UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #1

[SharetheLight]

I'm not sure if it was wrong content or just not all of the content.
I know the local news said that the day care the kids were supposed to
be at was one of their friends.
She may be the one who watched them. And maybe that is why she knew
his cell phone.

Besides I thought I heard that the friend called Josh and he said he was
driving around with the boys.
She may have asked if Susan was with them and when she found out
she wasn’t she may have told him that she was missing.

I don't think at this point we can jump to the friend being his girlfriend
when we don't know how the whole conversation went.

I also don't get the feeling that the friend is involved.
She is one of the main people organizing all the efforts to find Susan
with flyers, fb page etc. Doing news interviews...
I don't think she would be doing that if she had something to hide.

JMO

I don't think it is odd that she had his cell number.
I wouldn't discount any involvement just because she is involved in the search for Susan, doing interviews etc.

It's strange he picked up the phone to answer her call but no one else's.
If we have the correct content of that conversation, then it's odd. But I won't rush to judgement on that one because no one can seem to report responsibly these days.

She is also the one that put the rave reviews on his realtor site. But that alone is nothing to make me think twice.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I wonder just how much life insurance she has?

FWIW, I think Susan is no longer with us and that Josh killed her.

MOO

 

[Melanie]

Does anyone feel the FIL supporting his son in law is an act? You know what they say - keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer. The FIL can't be a fool here, and my gut tells me he's keeping hubby on his radar. Maybe he'll slip up and say something. We all know the Rocha's defended SP in the early days. Well, that didn't last very long.

Just my .02.

Mel

 

[Melanie]

I wonder just how much life insurance has?

FWIW, I think Susan is no longer with us and that Josh killed her.

MOO

I agree - but each day that goes by we lose more forensic evidence. IF she's out in the snow, she will not decompose quickly. I sure hope the storm settles and the dogs can go back out.

I'm not so much concerned about Josh at the moment than finding Susan, and any clues to convict lthat may have been left behind.

Mel

 

[Melanie]

And JP claims to have headed out to a desolate spot with a snow storm coming in....and after reading a comment at the SLtrib about easily getting stuck out there -- NO WAY in the middle of the night w/ no one knowing

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12/12/2009 4:18:00 PM

There is not much to do out there with little kids in the winter. There was not enough snow for snowmobiling. Four wheelers are a possibility, but one adult managing two little kids and trying to go four wheeling sounds a bit insane. All of the access roads are dirt, it was cold and muddy, a storm is coming in and you can easily get stuck out there in bad weather, even with a 4x4.


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I only have 1 child, and it takes me an entire day to plan for an overnight trip. Okay, so I'm a bit over the top, but I like to plan ahead for emergencies. My dad lives in an isolated area, lots of snow, and blackouts. We have a little cabin up there, but it's not stocked with food. Once we get there we have to unpack, get the fire going, get the fridge started, check the pipes to make sure they're not frozen. A lot goes into it.

No way on God's green earth would I just throw my son in the car and off we go. Is there any evidence that he prepped for this trip? Formula? Diapers? Coats? Jammies? Socks? Boots? Bedding? My son would never go without his favorite blanket and pillow. The trunk was definitely flled to the brim.

Again - so many questions. Thanks for listening.

Mel

 

[Melanie]

Is there another kind?

Yes, and you summed it up in your post. Kind, caring, and someone who thinks of others first. I only put the Westerfields, the Petersons, and all those other criminals in the Stoopid Men category.

Of course this dude hasn't been arrested, so maybe I'm a bit premature

Best,

Mel

 

[Sewing_Buddy]

Josh seems like a real strange bird to me....I don't see a girlfriend angle in this -- but the control freak w/ money troubles -- now that speaks volumes to me.

It wouldn't surprise me if he were the jealous type too...they'd been to the Christmas party the nite before, and maybe he got bent outta shape because she was enjoying herself too much -- with male or female friends....however, I think w/ her talking of leaving him, he would be more angry if she was chatting w/ men.....some guys can't stand their 'woman' enjoying herself, they are so insecure & consequently jealous & controlling.

I haven't read all of the posts yet so maybe someone mentioned this already......doesn't this sound a lot like the Nancy Cooper case?

Marital problems
Money problems
Jealousy
Late night "adventure"
Husband isn't first to report missing wife
Hard to believe alibi
2 small children

.....and we all know where Brad Cooper is these days!

 

[SuziQ]

I haven't read all of the posts yet so maybe someone mentioned this already......doesn't this sound a lot like the Nancy Cooper case?

Marital problems
Money problems
Jealousy
Late night "adventure"
Husband isn't first to report missing wife
Hard to believe alibi
2 small children

.....and we all know where Brad Cooper is these days!

Both wives had just been to a party as well.

 

[Lipin One]

I don't think so.
I've talked to her via emails and she seems like a good friend!

If something we have learned from all these horrible cases is that we don't always know other people as well as we think, even if we live with them.

Take the brother-in-law, for example. He's telling everyone what a caring and loving his bro-in-law is, and how his pain and suffering is real. To go easy on him.

In the meantime Josh is standing next to him, and when Graves is asked what was Susan wearing the night she disappeared Graves answers that he doesn't know, but there is no word from Josh.

And, when asked if Josh went with police to the remote area where he said he camped, Graves says he doesn't know. Yet, Josh is standing next to him saying nothing.

What does it take to say, "she was wearing this." Or, "yes, I went with police to the camping site?"

I don't see how answering those two questions would hurt the investigation.

 

[passionflower]

After listening to him talk I'm failing to see how any woman could be attracted to him, so I may have to reconsider my original thought.

ITA, BUT there are DESPARATE women out there that would think he is a prize!

 

[passionflower]

This is a picture of their house.
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attached garage!!! Easy to put Susan in the van!

This morning I had an awful thought, hate to say this, but
could she of been so ill that she thought he was taking her to the hospital and the kids saw daddy helping mom to the van, passenger seat. 4 year old thought mom was ok.
IMO, I still feel that she is close to their home.
And he dumped her off as soon as he could.
Kids are easily distracted. saying we are going sledding..........then she's passed out and he takes her to the woods..............was she still alive?
wrapped in blanket from the bed?
Is that why he bought the new quilt???
I'm praying that he will confess and LE can find her.
JMOO

 

[passionflower]

I agree with Lovejac too.

Why does he answer the phone THEN but at no other time in the night when people were calling him. Seems Josh was BUSY. If he really cared about his wife sick at home he would have 1) stayed home with her 2) if he just HAD to leave that night at midnight and go camping he would/should have kept the freaking phone on in case she needed him.
With this id!ot's stories it is no wonder there is speculation as to what he may have had to do with the fact that his wife is missing without her car, purse, and cell phone, and most importantly, HER CHILDREN that she loved very much.

BBM

and she had no way to get herself to the hospital, he took her car!
I'm wondering just where he and children spent their night........
hope someone recognizes him and reports!

As for him saying sledding and taking his children to eat......wanted an alibi
between 5:30 (friend left home)- 8:30pm.(neighbor saw him coming home)
He says he left at 12:30 am to go to camp, but did anyone see him leave the house?
I do not believe 1 word he says or his time frame.

It would be great to know when the van was serviced last, mileage and try to figure out how many miles he put on the van! Wonder if LE can figure something out?

 

[fran]

If something we have learned from all these horrible cases is that we don't always know other people as well as we think, even if we live with them.

Take the brother-in-law, for example. He's telling everyone what a caring and loving his bro-in-law is, and how his pain and suffering is real. To go easy on him.

In the meantime Josh is standing next to him, and when Graves is asked what was Susan wearing the night she disappeared Graves answers that he doesn't know, but there is no word from Josh.

And, when asked if Josh went with police to the remote area where he said he camped, Graves says he doesn't know. Yet, Josh is standing next to him saying nothing.

What does it take to say, "she was wearing this." Or, "yes, I went with police to the camping site?"

I don't see how answering those two questions would hurt the investigation.

This is all about CONTROL, IMHO.

After watching a number of these cases on WS, this is the first one where I've seen a family member call a brief news conference, speak with the husband (NOT POI) standing right next to him mute, and be asked questions only the husband could answer and the reporters are still left with an 'I don't know.'


This is NOT the first case I've watched where the husband stopped talking to the media because he was criticized, but yet he attempted to stay in front of the media by attending vigils and handed out flyers. This was the MO of Scott Peterson, some here may recall.

This is NOT the first case I've watched where the victim's family spoke up in support of the victim's husband and asked that people continue to look for the missing spouse. This also happened in the Laci Peterson case and the Lori Hacking case.

This is NOT the first case I've watched where the victim's husband (in this case through his mouth piece BIL), told reporters they were requested by LE not to discuss specifics of the case. This also happened in the Laci Peterson Case.

This is NOT the first case I've watched where the husband STOPPED talking to LE. This also happened in the Laci Peterson case, Michelle Young, Nancy Cooper, Kelly Morris, Janet Aboara, Stacy Peterson, Lisa Stebic..........cases............and the list goes on and on and on...........

There is no 'school' or 'courses' offered in how to get away with murder. There's no 'play book,' per se,...............but there are SIGNS of a murder, ie disappearing without a trace leaving behind husband, children, home, purse, cell phone, no outward signs of an abduction other than the person is gone without a trace,.................but yet there are also background noises of control, troubled marriages, talk of divorce, money problems, life insurance?, shady alibis by the spouse..........

I respect and offer my condolences to Susan's family that love and miss her. But for me, I'll only stop talking about the possibility of the 'husband' (that would be JOSH POWELL) being responsible for the disappearance of his wife Susan, when he steps up to the plate, talks to LE again, possibly a LD test, and LE is convinced he's innocent. Until that time, JOSH POWELL is the most likely POI!

JMHO
fran

PS....About the only way Josh is going to get people to stop talking about him, is when he tells the TRUTH! and where is Susan????????

 

[dreamweaver]

fran: Great post! I agree.

 

[passionflower]

FRAN
ITA..............the clues all point to Josh Powell
Susan's body would be well preserved right now for forensics.
But hidden so well with all the snow.
Praying Josh Powell confesses and starts talking.
Susan and her family deserves A PROPER CLOSURE!
Where did he put Susan? He is the only one that knows!

 

[fran]

I guess it's time for an update.


fran



Quote:
Originally Posted by fran
Things are mounting up.............anyone else?


fran


1. Husband not the one who reported victim missing.

2. Husband had 'odd' alibi, ie going camping in sub-zero temperartures, late at night, leaving sick wife home alone in bed, and taking two toddlers, pre five yo's into the freezing winter night.

3. Change of story details, here and there or becoming evasive.

4. Avoiding media contact.

5. Avoiding media questions, ie "Is that where you went camping?" to which he replies, "I have to pick up my boys."

6. Avoids wife-victim's family.

7. Stops talking to LE

8. Concerned with 'his house.'

9. Speaks of victim in 'past-tense.'

10. Speaks of 'buying new clothes and comforter.'

11. Unexplained 'wet spot' in carpeting and 'fans being used to dry.'

12. Gradual release of 'friends and family' speaking of marital problems.

13. Alleged from 'friends' of husband having control issues, which included control of wife ie victim.

14. Alleged from 'friends' of 'verbal abuse' by husband of victim.

15. Alleged statement by one of the children (ok, possibly rumor) "Daddy said mommy stayed in the woods for awhile."

16. Spoke to neighbor about 'hope his bird isn't dead' but didn't talk about his missing wife.

17. Testing generator late at night on camping trip

18. Sledding in the dark?

19. Near frost bitten hands.

20. Just the sheer distance of the alleged camp site (3 or 4 hours drive)

21. NOT one sign of husband camping where he said he was.

22. Just plain talking about 'himself,' rather than his missing wife!!!!!!!!

23. No sign of forced entry of home.

24. Friends and neighbors said it was unusual for Josh to suddenly go camping late at night with the children in the freezing weather.

25. Periodic money problems including a past bankruptcy.

26. Joshy tells his FIL the last time he saw Susan was at 12:30, but didn't bother to tell him what a great time was had by all at the wee-hours-of-the-nite-camping-in-subzero-temps-and-snowstorm-in-the-desert outing.
(from Texas Mist)

27. Left sick wife alone, never to check on her and she had NO CAR to go to doctor! (from member passionflower)

28. Wife had gone to bed sick with an ear-ache which meant she most likely had a cold. Yet, husband made her walk home from church in freezing weather, (they only had one car)


*Blue are added as the case developes and Websleuthers mention them




REASONS NOT TO LOOK TOWARDS HUSBAND

1. Josh said he didn't harm Susan.

2. Susan's dad said to stop looking at husband, he didn't harm his daughter.

 

[fran]

FRAN
ITA..............the clues all point to Josh Powell
Susan's body would be well preserved right now for forensics.
But hidden so well with all the snow.
Praying Josh Powell confesses and starts talking.
Susan and her family deserves A PROPER CLOSURE!
Where did he put Susan? He is the only one that knows!

This is where these cases get to me. I'm not even related to or know anyone involved, but feel the frustration and heartache of these families when they're searching for their missing loved one. I get sooooo frustrated when you just KNOW the husband knows where he put her and he lets everyone search and go before the media and beg ANYONE who knows ANYTHING to 'please come forward,' to 'please let her come home.'

It's truly heartbreaking.....................especially when you watch these families search for months and sometimes years and then out of the clear blue, hunters stumble across the skeletal remains. (ie the recent discovery of Kelly Morris and now the arrest and upcoming trial of her husband Scott. )

Yes, some do get away with it. Or it seems they do. But the obvious ones, LE is still watching them, even years later. Waiting for them to make that ONE slip that will be the final nail they need to convict.

I don't know how this is going to play out. IF Susan will be found and IF LE has enough to convict. But I have no doubt he's responsible, but that's JMHO.


fran

PS...........I have 3 - 20 somthing daughters who are single. This is my worst nightmare! I only pray I'm never in these families' position. fran

 

[passionflower]

Fran, on list.........the Sunday a fasting day and to break the fast would be the supper?
Which Josh would KNOW it was SUNDAY!
And Josh made supper, rare for him , wife went to bed with ear ache?
Did kids eat because he claims he took them sledding and out to eat?
other 'clues'?

Do we know who was at dinner? couple? man or woman? friends? relatives?
left at 5:30pm? Ate early??? What is the usual meal time on Sunday?

 

[somethingblue]

there are two lds church houses within about .5 miles of there residence, about 10 minutes walking distance. The weather here in utah is quite erattic it warms up before a storm, so as i recall sunday afternoon was cold but still bearable for a .5 mile walk.

 

[Texas Mist]

Fran, on list.........the Sunday a fasting day and to break the fast would be the supper?
Which Josh would KNOW it was SUNDAY!
And Josh made supper, rare for him , wife went to bed with ear ache?
Did kids eat because he claims he took them sledding and out to eat?
other 'clues'?

Do we know who was at dinner? couple? man or woman? friends? relatives?
left at 5:30pm? Ate early??? What is the usual meal time on Sunday?

here's all I've found so far on the Sunday dinner & 'friend' who was there (posted upthread)

JoVonna Owings said she had dinner with the couple and their children around 4 p.m. and that Susan Powell was wearing a long-sleeve black shirt and black pants.


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