GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #4

[Skigh]

BBM and probably not at age 12. I have a sister who is 12 going on 25 and I know for certain that she's not even interested in Bacardi Breezers yet. But, my family situation is very different too so I can't generalise.

In fact maybe someone like Tia would be more unlikely to experiment with drugs and drink because of the destruction she saw in her own family. And without wanting to start up rumourgate again apparently she was very aware of, and not happy with, those very problems.

This could start up rumour gate as posters will be interested in how you know this.Me included,so if you cannot share,it might be an idea to edit this out of your post.

 

[graceholl]

This could start up rumour gate as posters will be interested in how you know this.Me included,so if you cannot share,it might be an idea to edit this out of your post.

I'm happy to share it but am I allowed to? Also this came from another user who heard it - not myself. I believe it was posted here at some point - possibly removed. Shall I just delete it?

 

[Skigh]

I know, and I would have imagined that that was the case; just trying to think of any kind of reason as to how that body lay there for 8 days without being discovered, and by the sounds of it, not moved to its resting place either.

There seems no answer to this!!

I just do not think it was in their loft all that time.I wonder whether all lofts in the row could be reached. It would be useful for a drug dealer to have somewhere to hide drugs so gaps could have previously been made to access neighbouring houses.I wonder if all houses were occupied at the time ,a resident could have been away.
SH would be used to hiding things and possibly himself as well .I cannot see him hiding a body in full view in his own loft.
I think it was there after the wednesday search ready to be moved else where.

 

[Skigh]

I'm happy to share it but am I allowed to? Also this came from another user who heard it - not myself. I believe it was posted here at some point - possibly removed. Shall I just delete it?

Please share it.If it is not suitable a moderator will delete it.

 

[India99]

Actually, I think you might have something there! There was a media report on 11/8/12 which mentioned that SH had an alias which is actually the name of a specialist martial art. (The one that Bruce Lee designed - I won't name it here) All reference to that has been pulled from the internet now - the only trace that now exists is on another forum.

Several years ago, I worked with drug-addicted homeless young criminals for a while after they had been released from prison. I was amazed how many of them knew about, and could practice, advanced martial arts.

It is quite possible to kill somebody very easily and fast if you know what you are doing. If you have had a lot to drink say, and you lost your temper, if you employed certain techniques, you could kill someone without actually meaning to...

the media report you mention was actually quoting from a wikipedia page that i think somebody made up after TS went missing as was probably put on there as part of somebodys sick sense of humour

the wiki page no longer exists.

 

[Blue64]

Hi, I'm new here. Thanks to the lovely people at WS for sorting out my login problems.

I've followed all the posts re Tia Sharp.

I lived in a neighbourhood similar to New Addington for a while before I was lucky enough to be able to move out. My experience of these types of estates are that they are very close knit, people are very suspicious and openly distrustful of the police. Children in these areas are street smart and tough, and given much more freedom to roam than what I would declare as normal.

I suspected SH from day 1 of Tia being reported missing. I think people may be crediting him with far too much intelligence. I would suggest the simplest story is probably the most accurate. That he killed Tia and hid her body, perhaps with the help of CS.

I don't suspect that DS had any involvement. He was probably the most articulate of the family. PS stated in the paper that DS was going to bring Tia up to spend some holiday time with him and his daughter Danielle, so I think DS genuinely cared for Tia.

When SH gave his interview with the criminologist and got the fair location mixed up I think DS corrected him because SH and CS had told him the location they had looked at, rather than DS being complicit in lying about the fair.

Families, however tenuous the links (I.e. step parents, current partners, etc) tend to be thicker than thieves in areas like New Addington, and will defend them to stupid lengths. DS was probably just doing that when he defended SH online. He's probably feeling very very differently now.

I don't think NS and DN had any involvement and were probably kept out of the limelight by the police as they were not under any suspicion. The fact that NS has had several partners, SH, DN, another who was reported for assaulting her etc in Tia's lifetime is nothing unusual for that type of family either.
I feel extremely sorry that Tia appears to have had such a tough, transient life.

BiB I agree with that especially about involvement of NS and DN, I have been thinking about the behaviour of CS (should call her CB really, I read she was divorced 14 years ago and her then husband father of NS was angry she was still using his name but I digress) when she was hiding her face in the early days of the investigation/ dissapearence, I think she and SH are benefit cheats, she is either working cash in hand while signing on or claming DLA and SH is probably officialy the lodger and getting some or all of his rent and council tax paid, her car looks pretty new and I wonder if it's a motability car, I just couldnt understand the way she was acting when her supposed loved grandaughter was missing, hiding her face and then going to the shops for *advertiser censored* and washing powder, compare her behaviour to Joanna Yeates mum, it's almost as if you can see in CS's eyes that she is involved.

 

[Inge Jones]

I have been thinking about the behaviour of CS (should call her CB really, I read she was divorced 14 years ago and her then husband father of NS was angry she was still using his name but I digress)

I don't think she is using the name Sharp, she calls herself Bicknell on facebook. I think it's the media who have taken to referring to her as Sharp. Reading the ex-husband's reported comments it doesn't make it clear who he's annoyed at - it looked like he said something like "annoyed the name of Sharp has been associated with this woman"

 

[Skigh]

BiB I agree with that especially about involvement of NS and DN, I have been thinking about the behaviour of CS (should call her CB really, I read she was divorced 14 years ago and her then husband father of NS was angry she was still using his name but I digress) when she was hiding her face in the early days of the investigation/ dissapearence, I think she and SH are benefit cheats, she is either working cash in hand while signing on or claming DLA and SH is probably officialy the lodger and getting some or all of his rent and council tax paid, her car looks pretty new and I wonder if it's a motability car, I just couldnt understand the way she was acting when her supposed loved grandaughter was missing, hiding her face and then going to the shops for *advertiser censored* and washing powder, compare her behaviour to Joanna Yeates mum, it's almost as if you can see in CS's eyes that she is involved.

CS is working officially as a care worker for autistic children this is not a cash in hand type of job.
If she is able to do this type of job she would not qualify as disabled-well certainly not to the degree which would qualify her for a mobility car..
Sh is officially registered as living in the house as he is unemployed he will be receiving some sort of benefits.

 

[Inge Jones]

as he is unemployed he will be receiving some sort of benefits.

Not if he's run out of his 6 months national insurance-related jobseekers allowance. Whether he receives means-tested benefits or not will depend on the income of the entire household, taking into account anything she earns.

 

[kaos]

CS is working officially as a care worker for autistic children this is not a cash in hand type of job.
If she is able to do this type of job she would not qualify as disabled-well certainly not to the degree which would qualify her for a mobility car..
Sh is officially registered as living in the house as he is unemployed he will be receiving some sort of benefits.

Maybe that's the whole reason that she has multiple names along with the list of names of people who supposedly live there but don't i.e. DA, TS, & NS. She could have been claiming DLA for Tia as she's been described as being 'vulnerable' by the police.

 

[India99]

Not if he's run out of his 6 months national insurance-related jobseekers allowance. Whether he receives means-tested benefits or not will depend on the income of the entire household, taking into account anything she earns.

he would automatically change to means tested benefits after those 6 months have ended.

 

[squish]

Is the one responsible for the domestic violence incident David Niles, rather than some other bloke we don't know of? Didn't he say he'd been with NS for 8 years, and now they have two toddlers together? That would mean he was there between 2008-2011, when they were reported to social services.

 

[Skigh]

Is the one responsible for the domestic violence incident David Niles, rather than some other bloke we don't know of? Didn't he say he'd been with NS for 8 years, and now they have two toddlers together? That would mean he was there between 2008-2011, when they were reported to social services.

I read it as meaning DN,though I suppose it could be NS's brother or another relative.
The drugs could be either NS or DN or both of them.

 

[Inge Jones]

he would automatically change to means tested benefits after those 6 months have ended.

It's not automatic. You go through means-testing. Means testing means they add up what you have coming into the household. Including CB's income. You can't normally get means-tested benefits if one partner has a full-time job unless you have rather unusual expenses. They had no dependent children and no one was disabled.

 

[Skigh]

It's not automatic. You go through means-testing. Means testing means they add up what you have coming into the household. Including CB's income. You can't normally get means-tested benefits if one partner has a full-time job unless you have rather unusual expenses. They had no dependent children and no one was disabled.

SH sounds as if he would be quite financially reliant on CS unless he was supplementing his benefits(if any) with cash in hand jobs or other money making activities.

 

[kaos]

If they did ask someone to come and wait in the house I would have thought it would have been included in the story. There is no mention of them going around to neighbours.

Did they contact Natalie to see if she had returned to Merton when they first became worried .


No-one would leave the house empty when they were expecting someone to return.You would be hoping that any minute the person would return perhaps witing at the bus stop praying that she would get off,walking around the estate asking other children if they had seen her asking neighbours to help walk around.

Why not ask a friend to go around both local fairs to check.

There's no mention of them going to the neighbours at either CS or NS's house. You'd also certainly have expected them to contact the real father to establish if she'd ran away to his house before 1.15am on the Saturday morning.

the media report you mention was actually quoting from a wikipedia page that i think somebody made up after TS went missing as was probably put on there as part of somebodys sick sense of humour

the wiki page no longer exists.

It's still there under the view history page - 10th Aug 2012 @ 20.38. It does look like somebody's just made it up though.

 

[laniefi]

Some of you lovely people are much better human beings than I. I am struggling to find compassion for Gran.

I am certain she probably did love Tia but I cannot reconcile that with my belief she essentially served Tia up to her murderer on a silver platter. SH was allowed unrestricted, unchecked access to a 12 year old girl.

I am in the same spot you are...

I don't necessarily question Gran's HEART but her DECISIONS. I think one of these decisions cost Tia her life.

Gran's decisions:

Shacked up w/ her daughter's ex flame (SH)
Allowed SH into her home
Seemigly allowed SH alone w/ Tia

 

[laniefi]

P.S. I think SH was "important" to this family, but not as a "step-grandfather"

 

[India99]

It's not automatic. You go through means-testing. Means testing means they add up what you have coming into the household. Including CB's income. You can't normally get means-tested benefits if one partner has a full-time job unless you have rather unusual expenses. They had no dependent children and no one was disabled.

You have to fill out a new form - changes to your circumstances or something. Just go into your job centre and tell them you need a form to change form contribution based to income based and they'll give you the one you need. Once you've sent it off it will change over automatically (after a few letters of confirmation).

found that on google

obviously you would have to fill in a new form but it doesn't just stop, it just carries on as normal, same visits to the job centre etc.

 

[India99]

to be honest i really don't think it matters if somebody or nobody was fiddling the dole, so what, who cares if they were, it doesn't change the fact that the same thing would have happened .