GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #4

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In my opinion, re: facial expressions, based on photos I've seen in the media/google etc.,

CS = caution, control

SH = acceptance, resignation, sadness

DS = thoughtfulness, reserve

DN = expectancy, worry, high alert

NS = blankness


Here's a site which professes to show various facial expressions. You can choose the expression then click the model to begin and click again to halt

http://www.faceturn.com/depressed/index.php


Here now are google images for CS

https://encrypted.google.com/search...AWP8oHgAg&sqi=2&ved=0CFYQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=599


This video's interesting, imo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...tepfather-praise-community-search-effort.html


Interesting facial expressions here within photos
And the first portion of the video. Maybe the family had been out searching prior to the video, but if not, why the anger with media and why whining about 'find my little girl' before going inside and closing the door while hundreds were out there trying to find her?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-12-Come-home-your-dinners-still-in-oven.html


Those I've seen in similar positions have had a deep 'V' between the brows and their eyes have usually been set deep as if haunted by thoughts to horrible to bear

The only person who's evidenced that sort of anxiety, fear, worry - imo - has been Tia's biological father

Maybe the rest of the family are simply more sanguine
 
opalsqueak63 said:
Hi - have I got my days mixed up: According to DN, Tia was expected home by 6pm on Thursday and then went to SH/CS place. If so, why did Tia stay overnight at SH/CS Thursday night if she was expected home at her mother and DN's place by 6pm? When did that plan change? It was Friday night that Tia was expected home by 6pm at SH/CS place.

On Thursday, Tia met SH and then went to the co-op where the CCTV image we have seen came from. Do we know for certain that Tia actually went to SH/CS place on the Thursday? On that afternoon, CS would have been in bed sleeping prior to a nightshift. Why did SH make Tia pizza for dinner when she was expected back at ther other home by 6pm? Do we only have SH's word that he and Tia came back to the house on Thursday and were in all night.

Have I got that right - sorry - my head is spinning a bit.
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I thought it was reported that the Wednesday night to Thursday morning she stayed at NS/DN's place and a mate stopped over, traipsed over to gran's during the day (Thursday), despite the fact gran had gone to work, stayed at New Addington for the night, and then went missing from Friday noon. For some reason I had it in my head the cctv footage was taken around 4.00pm on the Thursday afternoon, but can't find this in the press now.

My head is spinning too.

Yes, it is feasible that she could have been expected to be back at NS/DN's 6.00pm on Thursday evening, but that conflicts with her stopping overnight at grans Thursday night to Friday morning, and the whole pizza and chips for tea scenario (which would have been Thursday evening). A quick phone call to say Tia's staying over would explain the same clothing, if it was an impromptu stopover: and kids do change their minds.
 
Saturn said:
I thought it was reported that the Wednesday night to Thursday morning she stayed at NS/DN's place and a mate stopped over, traipsed over to gran's during the day (Thursday), despite the fact gran had gone to work, stayed at New Addington for the night, and then went missing from Friday noon. For some reason I had it in my head the cctv footage was taken around 4.00pm on the Thursday afternoon, but can't find this in the press now.

My head is spinning too.
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The cctv footage is taken around 4pm on Thursday
 
SallyLu said:
I couldn't recall who it was. Thank you Adorabella.

MOO. For my money I think we're making it too complicated. MOO.

TS may have been acting cheeky. SH might have been on something or maybe withdrawing from something and things got out of hand.

Only problem I have with my thoughts is - wouldn't it then be a charge of manslaughter and not murder?
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SH may well plead manslaughter (or not guilty)
 
Skigh said:
Thank you for this.

I remember a more detailed one where he talked about her going shopping in Croydon for flipflops and also mentioning her phone being -I do not think he said broken - (I do not recall what word he said- ) and borrowing her mothers. It appeared to be a sudden thing from what he said
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BBM

I've seen it mentioned elsewhere, but this what a search pulled up:

DCI Nick Scola of the Specialist Crime and Investigations Unit [said]

“We know Tia was using her mum’s mobile phone as hers is broken, but she left it at her grandmother’s house.
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http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/...ch_for_missing_schoolgirl_enters_third_night/
 
opalsqueak63 said:
Hi - have I got my days mixed up: According to DN, Tia was expected home by 6pm on Thursday and then went to SH/CS place. If so, why did Tia stay overnight at SH/CS Thursday night if she was expected home at her mother and DN's place by 6pm? When did that plan change? It was Friday night that Tia was expected home by 6pm at SH/CS place.

On Thursday, Tia met SH and then went to the co-op where the CCTV image we have seen came from. Do we know for certain that Tia actually went to SH/CS place on the Thursday? On that afternoon, CS would have been in bed sleeping prior to a nightshift. Why did SH make Tia pizza for dinner when she was expected back at ther other home by 6pm? Do we only have SH's word that he and Tia came back to the house on Thursday and were in all night.

Have I got that right - sorry - my head is spinning a bit.
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it's confusing opalsqueak. From what some of us believe going from the various reporting, Tia was going back to Mitcham on Thursday evening. DN at some point claimed he said goodbye to her and said 'see you at 6'. This was after he said she'd had a friend to stay the night.

At some point, Tia must have decided to stay at Gran's instead. Maybe she called to say she was coming over? The pizza and chips Tia apparently ate that night (Thursday) was cooked by SH. Later, CS said she'd put her dinner - pizza and chips - in the oven on Friday and couldn't bear to take it out till she came home. CS couldn't have meant she put it in the oven the night before because she was working a night shift as a carer. I think it was mentioned that the uneaten pizza and chips could have been left over from the night before, a meal that Tia never got to eat.
 
Laserdisc10 - that post is fascinating.

You said "Those I've seen in similar positions have had a deep 'V' between the brows and their eyes have usually been set deep as if haunted by thoughts to horrible to bear" - in my experience that is so true.

I find DS's facial expressions most strange - the pulled back to the side mouth thing that some people do when they are reciting a boring story about their day.
Thank you so much for posting this.

I'm afraid I find DS and DN deeply creepy.
 
opalsqueak63 said:
Hi - have I got my days mixed up: According to DN, Tia was expected home by 6pm on Thursday and then went to SH/CS place. If so, why did Tia stay overnight at SH/CS Thursday night if she was expected home at her mother and DN's place by 6pm? When did that plan change? It was Friday night that Tia was expected home by 6pm at SH/CS place.

On Thursday, Tia met SH and then went to the co-op where the CCTV image we have seen came from. Do we know for certain that Tia actually went to SH/CS place on the Thursday? On that afternoon, CS would have been in bed sleeping prior to a nightshift. Why did SH make Tia pizza for dinner when she was expected back at ther other home by 6pm? Do we only have SH's word that he and Tia came back to the house on Thursday and were in all night.

Have I got that right - sorry - my head is spinning a bit.
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Sorry - I'm still a bit behind. Was SH (or anyone else?) on the CCTV footage of Tia on the Thursday? Can anyone remember what time the footage was recorded? Thanks
 
soozieqtips said:
it's confusing opalsqueak. From what some of us believe going from the various reporting, Tia was going back to Mitcham on Thursday evening. DN at some point claimed he said goodbye to her and said 'see you at 6'. This was after he said she'd had a friend to stay the night.
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Sorry to jump in but TS was not expected back at DN/NS house on Friday 3rd. You were correct in your earlier post about it being sloppy reporting

“We are all just in bits,” he said.
“She’s a sweet little girl, she has never been in any trouble, she is a good girl - this just isn’t my little girl.”
He added: “She said she was going out to get some flip flops.
“Last time I saw her was on Thursday morning as I was going to work, she was asleep at the time.
“She went to her nan's that day and was going to come back on Monday.”
“We are at our wits end.”
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...l-12-disappears-on-way-to-buy-flip-flops.html
 
Skigh said:
Yet all the family appear to have been over board in their support for SH.

DN's story has changed from one that was very similar to SH's shopping for flip flops in croydon and being back at 6 to leaving work with Tia and a friend who

Tia, apparently to reports, had no bedroom and slept on the sofa in the sitting room with her possessions in carrier bags.
How likely is she to have had a friend over to stay the night ?
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V interesting. Where did you get the info re Tia's sleeping arrangements at home - was this reported in the press?
 
opalsqueak63 said:
Laserdisc10 - that post is fascinating.

You said "Those I've seen in similar positions have had a deep 'V' between the brows and their eyes have usually been set deep as if haunted by thoughts to horrible to bear" - in my experience that is so true.

I find DS's facial expressions most strange - the pulled back to the side mouth thing that some people so when they are reciting a boring story about their day.
Thank you so much for posting this.

I'm afraid I find DS and DN deeply creepy.
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Watching the video where DS is speaking to the media with DN to his side -- did you see a sort of eye-roll from DN towards the end - as if he were irritated by the fact DS is hogging the media and not giving him (DN) equal 'camera time' ? I'm not convinced DN is the full sandwich. The 'press conference' and impressions made on the media and audience appear to be uppermost in their minds rather than a genuine appeal for information about the missing child. Could be just my interpretation and incorrect

In one of the links, you see DN with NS and the candle. Eyebrows flat, expressionless (as NS's appear to be throughout until after the body has been discovered) and seeming 'scared' of the media. CS has the same scared look in many photos. Scared of the media, of 'lookers', 'watchers' -- of being 'seen through' ?

DN -- eyebrows flat, normal position

Then you look at the few photos of the biological father, shortly after the search began. He stares with such intensity at the camera while holding up the photo. It's as if he's trying to beam urgency about finding his daughter from his eyes, through the camera and into the skulls of the world at large
 
Clio said:
Sorry to jump in but TS was not expected back at DN/NS house on Friday 3rd. You were correct in your earlier post about it being sloppy reporting



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...l-12-disappears-on-way-to-buy-flip-flops.html
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I agree that reporting can be sloppy but DN's story has changed.

I have tried to google different phrases and I cannot find the pages that I know I remember reading.

I know It said about Tia going to Croydon to buy flip flops and him saying HE would see her at 6pm because I thought at the time SH had met her at the tram stop and made her change her mind and go back to CS's house

I know I remember thinking that is new when I read about the friend sleeping over.
 
Clio said:
I don't think both families expected TS home at 6 on Fri 3rd. DN was reporting what SH had said and the reporting was poor

From the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19159340

DN says
Quote:
When she left the house she shouted 'Bye' and 'See you by six'.
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So DN is saying that Tia said "see you by six". This is strange as she was not expected back at her own house that day, and if DN was talking on behalf of SH and referred to CS house, then he had it screwed up as SH is quoted as saying that he said to her "be back by six" and Tia just said yeah, yeah (or something like that.

I'm of the opinion that they got together and went over what they were going to say to the police and that six was the time they all decided as the expected time of Tia's return.
 
Skigh said:
I agree that reporting can be sloppy but DN's story has changed.

I have tried to google different phrases and I cannot find the pages that I know I remember reading.

I know It said about Tia going to Croydon to buy flip flops and him saying HE would see her at 6pm because I thought at the time SH had met her at the tram stop and made her change her mind and go back to CS's house

I know I remember thinking that is new when I read about the friend sleeping over.
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Because DN was paraphrasing what SH said
 
Lola68 said:
V interesting. Where did you get the info re Tia's sleeping arrangements at home - was this reported in the press?
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It was online I think regarding a report about an investigation about social sevices.
 
laserdisc10 said:
Watching the video where DS is speaking to the media with DN to his side -- did you see a sort of eye-roll from DN towards the end - as if he were irritated by the fact DS is hogging the media and not giving him (DN) equal 'camera time' ? yes

I'm not convinced DN is the full sandwich. no, and he comes across as a bad actor. The 'press conference' and impressions made on the media and audience appear to be uppermost in their minds rather than a genuine appeal for information about the missing child. Yes Could be just my interpretation and incorrect

In one of the links, you see DN with NS and the candle. Eyebrows flat, expressionless (as NS's appear to be throughout until after the body has been discovered) and seeming 'scared' of the media. CS has the same scared look in many photos. Scared of the media, of 'lookers', 'watchers' -- of being 'seen through' ? CS also has a defiant quality in some of the pictures where she has been unable to hide her face

DN -- eyebrows flat, normal position Yes indeed. Regarding people in crisis imagining what has happened/what will happen to a loved one - their eyebrows go down at the sides in a most remarkable way. You see the exact same faces in the relatives room in an intensive care unit. Tis is what I meant earlier about not crying - the critical pain and anticipation of horror that people are living through goes way beyond tears as you go through hour by hour. Same in an intensive care unit where they know a relative may die.

Then you look at the few photos of the biological father, shortly after the search began. He stares with such intensity at the camera while holding up the photo. It's as if he's trying to beam urgency about finding his daughter from his eyes, through the camera and into the skulls of the world at large
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Yes, what a contrast.
 
Clio said:
Because DN was paraphrasing what SH said
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Earlier in this thread I was so pleased 3 or more posters said they recalled DN in his earliest interviews saying they remembered it being DN saying it himself.
NOT just quoting SH.
 
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