Found Deceased UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #4

[mfmfan77]

I'm not from the area so I'm not sure about these different cities/towns, but it seems likely to me that Hatch Park was a mid-point between the airport and the home/office/hotel being used by the person she was meeting. This person would know Hatch Park enough to know that it's centrally-located to getting back on what looks to be I-15 or SR-89. I'd assume the ultimate destination is north of (or nearby to) Hatch Park, or else they would have met up closer to the airport.

To me, this implies that the person she met up with is likely from a) near Hatch Park itself and didn't want a Lyft showing up at their home at 3am/Mackenzie didn't know their exact address when she entered it into the Lyft

or b) one of the nearby areas like Woods Cross, Bountiful, or maybe as far north as Farmington.

Farmington is an 11-minute drive from Hatch Park, so this timeline seems like it would work to grab your keys and leave to meet a Lyft at Hatch Park coming from the airport.

Again, I'm not from this area (nor have I been even ever to Utah), so I'm basing all of my opinions on Google Maps and the location of Hatch Park relative to the airport.

Can any locals add any insights? What are these areas like? I've seen on this thread that Bountiful is a popular area for wealthy families, which I could see as being a possible description for the type of "family man" that would want to keep secret his meetings with young college students.

JMO

 

[SuziQ]

But IS Hatch Park a good location? I live 30 minutes north and am trying to recall this intersection. From Google Earth it looks like there is an exit SB onto Center Street but NO other onramps or offramps. The Lyft driver had to take some side roads (unless some redesign has occurred that I’ve missed). That’s why I feel this is a good meetup place for a guy living up in the NSL Foothills. Easy and fast for him, literally 2 miles off the freeway for her due to that weird interchange.

That exit pisses me off. I missed the 600 north exit and took the one you speak of and couldn't get back on to go back. Drove around for ten minutes till I found Beck street. And finally got back to Marmalade district. And can you believe I did that AGAIN?

Anyways, I agree that the nature of access to 1-15 makes me feel the person lives close.

 

[TristanP]

there may be very logical reasons for this. her dad or mom's mom just passed and now there's an empty household with belonging and other logistics to be dealt with while her other parent maintains their own household. JMO

Her poor family must feel like they’re trapped in a nightmare right now.

 

[MassGuy]

Parks department would know, and if the police didn't even bother requesting footage from the park, they knew.

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Yeah, but my point is that your average person probably wouldn’t know.

The person who picked her up for instance.

 

[ksmith3271]

ML is a senior, she also holds down a job as a phlebotomist.
She's a busy, employed adult.
I think it's quite likely that Mackenzie has a second phone, if she has 'several' older men she spends time with (is it the roommate who said this?)

My only question regarding the thought of another phone is ... why? Her friends also seem dumbfounded by this idea. It’s not like she’s lived with her parents. She’s 23 years old. She can do what she wants. Having two phones is pointless, unless your work requires you to be on call and keep it separate, which is not the case here. Furthermore, as far as we know Kenzie is single. Even if she is into an alternative lifestyle, she doesn’t have a husband to hide things from. Kenzie has been at college, living in a sorority house and now her own apartment for several years now. She dressed how she wanted to, made public statements about her dating life ... there is no reason for two phones. From a social media perspective, having two profiles on FB, IG etc is actually easier from one phone. I have my personal social accounts but also handle my company’s work accounts and you simply toggle back and fourth. Everyone is different but, as 32 year old female who lived a big college life away from family and made some risqué choices of my own... I certainly wasn’t toting around two phones. All this talk of secondary phones and burner phones ... all bc she MAY have enjoyed “free spirited” relationships ?!

 

[MorbidGateway]

Correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't checked the whole thing out yet. She took a ride to some place where she then met up with some other person that was waiting for her? So she either is ditching her life to start new or maybe the guy she was meeting had other plans. Interested to see how this ends.

 

[MesquiteO21]

Respectfully, I do not sense that this was an accident.
Someone meeting her at 3am in a deserted park, does not say accident to me.
It says foul play.

i do lean towards this as well and think it's a good point. but i can also see someone trying to keep relations with ML on the down low thus wanting to avoid going to a well-lit public place like an airport. So they meet up in a park to keep it clandestine but then an accident happened at some point...i won't rule out that possibility. But yeah, overwhelmingly i do think the park indicates planning and premeditation

 

[jcoast]

First time posting on this case: What baffles me is how lucky the person who picked her up is. I mean he/she was ok with the Lyft driver seeing them. Chose a park with surveillance cameras ( unless he/she somehow knew they weren’t working ) that was close to a police station. I mean.....they took the risk of being questioned by a cop had a cop drove by and saw a random car at 3am at the park. I dunno. This makes me wonder if the intentional meet up was innocent enough and somehow escalated to something more nefarious. JMO.

...or the meeting was legit but we are looking for 2 bodies ...not 1

 

[poppydarling]

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Tricia

I know there is a lot of chatter about SB/SD/the sugar lifestyle. I wanted to clear up a few things as it is becoming more relevant to the case potentially.


First, a sugar lifestyle is NOT considered to be the same as sex work. Calling Kenzie, or any sugar baby, a sex worker is a misnomer and very problematic. There is a difference in terms of consent and agreed upon exchange. Calling anyone in the sugar lifestyle a “hooker,” “prostitute,” “escort,” or any term related to these is not appropriate. A sugar baby and the sugar lifestyle should really be considered a consensual exchange relationship.


An exchange relationship is pretty similar to a traditional relationship, but with a few understood and agreed upon exchanges. Typically for sugar babies this means engaging in consensual relationships with older men (or women but typically men). This does NOT always include sexual intercourse. It can include companionship, friendship, support, and/or accompanied with sexual behaviors. Just to be clear: sex is commonly NOT the driving force of these relationship (statistics put this at over 70% non sexual at statistical significance).


*If* we are going to discuss Kenzie and her participation in the sugar lifestyle, it should be done so as it if were her having a relationship with an older man. Nothing else. She is an adult. She entered relationships with consent and awareness. Nothing to this point indicates ANY sex work or even sexual deviance. She appears to have exchange based relationships. Which frankly many of us have to some degree. Any shaming or name calling, including calling her names of other sex working positions, should not be tolerated as there is ZERO evidence of Kenzie participating in any of that.


Sex workers often have someone that is their boss (slang we say pimp) that they report to and takes a cut of their income. Income often exchanged via sexual relations ONLY with no regard for emotional support or consideration. Sugar babies do not have this same structure. They do not work for anyone. They engage in this lifestyle for their own personal choice and walk away with their own exchanges without the need to cut anyone in. There is often emotional consideration and personal autonomy is retained. In Kenzie’s case, this is clearly demonstrated in her posted from twelve weeks ago. The emotional consideration was highly important to her and indicates she was not working with any boss/handler/pimp. This alone indicates she is not, and has not to our knowledge, been engaged in sex work.


I am happy to answer any questions about this lifestyle/relationship status/possible mentality but I will only do so if approached respectably for both Kenzie and the lifestyle.

 

[PommyMommy]

been a lurker on this site, but been reading on this case...
about the burner phone, i kind of doubt she would have one but she probably did use a google voice account or some kind of texting app as did the person she was meeting if it was someone on one of the sites.. they probably wouldn't have really communicated on the site either as most people want to switch to texting right away to get around some of the site rules and be more direct in what they have to say..

Welcome to Websleuths, summmer. Thanks for joining us.

 

[glassheater]

...or the meeting was legit but we are looking for 2 bodies ...not 1

Has anyone else reported missing?

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

1: the person who met her was going to drive her home.

2: after the late date, conversation, or whatever, she was going to get another Lyft home.

3: going to spend the night at the home of the person who picked her up, followed by either 1 or 2 to eventually get home.

What other possibilities?

Does anyone know where she lived in relation to the park? I.e., if someone was going to drive her home, does it make sense logistically? TIA.

 

[TristanP]

I’m not convinced that anyone could know that those cameras weren’t working. I think this person got lucky.

Looking at that area, that park isn’t all that unreasonable a meeting spot.

It’s got an accessible parking lot, and it would be relatively easy to find.

I’m wondering if it might be someone who would have been able to recognize the cameras were dummy cameras, maybe.

I’m mainly put off by the park being the meeting place at 3 am. Why not an IHOP or a Walgreens parking lot? My impression is that the park was to provide anonymity which is why I find it so troubling.

 

[WillCut72]

Yes. None of them are the same.

I can corroborate. I've seen probably 4 or 5 cached photos from the private account, although one picture was identical to a post from her public insta.

 

[Seattle1]

been a lurker on this site, but been reading on this case...
about the burner phone, i kind of doubt she would have one but she probably did use a google voice account or some kind of texting app as did the person she was meeting if it was someone on one of the sites.. they probably wouldn't have really communicated on the site either as most people want to switch to texting right away to get around some of the site rules and be more direct in what they have to say..

Welcome to WS @summmer -

I agree that it probably wouldn't be necessary for ML to have a burner phone as she could easily use her existing phone with google voice or similar for alternate contact number.

MOO

 

[Jethro4WS]

I would think only a mayor or city council would know about park cameras

Yep, and probably the Police as well. But now the citizens of North Salt Lake know. As do the criminals.

 

[thor87]

I am going to try and tread lightly here because I know there are rules for this forum. None of what I am saying below comes from a place of disrespect. I am basing this on the evidence that has come to light.

The PI's comments that she appeared to be active on a social media website for younger women seeking older men the day before her disappearance seems like a potentially strong piece of evidence. Especially since we know police are putting a focus on the possibility that she had a second phone as well as their interest in her social media accounts.

As someone who has been involved in the online dating and hookup culture (and therefore passes no judgement whatsoever), I do know it is not uncommon to start to feel a sense of security with someone without actually meeting them in person. Based on the numerous catfish stories we know others are susceptible to this as well. I acknowledge people's belief that she would not meet with someone she did not already know in the middle of the night and in a park of all places. I think her state of mind after her grandmother's passing may have made her more susceptible to making a poor decision though. Was this individual offering her comfort via social media for days prior to the meeting? Did she feel they had developed a connection in her time of need while he was actually manipulating her?

PI's comments about not knowing who the person on the other side of these online conversations is so true. We never know what a person's true intent may be. This stands out to me because immediately after the press conference on Monday the local news station commented on Salt Lake police's efforts to address the growing problem with human trafficking in the city.

I am hoping and praying for ML and her family and her safe return home.

 

[Bits777]

Just thinking of a possibility- maybe the park was always their meeting spot. If she was meeting up with someone known to her.

 

[LucasDAP]

Thank you, @poppydarling!!!

 

[poppydarling]

Thank you, @poppydarling!!!

No problem, I know it’s a tricky and often taboo topic to discuss. But there are many of us professionals who handle this type of lifestyle frequently and have a better grasp. Always happy to educate!