UK UK - Worcestershire, Fem Skeletal 'Bella in the Wych Elm', Hagley Hall, Apr'43

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Who put Bella in the Wych-Elm? - The Untold Secrets. When human remains were found hidden in a hollow tree during WW2, one of the UK's greatest murder mysteries was born. This documentary explores Nazi Espionage, Witchcraft and the Supernatural in an attempt to finally piece together this sinister jigsaw puzzle.
 
Does anyone know if this tree is still there? Was it cut down? Or memorialized somehow? I can’t seem to find any information on the tree itself aside from old photographs.
 
A hollow tree isn't a healthy tree. Not only that, but Dutch Elm Disease killed off most of the elms in Britain during the 1960s. The odds of that tree still being there are miniscule.
 
This will never be solved without her bones.
I do not buy the spy theory, Clara Bäuerle actually was proven to have survived the war a long time.

I think the murdered prostitute theory has some substance to it (local rumors are often true) and it looks to me like she was raped on scene and the perpetrator gagged her with a piece of her underskirt. When she was dead, he hid her in the tree. The problem is she was skeletal and that is super difficult to determine a cause of death. That theory would also explain why nobody seemed to know anything about her except rumors and why nobody came forward who is missing her. It says the wedding ring was bogus, i wonder how they were able to determine that? Maybe in the 40s if a prostitute wanted to book a hotel room or is caught with a customer, she would try to get out of being charged for prostitition if she showed a ring and pretended she and the client were married to each other.
Or Bella was indeed married and in 1941, her husband was looking for her but the request did not survive.
Or the husband murdered her.
 
The problem is she was skeletal and that is super difficult to determine a cause of death.
JMO, but I'm thinking asphyxia, given the lack of any noticeable trauma. Perhaps she choked on that piece of underskirt in her throat/mouth. Maybe her killer didn't even intend to kill her, but rather only to gag her while he assaulted her.
 
Agree but she may have been strangled or technically stabbed.
I agree that possibly her death could have been accidental.
 
Graffiti reading 'who put bella in the witch elm' scrawled on a monument

Variations of the message scrawled on the wall in 1943 continue to pop up around Birmingham.

Four teenage boys were trespassing on an aristocrat's property when they found a human skull hidden in a tree.

WARNING: This article contains details readers might find distressing.

It was April 1943 and Britain was in the midst of World War II, enduring near-nightly air raids and tough food rationing.

The boys had crept onto the Hagley Estate in Worcestershire to hunt birds and raid their nests to help put food on the table.

But when Bob Farmer climbed into the creepy limbs of an elm tree, he realised that what he thought was an egg was actually a woman's head.

"There was a small patch of rotting flesh on the forehead, with lank hair attached to it. The two front teeth were crooked," he would later recall.

The terrified boys, fearing retribution for trespassing and uncovering a potential murder, made a pact of silence.

But the youngest boy could not keep the secret for long, confessing to his father what they found in the Hagley Woods.

Police descended on the property and found, in a hollow of a massive tree trunk, a woman's skeletal remains was hidden.

There were few clues for authorities to go on, except for some scraps of the woman's clothing and a fake gold wedding ring.

But the mystery took a strange turn when a message was scrawled on a wall in Birmingham in the middle of the night.

"Who put Bella down the wych elm?" it read.
 
Graffiti reading 'who put bella in the witch elm' scrawled on a monument'who put bella in the witch elm' scrawled on a monument

Variations of the message scrawled on the wall in 1943 continue to pop up around Birmingham.

Four teenage boys were trespassing on an aristocrat's property when they found a human skull hidden in a tree.

WARNING: This article contains details readers might find distressing.

It was April 1943 and Britain was in the midst of World War II, enduring near-nightly air raids and tough food rationing.

The boys had crept onto the Hagley Estate in Worcestershire to hunt birds and raid their nests to help put food on the table.

But when Bob Farmer climbed into the creepy limbs of an elm tree, he realised that what he thought was an egg was actually a woman's head.

"There was a small patch of rotting flesh on the forehead, with lank hair attached to it. The two front teeth were crooked," he would later recall.

The terrified boys, fearing retribution for trespassing and uncovering a potential murder, made a pact of silence.

But the youngest boy could not keep the secret for long, confessing to his father what they found in the Hagley Woods.

Police descended on the property and found, in a hollow of a massive tree trunk, a woman's skeletal remains was hidden.

There were few clues for authorities to go on, except for some scraps of the woman's clothing and a fake gold wedding ring.

But the mystery took a strange turn when a message was scrawled on a wall in Birmingham in the middle of the night.

"Who put Bella down the wych elm?" it read.
I was just coming to link this, as it was my country's public media who posted it, but I was too slow to beat @imstilla.grandma !

I so wish Bella's remains hadn't been misplaced. With DNA and genealogy techniques, it's entirely possible they could identify her today. They've done it with remains just as old. Older, even, in the case of some cemetery and wartime Does. Even if she was a Dutch citizen hiding out the war in England, her DNA would tell us. All I can hope is that one day, someone cleans out a cupboard or a storage room and finds them, and then we can finally get to learn who she is, if not how she got there, or, indeed, who put her in the wytch elm.

MOO
 
April 17 2023 rbbm.
''The baffling murder is re-examined in a new BBC Sounds podcast called The Body in the Tree. Researchers use science that hadn't been available during the war along with original police files to try and crack the case.''

''Even Prof James Webster, who did the post-mortem at the time was unable to determine how she died, but ruled that she hadn't gotten into the tree of her own accord.''

''Modern-day forensic psychiatrist Dr John Sandford gives his input in the series but faces a problem of having to find the historic remains first. They were last seen displayed at a Birmingham police training centre until the early 1970's and the record of them has grown cold since then.''

''Prof Maggie Andrews, an expert in cultural history at the University of Worcester, is also heard talking about why 'Bella' became part of folklore.''
She says in the podcast: "Constraining them in a tree has a horrible spooky and unpleasant feel to it and that adds to people's fascination with it. There's a sense of the very disposability of women," she told me for the BBC Sounds series.

The eight-part podcast series can be heard here at The Body in the Tree on BBC Sounds.''
 

'A BBC True Crime Podcast Is Asking Museums for Help Locating a Murder Victim’s Remains to Solve a Cold Case​

If the skeleton is recovered it may reveal the woman's origins or even her surviving relatives.'
Jo Lawson-Tancred, May 4, 2023 rbbm
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the skull of a woman recovered from a wych elm tree in Worcestershire, England in 1943. Photo: Public Domain.
The journalists behind a BBC Sounds true crime podcast are appealing to museums in the U.K. for help locating a murder victim’s remains.''

''There are many theories about the murder, including that it was a ritualistic killing based on how the bones were arranged. It has also been speculated that the victim, dubbed “Bella,” may have been a Nazi spy. Forensics determined that she was likely between 35 and 40 years old, and a professor of craniofacial identification at Dundee University reconstructed her face based on photographs of her skull in 2018.''

''The podcast’s host, Nicolas Goodwin, is now appealing to museums across the country to report if they have the skeleton in storage.

The hope is that, with today’s sophisticated DNA testing methods, scientists may finally be able to make some headway on identifying the woman.''

 

'A BBC True Crime Podcast Is Asking Museums for Help Locating a Murder Victim’s Remains to Solve a Cold Case​

If the skeleton is recovered it may reveal the woman's origins or even her surviving relatives.'
Jo Lawson-Tancred, May 4, 2023 rbbm
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the skull of a woman recovered from a wych elm tree in Worcestershire, England in 1943. Photo: Public Domain.
The journalists behind a BBC Sounds true crime podcast are appealing to museums in the U.K. for help locating a murder victim’s remains.''

''There are many theories about the murder, including that it was a ritualistic killing based on how the bones were arranged. It has also been speculated that the victim, dubbed “Bella,” may have been a Nazi spy. Forensics determined that she was likely between 35 and 40 years old, and a professor of craniofacial identification at Dundee University reconstructed her face based on photographs of her skull in 2018.''

''The podcast’s host, Nicolas Goodwin, is now appealing to museums across the country to report if they have the skeleton in storage.

The hope is that, with today’s sophisticated DNA testing methods, scientists may finally be able to make some headway on identifying the woman.''

This podcast series was an excellent listen. I checked on Jack Mossop and sadly as the podcast said his medical records have been lost.
The only basis for his story about Bella came from his ex wife and this (as far as I can tell) didn’t come out until 10 years had passed.
At the time his ex wife was short of money and apparently had borrowed from a lot the locals.
The only other person to support her story was a relative, this in my mind makes the story somewhat dubious.
I’ve read Jacks death certificate and it supports his stories of being a poor pilot and crashing too many planes. In his short life he’d suffered many serious head trauma’s and this plus other organ failures resulted in his death.
Without his medical records there’s no way of confirming the visions of Bella staring out at him from within the elm tree.
IMO it’s far more likely that Bella was a traveller and stepped out of line. To teach her a lesson they put her in the tree, which then went wrong when she died.
I hope some or all of her remains turn up, regardless of who she was, it’s just not right that they are treated as an exhibit.
 
By Mike Lockley 25 FEB 2018

''Painstaking detective and forensic work revealed the victim was aged around 35 to 40 and had given birth to a child.
The body had rotted in the woodland for at least 18 months.
The murder was ritualistic and had all the hallmarks of a Satanic ceremony.''

''The crime scene mirrored an ancient ceremony known as “Hand of Glory” where bones are scattered to the wind.
A hand had been severed, a wad of taffeta wedged in the victim’s mouth.''

''Bella was a Nazi spy, he believes. She was based in the Clent Hills area, an ideal place to monitor the munitions factories studded around the Black Country and Birmingham.
Others believe she was slain after tripping upon a Third Reich “cell”.
“I believe the spy story,” Peter says, “but it is circumstantial evidence, there is no proof as such.”
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I bet she was just a local woman who fell prey to violence.
Probably her husband killed her and claimed "mum ran away, you know, the war and such, she met a handsome soldier from whoknows where and left".

Or she was selling her body to soldiers and one client killed her.
Most stories are really ordinary.
 
I bet she was just a local woman who fell prey to violence.
Probably her husband killed her and claimed "mum ran away, you know, the war and such, she met a handsome soldier from whoknows where and left".

Or she was selling her body to soldiers and one client killed her.
Most stories are really ordinary.
Agree, most stories are very ordinary, the fact (and I assume the police tried to ID her) that they couldn’t find her locally suggests she was someone who moved about.
Unless her bones turn up we’ll never know who she was.
 
Agree, most stories are very ordinary, the fact (and I assume the police tried to ID her) that they couldn’t find her locally suggests she was someone who moved about.
Unless her bones turn up we’ll never know who she was.
I agree though there have been loads of cases where people were indeed local but either not reported missing (if she was killed by a spouse/partner or relative, she would not be reported missing) or reported missing but LE did not put any effort into it because the missing person was an adult. Also, well, it was in the middle of world war II. I guess they had other worries than IDing a woman.
 
And why "mock wedding ring"? Probably gold plated or cheap rolled gold. That is not "mock" but reflects a modest socioeconomic status. This is someones grandma or greatgrandma. I wish they find her remains and i wish the UK would open up more to genetic genealogy.
I agree genetic genealogy is a useful tool, sadly (and IMO unforgivable) they need to locate her skeleton first.
Using someone’s remains as an exhibit is just unthinkable to me.
Two things would have solved this mystery:
1. Jack Mossops medical records from his time in the mental hospital. (I’ve checked with them and they have been lost).
2. Bella’s skeleton, DNA from this would allow her family to be found (maybe).
 

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