scrappy0122
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Im curious if the current on the bottom is the same as the current at the top?
Im curious if the current on the bottom is the same as the current at the top?
Wow that was very good info. . That hits the head on the nail . Ilike the way you think.http://tribes.tribe.net/emergencyservices/thread/dc747856-f163-4158-97ef-590fbb11ae86
Many drownings are actually homicides and first responders' observations and incident reports into them may be critical in initiating an investigation.
The initial determinations of the actual drowning incidents as accidents listed above are not uncommon. However, what we believe is uncommon is the discovery of their red flags and the ensuing investigations. How many other homicidal drowning cases are being missed? We believe far too many.
Responding EMS and fire personnel can make a critical difference in not only whether a law enforcement investigation is opened for a body-found-in-water incident, but also in whether a rightful conviction can be obtained provided the right steps are taken.
Our experience with thousands of law enforcement, dive team, fire and medical personnel across the world has convinced us that a large percentage of homicidal drowning incidents are either not sufficiently investigated or are not investigated at all.
There are several reasons for this and "tragic accident" is too common a mindset, one that can cause tunnel vision. The red flags normally found on homicide victims or at the crime scenes on land are rarely present, and law enforcement and medical personnel are not trained to recognize the red flags specific to homicidal drowning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_disposal_of_bodies_in_the_water
Many criminals dispose of bodies in a river, hoping that the body is carried away. However, this method will most likely lead to a quick detection of the body, because the body gets entangled at the side of the river, or stopped at a dam, or is simply seen floating by others. A disposal in large lakes or oceans is more likely to hide the body, but a decomposing body can develop a strong positive buoyancy due to the decomposing gases being trapped underneath the skin. This may bring the body up to the surface, or at least increase the movement across the ocean floor due to wave actions. Many bodies have washed up at the shore. Bodies have also been discovered in the nets or lines of fishermen, and occasionally, bodies are also discovered by divers.
Very cold water with little oxygen may even preserve bodies, allowing for an easier identification, as for example Margaret Hogg, the Wasdale Lady in the Lake in Wast Water lake in the Wasdale area (see National Trust Properties in England). She was found after 8 years, with her body preserved like wax.
http://books.google.com/books?id=32...k_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBYQ6AEwBTgK
(I hope that link works...there's an excerpt from a book...first few lines in the first paragraph of that page shown - Forensic Pathology Reviews, Volume 3 By Michael Tsokos page 58)
http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/22/2583683-the-smiley-face-killers
Some of the victims were allegedly held for an unknown period of time, possibly tortured, and then disposed of in a local body of water, thereby depriving investigators of valuable physical evidence of the crime.
That would explian why there was no response.The mailbox issue, according to family, was something CinV did.
I think the water levels would need to be the same level , and wether the tide was in or out. It would be just to see if it would end up any where near where she was found. Then another from 95 bridge area. An expert would be nice to talk to about this, and I talked to the dive captin and he said" I can tell you where she is not" she was not in that area .It would be hard to do that kind of experiment . I think the 95 bridge theory was the most likely based on where she was found. There are still a few missing facts .The mailbox issue, according to family, was something CinV did. Many of the friends that I have talked to that Kelly and CinV had, had said they had warned Kelly about CinV. Some had even taken Kelly in hoping she wouldn't go back to CinV because of abuse.
Also, as far as the experiment, wouldn't the conditions, water current, etc have to be the same as the day that she came up missing? I am sure that the warmer temps. would play some type of factor.
That sounds like a good start. We just keep at it until something gives. Who knows maybe we could find more evidence?At the very least, a walking experiment could be done. We could try to trace possible walks that would get us to that section of 95/river. Maybe some evidence would be found along the way. Although...as I write this, it isn't sitting well with me that she would have walked to that area.
Let me ask this...where is the first section of bridge that someone could jump or be pushed into the river, in relation to BPA?