgage.

The monthly payments at 12% would have been £579, so if as seems likely these stopped after July, after six or seven months the missed payments would have added up to about £4,000. That is, she would have owed more than than she originally borrowed. 12% mortgage rates were brutal like that.

For my own interest, I worked out what her monthly income would have looked like if she were on £16,000 (good money for a 25-year-old in 1986). Her mortgage would have been tax-deductible and her personal allowance would have been £2,335, so at 29% basic rate and the then NI structure, she'd have had just over £3,000 a year stopped, leaving her just under £1,100 a month. Deduct the mortgage of £580 and that left her under £500 a month to live on. Out of that, she'd have had to find utilities, rates, service charges etc, before paying for food, clothing etc.

The expensed car must thus have been pretty valuable to her, as must the lodger's contribution.

I think the Sturgis sign was a rendezvous point and a car phone could have been used to say the person had arrived

It's possible but car phones were very expensive and very erratic in 1986, plus they left a trail as they still do.

She was also depending on the alleged 3000 commission

The £3,000 was almost certainly just her normal sales commission. Agents typically then charged 2% of the sale price and the individual EAs got 15% of the 2%. For SJL to be due £3,000, all she needed to have done was sell about a million quid of property, which is to say about six 37SRs or so. Sturgis would get £20,000 and she'd get 15% of that.

To put it another way, we don't need to posit a mysterious non-Sturgis deal as the only possible source of this £3,000.

 

[Konstantin]

For my own interest, I worked out what her monthly income would have looked like if she were on £16,000 (good money for a 25-year-old in 1986). Her mortgage would have been tax-deductible and her personal allowance would have been £2,335, so at 29% basic rate and the then NI structure, she'd have had just over £3,000 a year stopped, leaving her just under £1,100 a month. Deduct the mortgage of £580 and that left her under £500 a month to live on. Out of that, she'd have had to find utilities, rates, service charges etc, before paying for food, clothing etc.

This is possibly why the police thought that she might have been getting extra income by "tomming it" because they thought her lifestyle did not match her income. But her parents believed that she was merely very good at managing her money (and there was no evidence of her being an escort, which is a bit of an extreme and sexist conclusion).

It's very likely that as an attractive young woman, SJL had a lot of men willing to take her out. Some were probably wealthy. If she had relationships with them, that's her business and not escorting. I can see why her mother would not have liked any of that, and wanted to cling to the idea that SJL was in a steady monogamous relationship with her nice boyfriend, AL.

 

[WestLondoner]

Indeed. Realistically her fixed outgoings - water, gas, electricity, phone, rates, flat service charges, life / home contents insurance (the former often a condition of a mortgage) - were going to eat quite some way into her < £500. I don't remember what I paid for gas and electricity in the 80s, but do I remember the phone was £30 a month and my rates were £45. When mortgage rates went up to 15% in 1989, my disposable income after all the above, plus food, car costs and commuting to work, fell to 0.67% of the gross. That is, I was on £24,000 a year and after unavoidable costs I had £160 to spend - £13 a month.

One way of making ends meet would be to four-time your boyfriend. At any given time you'd have one or two with whom it was early days who could be induced to pay for everything, and one or two who'd settled in and were starting to think you ought to go dutch now with them and then. The latter would be eased out in favour of replacements who were more like the former. This process could be continuous.

Making this work would require scrupulous compartmentalisation of your life and a steady throughput of new suitors.

 

[Konstantin]

One way of making ends meet would be to four-time your boyfriend. At any given time you'd have one or two with whom it was early days who could be induced to pay for everything, and one or two who'd settled in and were starting to think you ought to go dutch now with them and then. The latter would be eased out in favour of replacements who were more like the former. This process could be continuous.

SJL asked her mother, according to the unreliable narrator DL, whether she should marry for love or money. It was on her mind. She had a busy social life. I imagine her pocket diary was crucial to remembering all those numbers, dates, etc. And a jealous suitor who wanted to know where he stood with her might well want a look at it. Whether that was anything to do with her abduction is obviously just speculation.

 

[Cherwell]

This is possibly why the police thought that she might have been getting extra income by "tomming it" because they thought her lifestyle did not match her income.

Possibly because of her previous employment as a beautician and masseuse. They probably thought she had a sideline in massage with happy endings or more.

 

[su5ie]

SJL asked her mother, according to the unreliable narrator DL, whether she should marry for love or money. It was on her mind. She had a busy social life. I imagine her pocket diary was crucial to remembering all those numbers, dates, etc. And a jealous suitor who wanted to know where he stood with her might well want a look at it. Whether that was anything to do with her abduction is obviously just speculation.

DL certainly came across as believing suzy should marry for status and money considering her judgment and actions taken in leiu of any boyfriend that didn't meet her standards such as her great plan of sending suzy to America to off load a boyfriend deemed not good enough .it shows you the lengths she was willing to go it didn't matter that the boyfriend was good to suzy only that he be seen as good enough for a certain cohort of society

I would love to know what was taken out of AS book . What I wouldn't do to get my hands on the original drafts . (Evil laugh)

 

[WestLondoner]

If I had to guess, it would be about the four-timing and / or married men. As Martin Clunes' character Gary once memorably put it in Men Behaving Badly, "If God had meant blokes to be faithful to one bird, He wouldn't have invented other birds".

 

[su5ie]

If I had to guess, it would be about the four-timing and / or married men. As Martin Clunes' character Gary once memorably put it in Men Behaving Badly, "If God had meant blokes to be faithful to one bird, He wouldn't have invented other birds".

I remember this episode such laughs that programme gave me .

 

[Konstantin]

If I had to guess, it would be about the four-timing and / or married men. As Martin Clunes' character Gary once memorably put it in Men Behaving Badly, "If God had meant blokes to be faithful to one bird, He wouldn't have invented other birds".

Maybe that is what DL objected to AS writing about, so he didn't.

 

[Officer Dibble]

This is possibly why the police thought that she might have been getting extra income by "tomming it" because they thought her lifestyle did not match her income. But her parents believed that she was merely very good at managing her money (and there was no evidence of her being an escort, which is a bit of an extreme and sexist conclusion).

It's very likely that as an attractive young woman, SJL had a lot of men willing to take her out. Some were probably wealthy. If she had relationships with them, that's her business and not escorting. I can see why her mother would not have liked any of that, and wanted to cling to the idea that SJL was in a steady monogamous relationship with her nice boyfriend, AL.

I knew someone who had a sugar daddy in the mid eighties. You wouldn't have guessed this though had you not known. Posh sounding young woman in her mid twenties.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I knew someone who had a sugar daddy in the mid eighties. You wouldn't have guessed this though had you not known. Posh sounding young woman in her mid twenties.

and now I come to think of it, I guess there are lot of rich older men on cruise boats. JMO MOO

 

[lee sumner]

FIO I bought a one bedroom flat in 1984 for 24k (new build so premium) and sold in 1986 for 35k. This was in Sussex so not even London prices.

thanks for info. iam a manchester lad, but i know london prices can be sky high.

 

[lee sumner]

In the AS book .it talks about her parents wondering what to do with her flat it was not selling previous to her disappearance. And after a couple of months the parents cleared the flat of suzy's belongings it mentions the sale of the flat was to be 74000 and this only covered the banks .
AFAIK it does not state if this was including interest gathered over the months suzy was missing or if her parents had paid the mortgage in the intervening months I would have to go back and check .
I read an article or watched an interview I think I linked it before Her dad was speaking about why suzy was selling up and hoping to move into a new property . Apparently she had spoke to him about this business deal on the Sunday [AS book] A business man was putting forward the money for the new property and the man allegedly only wanted to use it for post

. Suzy was disheartened by her flat not selling and was anxious enough to confide in her dad about the deal and was thinking of taking her own flat off the market . She was also supposed to set up a beauty parlour business with PSS with TS the husband (NOT POI) putting up the money for this business venture. He went bankrupt shortly after suzy went missing and it was listed in the courts August 1986
suzy was only to get 10% of the profits of the business venture very little imo if she was supposedly to do all the work I wonder if there was a flat above the proposed business property if this is where suzy was supposed to move and part of the business deal . AS doesn't specify and although it seems like two separate things I wonder was it part of the same deal .Suzy realised she didn't want to go back into the beauty business and was allegedly backing out .

With TS going bankrupt shortly after suzy went missing one would have to wonder if someone else was putting the money up for him to buy the business so money laundering so to speak . TS was in the building industry too ( access to concrete graves moo) . This is why in MOO I feel suzys disappearance is connected to this deal and prehaps was why she was never found prehaps if whoever was backing this deal was a shady character and suzy knew to much .The business deal is imo shady and suzy did feel pressured and was planning on backing out maybe suzy's part of the deal was depended on and if she didn't go ahead with it too many pieces fell apart .This is all my opinion and speculation on my part .I feel suzy knew who she was meeting that Monday I feel it was urgent enough to do something allegedly out of character create a false appointment although we don't know if she done it before and this time unfortunately it was the last time .I think the Sturgis sign was a rendezvous point and a car phone could have been used to say the person had arrived if she was lying about the appointment she could easily pretend she was speaking to someone else on the phone .I can't understand in one breath saying suzy was such a good reliable,kind ,open person to she was allegedly secretive and snuck around with married men. It's like a duality like so much else in this case confusing.

She was also depending on the alleged 3000 commission and maybe the anxiety was not for the diary but the cheque book as a means to pay a compensation as such smooth over the person for letting them down MOO

yes, it makes you wonder what the hell was going on in her life. SL was a mystery herself.

 

[lee sumner]

DL certainly came across as believing suzy should marry for status and money considering her judgment and actions taken in leiu of any boyfriend that didn't meet her standards such as her great plan of sending suzy to America to off load a boyfriend deemed not good enough .it shows you the lengths she was willing to go it didn't matter that the boyfriend was good to suzy only that he be seen as good enough for a certain cohort of society

I would love to know what was taken out of AS book . What I wouldn't do to get my hands on the original drafts . (Evil laugh)

same here. i have always been curious to what it was AS left out of his book regarding suzy. i wonder what she did. i dont think it was anything sinister, but yes, i would love to know.

 

[su5ie]

same here. i have always been curious to what it was AS left out of his book regarding suzy. i wonder what she did. i dont think it was anything sinister, but yes, i would love to know.

A lot of what is known about suzy in the public domain is a carefully managed version. Normally in a missing person's case I'm of the agreement that the ins and outs of the persons life should remain private . However in my opinion and even if Cannan is the culprit, Suzys disappearance has something to do with her engaging in multiple relationships and the secrecy that entailed .These were not casual one night stands . These involved a very entangled love life . This kind of stuff unfortunately Normally catches up with you whether your a man or a woman . Whoever did this wanted to make sure she wasn't found , It is rare in an abduction of an adult that forensically nothing is found but to be clinically free from any trace of her or her abductor tells me it was someone known to her .

In AS book three things jump out at me regarding witnesses . MG is asked by DL did you check 37SR he replied inside and out ,take from that what you will
Secondly Sturgis office had no wall clock how did they all know what time suzy left the office or was it group think .
Thirdly WJ walked her dog at 12.40 left him back at the house 123SR knocked in to neighbour, both drove to bank ,Ms mahon is taking so long at cash desk she is anxious for waiting customers, glances at clock it's 12.49 . If HR has holes in his statement these two do to as they sure as he'll got a lot done in 9 minutes

 

[lee sumner]

A lot of what is known about suzy in the public domain is a carefully managed version. Normally in a missing person's case I'm of the agreement that the ins and outs of the persons life should remain private . However in my opinion and even if Cannan is the culprit, Suzys disappearance has something to do with her engaging in multiple relationships and the secrecy that entailed .These were not casual one night stands . These involved a very entangled love life . This kind of stuff unfortunately Normally catches up with you whether your a man or a woman . Whoever did this wanted to make sure she wasn't found , It is rare in an abduction of an adult that forensically nothing is found but to be clinically free from any trace of her or her abductor tells me it was someone known to her .

In AS book three things jump out at me regarding witnesses . MG is asked by DL did you check 37SR he replied inside and out ,take from that what you will
Secondly Sturgis office had no wall clock how did they all know what time suzy left the office or was it group think .
Thirdly WJ walked her dog at 12.40 left him back at the house 123SR knocked in to neighbour, both drove to bank ,Ms mahon is taking so long at cash desk she is anxious for waiting customers, glances at clock it's 12.49 . If HR has holes in his statement these two do to as they sure as he'll got a lot done in 9 minutes

you are spot on. WJ and mrs mahon, there timings dont make sense. this is why i never believed WJ statement. there is no way they could do all that in 9 mins.

 

[lee sumner]

Definitely agree with the Streisand effect ,don't see anything remarkable suzys love life . I suppose if you want to nitpick prehaps the only judgement I would pass is sleeping with married men .While we don't know if this is gospel or what stories of woe were being spun by these men to suzy . This would portray more of a negative image of suzy at the time and I can understand any mother not wanting that revealed but a young woman keeping her options open in the dating world was normalish for the time .women for most parts were moving away from the expected housewife role and becoming career focused .

I also can imagine if a conviction and trail had happened DL would have seen to it that it was private behind close doors and tried to sue any newspaper that tried to publish the finer details. Seems DLs image was much more important and as Cherwell states typical behaviour of the narcissist. Its all about them and no one else matters even a missing daughter

 

[lee sumner]

then there is SL sister TL who stayed on holiday for another 2 weeks despite the fact that SL was missing. not being critical, but if my sister was missing presumed abducted, i would have been on the first plane home. iam not having a go, i just thought it was strange she did not come home sooner. she also had letters written by suzy that detectives needed to read ASAP to see if any clues lay there.