Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #7

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I thought I would offer up something for each of you to consider given the announcement this week that Ms. Harrington was seen hitchhiking.

At the risk of sounding egotistical, which is not my intent; I can offer a little insight into what it’s like to be involved in a criminal investigation. If you read my initial first post (and thanks to truthsleuth for making me feel so welcome) you will see I had a brief career in law enforcement but left to pursue opportunities in the corporate world. I’ve had some real life experience working active investigations, but nothing on a scale such as this. Let me just tell you that in no way makes me an expert. I am impressed by so many of you who exhibit through your posts, the same logic that any good investigator needs to bring a case to a close.

A lot of you have met the most recent repot of Ms. Harrington hitchhiking with a healthy dose of skepticism. Good for you. A criminal investigation is very much like a living, breathing entity. It is always changing, growing and evolving in different directions until solved. A trained investigator goes through many different steps to achieve the end result. Some of them are from text books, some are from experience and some come from something that’s very important in police work, instinct. A lot of times a case is solved with what started as a “hunch”. This holds true for all cases, from the most mundane to the high profile one such as this. It is very important to consider what is being said in an investigation but even more so to consider what’s not being said. For example, the FBI joined the case early on but we’ve not heard much about them since. You can rule out (for now) that Ms. Harrington has been transported across state lines because no one is referring to kidnapping, even though some early reports had her being seen in another state. Often times during investigation information is released not to see what happens, but what doesn’t happen. Mis-information is a viable tool to help LE reach their conclusion in an investigation. It is used more than people could ever imagine.

This week in Virginia the Beltway Sniper, John Muhammad, was put to death. For those of you that aren’t familiar with this case I urge to research it on the web. For three weeks in October 2002 the suburbs of Washington D.C. and northern Virginia were terrified by this shooter and his partner. Montgomery County Chief of Police Charles Moose headed a three week investigation before apprehending the shooters. People were frustrated and very scared. It looked as nothing was being done. But behind the scene, Chief Moose and a task force of Federal Agents and local officers were working around the clock. Chief Moose and John Muhammad played out a mental game of chess in the public spotlight because of clues Muhammad would leave. This was a classic case of little information being released along with some released that was intentional wrong, to help catch the shooters.

You may just find some similarities in the handling of that case and Ms. Harrington’s.
 
This case is so troubling!

Here's what I can't get past:
1) If MY Dad bought tickets for ME and MY NINE friends to a SOLD OUT, much anticipated concert ... and I drove MY car... the odds of me leaving the concert and my car behind are ZIP - NADA.
2) The only one who could possibly know what Morgan said on that phone call would be one of the friends who stayed inside the concert.
3) No one can even be certain that Morgan actually made that call. The call came from that phone but we don't know that Morgan dialed that number.
4)Morgan was seen outside crying.
5)If Morgan had her phone, her mom and dad said it was very surprising that she would not have called them for a ride...
6) Why would she have called them for a ride when she had her own car?

Now the easy questions:
When I was 20, would I have worried about my safety on a cold, dark October evening in a large city I did not live in? Yes.
If I had my own car, would I have just gotten in it and locked the door? Yes.
Would I have left my purse and phone anywhere willingly? NO.
Would I have handed the keys of my own vehicle over to a gf when I had my purse with me? NO.
Do women that age ever get catty and turn on one another? Yes.

If I went to a concert with a friend that was locked outside, would I have assumed she would have just met up with someone none of us had ever heard of and hitched a ride in a different car when HER CAR WAS THERE and would I just GET IN HER CAR and LEAVE not knowing where she was? NOT IN A MILLION YEARS.

Something doesn't smell right.

All of this i agree with!
Also, the one "friend" in the video doesn't seem that upset. If they were truly such best friends, well if i had a best friend missing like that and especially if i could have done something to prevent it (her friends could have and didn't bother) i would be a emotional trainwreck mess. I wouldn't be able to focus on anything until the case had some type of closure. We don't see that with Morgan's friends. It's just another day to them it seems.. I would be pleaing to the media and apologizing and guilt tripping myself.
 
I think police have been holding on to much info/clues about the night she went missing. And they've come to a stand-still.

In order to get the case revved back up - why not release alittle more info?
Something for the public to research with?
 
I think police have been holding on to much info/clues about the night she went missing. And they've come to a stand-still.

In order to get the case revved back up - why not release alittle more info?
Something for the public to research with?

Welcome to Websleuths, redcar1.
A lot of the time the police know a lot more than we do and they can't announce new things as it can jeopardize a case.
They seem to be diligently working on it.
The lack of release info is harder on us as we're not privy to all they know, however i guess in a way it makes us stronger websleuthers as we have to dig for more info and rehash info we already have sometimes.
When we go over things again and again, sometimes we may notice something we didn't before.
Also elements of the case change, etc.

GhostMaster made a good post above.
 
Somewhere in my travels and reading all the posts for this case I read something and I am so sorry I cannot give you the exact words. It goes like this; "A good investigator takes the best piece of evidence they have and they take steps from that" . I have thought about that quite a bit and wish I could find it in its intireity.

So then the question is asked. What is the best piece of evidence we/they have?
 
I'm going to say the info from the basketball players (as that gives last sighting and mental state) but that's what the police know.. we don't

The purse/phone without battery
 
I agree with Lilacwine; the basketball players. They were the last confirmed people to speak with Morgan. The sighting was also in the parking lot where her purse and cell phone were found.
 
I'm going to say the info from the basketball players (as that gives last sighting and mental state) but that's what the police know.. we don't

The purse/phone without battery

And even this has had few details released, other than that there were no apparent signs of struggle.

Cash found or not?

Really found at R.V. lot (as timeline shows) as opposed to Cage Parking Lot (police report) or even just reported as being there by finder (who found it somewhere else...long shot)?

Does anything else qualify as the most basic piece of information known?

She was seen outside JPJ arena between 8:30 and 9:30...there was a phone call between her phone and a friend's phone at 8:48...there was at least one text afterward with a male's phone...she talked with multiple basketball players between 9:10 and 9:20...there was no contact nor confirmed sightings after 9:30, when MH was last seen on Copeley Road bridge, and at latest count, "hitchhiking"...purse found next day near that location...

Is all this even known? Not at all a criticism of LE; just going over what we know one more time.
 
I thought I would offer up something for each of you to consider given the announcement this week that Ms. Harrington was seen hitchhiking.

At the risk of sounding egotistical, which is not my intent; I can offer a little insight into what it’s like to be involved in a criminal investigation. If you read my initial first post (and thanks to truthsleuth for making me feel so welcome) you will see I had a brief career in law enforcement but left to pursue opportunities in the corporate world. I’ve had some real life experience working active investigations, but nothing on a scale such as this. Let me just tell you that in no way makes me an expert. I am impressed by so many of you who exhibit through your posts, the same logic that any good investigator needs to bring a case to a close.

A lot of you have met the most recent repot of Ms. Harrington hitchhiking with a healthy dose of skepticism. Good for you. A criminal investigation is very much like a living, breathing entity. It is always changing, growing and evolving in different directions until solved. A trained investigator goes through many different steps to achieve the end result. Some of them are from text books, some are from experience and some come from something that’s very important in police work, instinct. A lot of times a case is solved with what started as a “hunch”. This holds true for all cases, from the most mundane to the high profile one such as this. It is very important to consider what is being said in an investigation but even more so to consider what’s not being said. For example, the FBI joined the case early on but we’ve not heard much about them since. You can rule out (for now) that Ms. Harrington has been transported across state lines because no one is referring to kidnapping, even though some early reports had her being seen in another state. Often times during investigation information is released not to see what happens, but what doesn’t happen. Mis-information is a viable tool to help LE reach their conclusion in an investigation. It is used more than people could ever imagine.

This week in Virginia the Beltway Sniper, John Muhammad, was put to death. For those of you that aren’t familiar with this case I urge to research it on the web. For three weeks in October 2002 the suburbs of Washington D.C. and northern Virginia were terrified by this shooter and his partner. Montgomery County Chief of Police Charles Moose headed a three week investigation before apprehending the shooters. People were frustrated and very scared. It looked as nothing was being done. But behind the scene, Chief Moose and a task force of Federal Agents and local officers were working around the clock. Chief Moose and John Muhammad played out a mental game of chess in the public spotlight because of clues Muhammad would leave. This was a classic case of little information being released along with some released that was intentional wrong, to help catch the shooters.

You may just find some similarities in the handling of that case and Ms. Harrington’s.

True, but it was a truck driver who caught the snipers. He spotted their car at a rest stop late at night and called the police.
I'm not saying LE were not doing a lot behind the scenes, but it really had little to do with how and why the snipers were caught.

Anyway, I do agree that the hitching story could be misinformation and I do believe LE is working like crazy behind the scenes on this case. MH's dad is a doctor, and one of her best friend's dad is also a police detective from another precinct in VA and he's known MH since a kid, so there is no reason for me to believe LE would slack on MH's case.
 
I thought I would offer up something for each of you to consider given the announcement this week that Ms. Harrington was seen hitchhiking.

At the risk of sounding egotistical, which is not my intent; I can offer a little insight into what it’s like to be involved in a criminal investigation. If you read my initial first post (and thanks to truthsleuth for making me feel so welcome) you will see I had a brief career in law enforcement but left to pursue opportunities in the corporate world. I’ve had some real life experience working active investigations, but nothing on a scale such as this. Let me just tell you that in no way makes me an expert. I am impressed by so many of you who exhibit through your posts, the same logic that any good investigator needs to bring a case to a close.

A lot of you have met the most recent repot of Ms. Harrington hitchhiking with a healthy dose of skepticism. Good for you. A criminal investigation is very much like a living, breathing entity. It is always changing, growing and evolving in different directions until solved. A trained investigator goes through many different steps to achieve the end result. Some of them are from text books, some are from experience and some come from something that’s very important in police work, instinct. A lot of times a case is solved with what started as a “hunch”. This holds true for all cases, from the most mundane to the high profile one such as this. It is very important to consider what is being said in an investigation but even more so to consider what’s not being said. For example, the FBI joined the case early on but we’ve not heard much about them since. You can rule out (for now) that Ms. Harrington has been transported across state lines because no one is referring to kidnapping, even though some early reports had her being seen in another state. Often times during investigation information is released not to see what happens, but what doesn’t happen. Mis-information is a viable tool to help LE reach their conclusion in an investigation. It is used more than people could ever imagine.

This week in Virginia the Beltway Sniper, John Muhammad, was put to death. For those of you that aren’t familiar with this case I urge to research it on the web. For three weeks in October 2002 the suburbs of Washington D.C. and northern Virginia were terrified by this shooter and his partner. Montgomery County Chief of Police Charles Moose headed a three week investigation before apprehending the shooters. People were frustrated and very scared. It looked as nothing was being done. But behind the scene, Chief Moose and a task force of Federal Agents and local officers were working around the clock. Chief Moose and John Muhammad played out a mental game of chess in the public spotlight because of clues Muhammad would leave. This was a classic case of little information being released along with some released that was intentional wrong, to help catch the shooters.

You may just find some similarities in the handling of that case and Ms. Harrington’s.



thanx for your post ghostmaster ... you remind me of my dad (retired cop) with the "HUNCH", lol, but you are right. do you think all of the back and forth with the who's car was at the arena & who's phone initiated the call at 8:48 & now the hitchhiking theory are a part of a mis-information campaign? and if so, why? i understand its to, like you said to see what does and does not happen. but what could they actually be expecting to see? one of the most glaring things is the conflicting info about morgans car - le says it was her car at the arena and her dad swears that it was not??? but in the beginning le said that the car and the missing phone battery were not important. i hope you are right that they already have WAY more than it looks...maybe they want to appear like they are clueless so that the poi will feel more confident and then mess up? aaaarrrghh! thats how im feeling about it :blushing:
 
There's one thing that makes me skeptical of the hitchhiking story being a misdirection by LE. Publicly saying that Morgan engaged in what is seen as very risky behavior could be hurtful to Morgan's parents. Once something like that is out there it's hard to take back. I know the most important thing is finding Morgan and LE may be doing whatever they think it takes but as I said I'm still a little skeptical that the hitchhiking story is a ruse by LE.
 
Does anyone know if there are any traffic light cams in the area? If LE thinks she hitched a ride then she should show up in one. We have these back home.

According to a source with VA department of transportation - those cameras do not record. They are monitored and sceen shots (stills) can be taken but they are constantly being recorded over. There are also many cameras on the interstates that I asked about - those do not reocrd. They are just live web cams.
 
I know...it's not much...and raises more questions...

also, I agree that making it out to seem as though she could be hitchiking could be hurtful to the family, BUT

if a POI gave that in an interview then they HAVE to pursue it if the case goes to trial....



And even this has had few details released, other than that there were no apparent signs of struggle.

Cash found or not?

Really found at R.V. lot (as timeline shows) as opposed to Cage Parking Lot (police report) or even just reported as being there by finder (who found it somewhere else...long shot)?

Does anything else qualify as the most basic piece of information known?

She was seen outside JPJ arena between 8:30 and 9:30...there was a phone call between her phone and a friend's phone at 8:48...there was at least one text afterward with a male's phone...she talked with multiple basketball players between 9:10 and 9:20...there was no contact nor confirmed sightings after 9:30, when MH was last seen on Copeley Road bridge, and at latest count, "hitchhiking"...purse found next day near that location...

Is all this even known? Not at all a criticism of LE; just going over what we know one more time.
 
I have been pretty skeptical of the hitchhiking story (and I still am) but I have heard that MH can be seen on tapes from the banks' security cameras at the corners of Ivy/Copeley/Alderman standing at the corner of Copeley/Ivy with her thumb out, they may have seen her get into a car. When I asked if she was carrying her purse, they didn't know ...

I hope this is just more misinformation.
 
I was skeptical of the hitchhiking story, however, I am no longer. I’m also beginning to believe there is video of her getting into a vehicle as well.
 
I have been pretty skeptical of the hitchhiking story (and I still am) but I have heard that MH can be seen on tapes from the banks' security cameras at the corners of Ivy/Copeley/Alderman standing at the corner of Copeley/Ivy with her thumb out, they may have seen her get into a car. When I asked if she was carrying her purse, they didn't know ...

I hope this is just more misinformation.

Do you have a source at all?

This is kind of a key piece of information, if she was actually hitchhiking on the corner of Copeley/Ivy instead of on the bridge (not to mention if there is actual video of her). If so, then someone going west on Ivy Road/business 250 could have easily picked her up, then pulled back into traffic. He/she/they could have been heading out of town toward Crozet, Afton, I-64 interchange, Shenandoah national park, Lynchburg, Harrisonburg/JMU (via 81, not 29/33), Roanoke, Blacksburg. Wow.
 
This was from LE ... it makes sense that the bank cameras would have seen her if she made it to Ivy Rd ...

If she was picked up on Ivy Rd headed west .... then yes she could be anywhere.

I wonder if there was an attempt to grid the searches last weekend towards that direction?
 
I have been pretty skeptical of the hitchhiking story (and I still am) but I have heard that MH can be seen on tapes from the banks' security cameras at the corners of Ivy/Copeley/Alderman standing at the corner of Copeley/Ivy with her thumb out, they may have seen her get into a car. When I asked if she was carrying her purse, they didn't know ...

I hope this is just more misinformation.


You asked? So did you talk to LE?
Do you have a link because I'd love to read over the details.

It still seems hinky to me because if they had her on tape getting into a car... why no description of a car? Why not release this location of IVy/Copeley to get some leads?

VERY weird investigation
 
Sorry, no link.

LE around town are finally beginning to talk as more is released officially.

I wish I knew more ... I think we will hear more leaks in coming days
 
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