US Virgin Is - Sarm Joan Lillian Heslop, 41, British, aboard vessel Siren Song, St. John, 7 Mar 2021

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KING Charles said:
VANISHED INTO THIN AIR! List Of Missing Persons Keeps Growing In The USVI


People on social media in St. John have begun sticking their heads in the sand when it comes to the disappearances of Heslop and Schuhmann. One Facebook group that is most popular in Cruz Bay, “What’s Happening St. John.” is now immediately deleting posts about the British woman’s disappearance — with no explanation as to why.

St. John is widely known as the most sleepy and crime-free of all the U.S. Virgin Islands, so administrators who created that social media page in particular and others are apparently “sick to the gills” when it comes to new updates about the British woman’s mysterious disappearance.
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Quite a shocking read, so many people missing and LE doesn't seem to be bothered much JMO.

Still hoping for news about Sarm, devastating that someone might get away with murder. MOO
 
KING Charles said:
This is the latest in the Times newspaper, but unfortunately I am not a subscriber. But at least Sarm is being highlighted in the news when most seem to have given up.

Skippers deny partner of missing Sarm Heslop sought help | The Times
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US coastguard logs obtained by The Times noted that when Ryan Bane called them at 11.46am on March 8 to report that Sarm Heslop had disappeared from his vessel during the night, he told them that he had alerted others to see if anyone had spotted her.

“Ryan has tried going to all the boats in the area and nobody has seen anything,” a coastguard agent wrote in a log that morning.
Skippers deny partner of missing Sarm Heslop sought help | The Times
Yet two other captains on boats moored near Siren Song in Frank Bay that evening said they were not contacted by Bane.

Someone’s fibbing.
 
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MsMarple said:
US coastguard logs obtained by The Times noted that when Ryan Bane called them at 11.46am on March 8 to report that Sarm Heslop had disappeared from his vessel during the night, he told them that he had alerted others to see if anyone had spotted her.

“Ryan has tried going to all the boats in the area and nobody has seen anything,” a coastguard agent wrote in a log that morning.
Skippers deny partner of missing Sarm Heslop sought help | The Times
Yet two other captains on boats moored near Siren Song in Frank Bay that evening said they were not contacted by Bane.

Someone’s fibbing.
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Yes indeed, someone is certainly fibbing.
Also in my post #781, I wonder who scrubbed out the name Siren Song on the missing poster. Was it LE because they don’t believe that was where Sarm was last seen. If it wasn’t LE then who erased it?
 
Pitkin said:
First post for me as I just watched BBC news and learned of this intriguing case for the first time.

As ever, this site tells me many more facts that weren't mentioned by BBC:
- charter yacht = money problems
- visiting the 420 restaurant
- dodgy area
- FBI 'monitoring' the case
- seeming non-investigation by police

My first thought is why are the FBI involved? My second thought is drugs.

- Drugs = money
- 420 is an odd name for a restaurant unless drugs are on the menu
- Drug dealing makes an area dodgy
- Large scale drug ring = FBI
- FBI = local police standing off to prevent them undermining a much bigger bust.

I'm just trying to make sense of the facts and this is the only way I can make them fit. Does that make sense to anyone else?

MOO!
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I think this is an excellent post and I'm glad to see that this thread is still going, attracting new opinions and information.

What I think is a particularly interesting thing is the idea that the FBI and the USVI PD are actually cooperating in not pushing too hard at investigating Sarm's disappearance as a means to protect a larger investigation, which had not occurred to me but might explain the spectacular lack of progress or initiative on the part of either of them.

It also makes me wonder - and it pains me to say this tbh - if RB is a victim in all this too. If perhaps whatever happened to Sarm was done by bigger, badder actors and was intended as a warning to him in relation to something else. It would explain his lack of cooperation, his hiding behind a lawyer and his disappearance to a location the FBI claim to be aware of. Perhaps Sarm got caught in the crosshairs of something much bigger than just an ill-advised relationship.

I'm not necessarily pushing this as a theory, but it's nice to have a second one apart from the obvious.

Pure rabid speculation and MOO.
 
JuicyLucy said:
I think this is an excellent post and I'm glad to see that this thread is still going, attracting new opinions and information.

What I think is a particularly interesting thing is the idea that the FBI and the USVI PD are actually cooperating in not pushing too hard at investigating Sarm's disappearance as a means to protect a larger investigation, which had not occurred to me but might explain the spectacular lack of progress or initiative on the part of either of them.

It also makes me wonder - and it pains me to say this tbh - if RB is a victim in all this too. If perhaps whatever happened to Sarm was done by bigger, badder actors and was intended as a warning to him in relation to something else. It would explain his lack of cooperation, his hiding behind a lawyer and his disappearance to a location the FBI claim to be aware of. Perhaps Sarm got caught in the crosshairs of something much bigger than just an ill-advised relationship.

I'm not necessarily pushing this as a theory, but it's nice to have a second one apart from the obvious.

Pure rabid speculation and MOO.
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Interesting angle!
Would you put her disappearance before getting back to ship or from ship? Where would she have been taken from?
 
Bogyo13 said:
Interesting angle!
Would you put her disappearance before getting back to ship or from ship? Where would she have been taken from?
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You know, I would tend to think she disappeared from the boat. I'm not a sailing type myself and may be talking rubbish, but I feel I remember someone upthread saying that the anchor alarm going off would be recorded in some way. So, if I can imagine a particular scenario at all, I think it would be the alarm being set off by some kind of incursion on to the boat by a third party that resulted in her being abducted or harmed in front of his eyes, and him being told not even to think about contacting the police until x hours have passed. He might then have contacted the coastguard because he knew the time of the anchor alarm going off would be checkable, but perhaps in the knowledge that all they would do is tell him to contact the police, which he had no intention of doing promptly. In the meantime, he has a few stiff whiskies and tries not to himself.

The reluctance to allow a search of the boat might be to do either with forensic evidence of whatever happened to her, which he would be prime suspect for even though it was actually done by a third party, or because of whatever business he was conducting with the third party in the first place. His father arriving shortly afterwards might be because he wanted another man on board in the event of a return visit, likewise his decampment to a mooring elsewhere.

Speculation, JMO, MOO, not a clue what I'm talking about really. :)
 
Thank you @JuicyLucy.

You took my thought that there might be something bigger at play to another level!

I hadn't considered that SH might have been kidnapped, or worse, by a third party. But the scenario you paint fits the known facts and imo it's entirely plausible.

I would add that five suspects remain at large from November's major drugs bust (see my post above). So that investigation is most likely still open and would explain the FBIs involvement.

Also noteworthy is that a local police officer was the only person arrested in that bust. This leaves open the possibility of other suspects in local LE which would make things even more complex.

That notwithstanding, I would be confident the FBI and UK police aren't simply watching this car crash of an investigation meander along. There has to be more to it and your thought process ticks all my boxes.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. We an only hope that SH will be found unhurt and the perpetrator(s) brought to justice.
 
JuicyLucy said:
You know, I would tend to think she disappeared from the boat. I'm not a sailing type myself and may be talking rubbish, but I feel I remember someone upthread saying that the anchor alarm going off would be recorded in some way. So, if I can imagine a particular scenario at all, I think it would be the alarm being set off by some kind of incursion on to the boat by a third party that resulted in her being abducted or harmed in front of his eyes, and him being told not even to think about contacting the police until x hours have passed. He might then have contacted the coastguard because he knew the time of the anchor alarm going off would be checkable, but perhaps in the knowledge that all they would do is tell him to contact the police, which he had no intention of doing promptly. In the meantime, he has a few stiff whiskies and tries not to **** himself.

The reluctance to allow a search of the boat might be to do either with forensic evidence of whatever happened to her, which he would be prime suspect for even though it was actually done by a third party, or because of whatever business he was conducting with the third party in the first place. His father arriving shortly afterwards might be because he wanted another man on board in the event of a return visit, likewise his decampment to a mooring elsewhere.

Speculation, JMO, MOO, not a clue what I'm talking about really. :)
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Thanks JuicyLucy, sounds absolutely plausible. Although I would think there would be a ransom if she was alive. She could have been killed to keep him in line, like you are next kinda thing. Hmm, I hope we hear more soon or she's found soon.
 
10 Week Update – #FindSarm


It’s been 10 weeks since Sarm went missing in the US Virgin Islands.

We’d like to thank you all for your incredible support and generosity. The wonderful Sweet Charity Choir released their version of Queen’s Radio Gaga recently to help raise money towards Sarm’s page and we know their hilarious video would make her smile. We hope you enjoy it.
 
Bogyo13 said:
Not knowing what happened to her must be absolutely devastating for her loved ones.

Would the ocean give her/her belongings back after this long if she was in the water so long?
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I don't know anything about the role of tides in that area, but in decomposition terms, she would be gone already in waters that warm. If she'd been going to wash up on the tide pre-decomposition, she would have done so by now. Sorry, grim to think about.

Belongings might be a different matter. And if she was disposed of on land, anything's possible, depending on the exact conditions.

How long does it take for a body to decompose at sea?

jmo
 
JuicyLucy said:
I don't know anything about the role of tides in that area, but in decomposition terms, she would be gone already in waters that warm. If she'd been going to wash up on the tide pre-decomposition, she would have done so by now. Sorry, grim to think about.

Belongings might be a different matter. And if she was disposed of on land, anything's possible, depending on the exact conditions.

How long does it take for a body to decompose at sea?

jmo
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Thanks, sad to think about. Perhaps shoes and clothes will be found.
 
VIPD are reporting that a female body has been found in an advanced stage of decomposition (sorry) in Bugby Hole, inland on the adjacent Island of St.Croix. The police are unable to identify her race or age, given the state of the body.

Seems like quite a built up area on Google Satellite, on an island several hours away from STJ by ferry/boat, so seems unlikely to be Sarm, especially given the state of the body? Or is there a plausible explanation? I guess there is always...

Police seeking assistance for identification.

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Mandalas said:
VIPD are reporting that a female body has been found in an advanced stage of decomposition (sorry) in Bugby Hole, inland on the adjacent Island of St.Croix. The police are unable to identify her race or age, given the state of the body.

Seems like quite a built up area on Google Satellite, on an island several hours away from STJ by ferry/boat, so seems unlikely to be Sarm, especially given the state of the body? Or is there a plausible explanation? I guess there is always...

Police seeking assistance for identification.

Edited to correct link and to clarify location.
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That's pretty weird. 'Near the roadway in Estate Bugby Hole' - ?? You wonder how a dead body could lie undiscovered for so long it reached a state of decomposition that advanced if it was near the roadway. That's a quite well developed residential area as far as I can see from Streetview. Nobody saw it? Nobody smelled it? Maybe it's a leap, but this is saying body dump to me, which would mean it could potentially be Sarm if she had first been kept elsewhere, either dead or alive. It could equally be somebody else, though. USVI doesn't seem short of missing persons. (Or unidentified bodies actually, as a quick google reveals.)

ETA JMO
 
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JuicyLucy said:
That's pretty weird. 'Near the roadway in Estate Bugby Hole' - ?? You wonder how a dead body could lie undiscovered for so long it reached a state of decomposition that advanced if it was near the roadway. That's a quite well developed residential area as far as I can see from Streetview. Nobody saw it? Nobody smelled it? Maybe it's a leap, but this is saying body dump to me, which would mean it could potentially be Sarm if she had first been kept elsewhere, either dead or alive. It could equally be somebody else, though. USVI doesn't seem short of missing persons. (Or unidentified bodies actually, as a quick google reveals.)

ETA JMO
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Looking at Google Earth, there are definitely a number of larger wooded or undeveloped lots. The picture of the Medical examiner van from the link in @Mandalas' post shows a landscape that is not in a densely populated area - that spot looks a bit deserted.
 
JuicyLucy said:
That's pretty weird. 'Near the roadway in Estate Bugby Hole' - ?? You wonder how a dead body could lie undiscovered for so long it reached a state of decomposition that advanced if it was near the roadway. That's a quite well developed residential area as far as I can see from Streetview. Nobody saw it? Nobody smelled it? Maybe it's a leap, but this is saying body dump to me, which would mean it could potentially be Sarm if she had first been kept elsewhere, either dead or alive. It could equally be somebody else, though. USVI doesn't seem short of missing persons. (Or unidentified bodies actually, as a quick google reveals.)

ETA JMO
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I've taken a look at the missing persons list for St.Croix, and there seems to be only one female listed on it: Jennifer Stephens-Robinson, a 54-year old who was reported missing in 2017. All the rest are male.

The St. John/St. Thomas missing list has more females listed, including dear Sarm.

That doesn't mean to say it couldn't be a body dump as you suggest; that could account for the hours between them leaving the restaurant and the boyfriend calling the coastguard... We also can't rule out nefarious third party involvement.
 
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