VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[Dushi]

He obviously visits the forum. Why would he still be interested in our quest???

Why is that obvious?
I change my profile pic frequently

 

[Dushi]

OK, I have found an answer to the above question

Originally Posted by Teche
Are there any records indicating if any individuals, staff or tourists, who disembarked at the port and failed to return. I've never had the opportunity to take a cruise. Many of my immediate family members have been on Renaissance Cruises.


FINDAMY

No Teche, there aren't. The country of Curacao should have records of everyone who passed through their Customs and Immigration at the terminal, that day. The Bradleys have never seen this information. I have to wonder if it disappeared along with the surveillance tapes.


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[Dushi]

Ok, So the Bradleys were never given this info but i don't think it is clear that the FBi or other LE doesn't have the info

Not only would passengers have to clear customs and immigration, but you would also check on and off the ship

No other way for a ship to know if all passengers were on board at time of departure

 

[neesaki]

Yes I would think Puerto Rico would be the place to get the easiest help at least outside the American islands.

Just to be clear I'm not suggesting the Bradley's should have done this or that. It does seem to have been the captain who encouraged them to get off the ship at Curacao and as they said, didn't seem overjoyed to seem them back on! So I wonder if they were encouraged in some way once again to leave from St. Thomas.

The dogs: I believe they were brought on but came up empty. We know Amy was on the boat of course so I wonder what that means. Maybe some of you know scent dogs better than others of us. How likely is that a dog could figure out where Amy was hidden (assuming she wasn't taken off at Curacao) or would be able to follow her route (say from the bar where she was last seen?). Maybe there are too many people on a boat, too much data for the dogs to process?

I was thinking about this last night. For the FBI to search the ship, would they have been familiar with the ship and the layout, or would they have had someone, the captain or another crew member escort / guide them in their search. If this is the case, then could they have been guided away from where Amy may have been? IDK, just thinking. Also, if Amy was already off the ship, would the dogs have picked up on anything, especially, as you mention, with the number of people on that boat, maybe too many scents intermingled?

 

[Dushi]

I think it would've been of importance back then whether or not she had shoes on. If for example someone had found her shoes at a specific location, it could have been a lead or clue. But if we're looking for Amy today, I don't know if the shoes are relevant after all these years.I still think the focus should be on her facial features and I wish they would do a coloured age progression photo of Amy. I'd like to see one made up with and without the wild hair and in colour.

I think the only reason the shoes were relevant at all is because it was one reason used to discredit a sighting

 

[neesaki]

I think the only reason the shoes were relevant at all is because it was one reason used to discredit a sighting

I agree. Why take that one, tiny detail and use it to eliminate the possibility of a legitimate sighting? It's not like shoes are part of her body and aren't easily changed, removed, replaced. It has never made sense to me.

 

[Kristin83]

I agree. Why take that one, tiny detail and use it to eliminate the possibility of a legitimate sighting? It's not like shoes are part of her body and aren't easily changed, removed, replaced. It has never made sense to me.

Maybe FA/the Bradleys know more about why that sighting is not legit but aren't able to say.

The no shoes thing seems like a goofy reason to discredit what could be a very important sighting (no offense to them).

Also, why in the world would they take the time to show this sighting on Vanished if they truly believe it's not valid? Her dad seemed to insinuate that it was valid, saying that she had green eyes.

 

[Saracen]

I was thinking about this last night. For the FBI to search the ship, would they have been familiar with the ship and the layout, or would they have had someone, the captain or another crew member escort / guide them in their search. If this is the case, then could they have been guided away from where Amy may have been? IDK, just thinking. Also, if Amy was already off the ship, would the dogs have picked up on anything, especially, as you mention, with the number of people on that boat, maybe too many scents intermingled?

Thats why I think she would have been hidden in an area NOT accessable, to the public and therefore an area not searched, like the engine room or the radio room type place.. jmo

 

[Sillybilly]

Someone else on here was also doing some tracking on lexxy. My search is not working right for some reason but it was in this thread #2.

Yes, the name had cropped up before and i had found her/his(?) twitter account the other day, advertising their stable of available girls and the contact phone #. Was much more enthused about finding the alexisclub account because it establishes the connections to the first names of some of the Zorbs (unless those names are also ficticious). These peeps seem to have some serious cloaking, which we've seen in other cases where the *advertiser censored* industry seems so prevalent.

 

[Sillybilly]

He obviously visits the forum. Why would he still be interested in our quest???

I found the same thing with another one of the FB accounts ... think it was the one for the AZ kid(?) in Hamilton ... friends were visible one day and not the next. Pees me off because there was a well-known mob surname that showed up in his FB friends, and I wanted to track on that and have now lost it. Arghhh

But yeah ... i fully suspect some of the players are following the case these days. Have to wonder specifically how their interest was resumed.

For those not from area, Hamilton has always been known for some major mob activity. One can say, oh well they're everywhere, but there are some pockets that are more prevalent than others. For example, here in BC, we have very little by way of actual mob, but tons of OMG and lower level gang activity. I grew up with tons of exposure to major o/c, and IMO, the words Hamilton and mob are almost synonymous. Absolutely no offence to all the nice peeps of Hamilton

IMO, crime knows no borders and this smacks strongly of o/c ... you can be checking out one little ol' name in Nowhere, Saskatchewan and end up finding connections in Norway, Germany, etc.

JMO

 

[Dushi]

I found the same thing with another one of the FB accounts ... think it was the one for the AZ kid(?) in Hamilton ... friends were visible one day and not the next. Pees me off because there was a well-known mob surname that showed up in his FB friends, and I wanted to track on that and have now lost it. Arghhh

But yeah ... i fully suspect some of the players are following the case these days. Have to wonder specifically how their interest was resumed.

For those not from area, Hamilton has always been known for some major mob activity. One can say, oh well they're everywhere, but there are some pockets that are more prevalent than others. For example, here in BC, we have very little by way of actual mob, but tons of OMG and lower level gang activity. I grew up with tons of exposure to major o/c, and IMO, the words Hamilton and mob are almost synonymous. Absolutely no offence to all the nice peeps of Hamilton IMO, crime knows no borders and this smacks strongly of o/c ... you can be checking out one little ol' name in Nowhere, Saskatchewan and end up finding connections in Norway, Germany, etc.

JMO

Thank you


I live in the region and did not know that
First time I have heard that Hamilton was known for a lot of mob activity

The Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area, an urban area that has a total population ranked near the top 50 in the world so I guess it shouldn't come as a big surprise

 

[Sillybilly]

The Bradley family might consider presenting the case to Vidocq .. they investigate disappearances as well as murders. I recall that some of the criterion used to be that the case must be more than 2 years old and the victim not associated with high-risk behaviour. Not sure what their caseload is, but IMO, Amy's case certainly fits into those categories.

Havent' had time to review it, but here's the website:

http://www.vidocq.org/who.html

Conspicuous by its absence is "how to submit a case". I guess they want us to sleuth that out :waitasec:

 

[Sillybilly]

Thank you


I live in the region and did not know that
First time I have heard that Hamilton was known for a lot of mob activity

The Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area, an urban area that has a total population ranked near the top 50 in the world so I guess it shouldn't come as a big surprise

My background is probably different than yours Dushi I just know some names that I wish i'd never heard. But yes, Hamilton is no different than TO or Montreal, etc ... and when I start with one seemingly insignificant address and and then find the house next door connected to surnames known in o/c circles, it always piques my interest Not that anything might come of it, but keeps me rummaging.

 

[Dushi]

My background is probably different than yours Dushi I just know some names that I wish i'd never heard. But yes, Hamilton is no different than TO or Montreal, etc ... and when I start with one seemingly insignificant address and and then find the house next door connected to surnames known in o/c circles, it always piques my interest Not that anything might come of it, but keeps me rummaging.

Oh thats ok

I am not at all offended, nor do I disbelieve you. I am just a bit surprised

 

[masootz]

But yeah ... i fully suspect some of the players are following the case these days. Have to wonder specifically how their interest was resumed.

snipped to answer - my guess would be because ws is indexed by google rather quickly. if the parties being sleuthed even did a cursory google search of their name they'd find these threads on the first page. in some cases (various spellings of az) the only google results are the ab threads on ws.

 

[neesaki]

Just an alternative source / reference with similar information, I just haven't come across this particular one:
http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mis_amy_bradley.htm

On their third night at sea, Amy and her brother, Brad, partied long and hard. Neither returned to the family's cabin until 3:40 A.M. Amy's dad, Ron, said he woke up when she came in and said she was going to sleep on the balcony:

"She said she hadn't been feeling too well because of the motion of the boat since we left Aruba that evening. So she said she was gonna just to stay out there and get some fresh air."

Here again, it indicates that Amy and Brad returned to the cabin at the same time. ???

The next time Ron woke up, Brad had gone to bed and Amy was asleep on the balcony:

"I could see Amy's legs from her hips down. She looks like she was resting comfortably. I dozed back off to sleep. The balcony door was closed, because if it hadn't been closed, I would have gotten up and closed it."
"About 6:00am, something awoke me again. I got up, looked out on the balcony and the balcony door was open about 14-16 inches and Amy wasn't on the deck. And I had a little funny feeling at that time, because it was unlike her to be up that early in the morning."

The balcony door had been closed, then when he awoke, it was opened. Again, evidence that Amy had left the balcony, not fallen overboard, and walked back through the cabin on her way out.

Amy's family says the ship's crew resisted paging Amy, claiming it was too early to use the loudspeakers. And to make things worse, the ship had just docked in the port of Curaçao. Amy's mother pleaded with the crew:

"I got very, very panicked and frightened and I asked them please don't put the gangplank down. 'You need to lock the ship up. You need to back the ship off of the dock. Don't let anybody off of this boat. Somebody's got my daughter.'"

The Bradleys claim the purser didn't broadcast the first page for Amy until 10 minutes to 8:00. By then, Amy's mother said, most of the passengers had disembarked for the day:

"I became more and more frantic because I knew that if she was in a position to hear the announcement, she would come immediately to us. And then I had thoughts that maybe somebody had her in a room and she heard it and couldn't get to us."

Maybe a possibility that Amy was held in a room initially - this would have to be a crew members room though, imo. This, because the guest rooms are cleaned frequently from what I've heard, too many people in and out to hide someone. Then, at some point, they could possibly have moved Amy to another, more remote hiding place until they were able to get her off the ship.

Seems like this would involve several people, simply because of the logistics of this type operation, again, jmo.

The Bradleys began to piece together Amy's last hours on board the ship. She left the balcony between 5:30 and 6 a.m. They know she changed her clothes. They know she took her cigarettes. But they don't know where she was going. And then, they found a witness. Crystal Roberts said she saw Amy early that morning with the bass player from the ship's band:

"I saw Amy and the band member walk over and up to the next deck up above us. And about 10 minutes later, he came walking around by himself."

Ten minutes isn't very long for someone to hide someone away, plus there would need to be someone to watch her. Which seems to indicate there was definitely someone else involve that Y, if he was involved, handed Amy off to.

That morning, no one but the Bradley family and ship's security knew Amy was missing. No one, that is, except the bass player. According to Amy's brother Brad, the musician mentioned that he felt bad about what had happened to his sister:

"That was a really odd thing to say that early in the stages of this thing, you know. Nobody knew except for my family and I, and security, that something may be wrong."

Well, here again, it is Y, the bass player that made this strange comment. In contradiction to various other sources, including our verified insider, claiming it was the waiter. :dunno:

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mis_amy_bradley.htm

 

[Dushi]

And this quote according to the article is from Brad? thats how i read it.
More confusing than ever

 

[Sillybilly]

Well, here again, it is Y, the bass player that made this strange comment. In contradiction to various other sources, including our verified insider, claiming it was the waiter. :dunno:

<rsbm>

Might be mis-information put out to keep some POIs off-balance. Problem is, it keeps us off-balance as well

 

[neesaki]

<rsbm>

Might be mis-information put out to keep some POIs off-balance. Problem is, it keeps us off-balance as well

You may have a good point.

 

[Dushi]

You may have a good point.

Yeah but its rather unlikely Findamy would tell us a different thing if something was put out to protect the investigation don't you think?

Sometimes things get messed up in print