Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #8

[tamfish]

but would they share that info with the public? they seem to be releasing very little information at all. I am sure that if this happened, then of course they would know about it, but it doesn't mean we would know about it. Why they aren't releasing much info, I really don't know. It seems to be much less than in most cases. I just pray that there's a very good reason for it.

Well, I suppose they might not share that info.... but why not? It certainly would have prevented the whole "Was Morgan ever really AT the concert to begin with?" deal.

I agree there is a lot here that LE isn't making available, and that is understandable in some ways. But then again, there are things that would be helpful for the public to know -- for example, was she intoxicated or not -- that could make a HUGE difference in the way the puzzle pieces are put together......

 

[MBLover]

Wow, I would hate to the the person responsible at JPJ if they find out that not only was she denied re-entry, but she was also kicked out of the place. Woe is the person responsible for that. Check out the tapes of the Metallica show and tell me who is engaging in offensive language? The main act. Kick them out!

Yeah...but that's the "show"...that's not one person being nasty to another...KWIM?

Not saying this is what happened to MH...just another theory about what could have possibly happened.

 

[mark00]

Yeah...but that's the "show"...that's not one person being nasty to another...KWIM?

Yes, I suppose there is some difference between shouting something nasty at 16,000 people over a PA system vs. cussing the person sitting next to you...

 

[sarah7855]

Well, I suppose they might not share that info.... but why not? It certainly would have prevented the whole "Was Morgan ever really AT the concert to begin with?" deal.

I agree there is a lot here that LE isn't making available, and that is understandable in some ways. But then again, there are things that would be helpful for the public to know -- for example, was she intoxicated or not -- that could make a HUGE difference in the way the puzzle pieces are put together......

I totally agree that more info, or even just confirming some of the unconfirmed stuff out there, would be immensely helpful. Hopefully there is a really good reason to withhold so much.

***Can someone please direct me to the info regarding the purse strap being cut/torn? I just googled it and searched the last thread and couldn't find anything. Thanks in advance :blowkiss:***

 

[MBLover]

Yes, I suppose there is some difference between shouting something nasty at 16,000 people over a PA system vs. cussing the person sitting next to you...

Guess you didn't know what I meant...

It's personalized when it's one on one and that person is speaking to you and not to a group of 16,000

 

[sarah7855]

Yes, I suppose there is some difference between shouting something nasty at 16,000 people over a PA system vs. cussing the person sitting next to you...

Guess you didn't know what I meant...

It's personalized when it's one on one and that person is speaking to you and not to a group of 16,000

I doubt very seriously they'd kick her out for cursing anyhow. More likely, it was fighting or some other type of major disturbance. Heck, maybe she even lit a cigarette in there?! that would get someone kicked out.

 

[MBLover]

I doubting very seriously they'd kick her out for cursing anyhow. More likely, it was fighting or some other type of major disturbance. Heck, maybe she even lit a cigarette in there?! that would get someone kicked out.

This is true...

I guess I'm biased on this. Relating back to a situation I was in a few years ago on the grounds of a local civic center where a huge fair was taking place.

I was on my own personal cell phone with someone who I had found was cheating on me. I was very irate and my words and volume of my voice was over the top...it was behavior that was very unbecoming (I look back on it and know this - but I was in the heat of the moment and had lost my head).

Security approached me and in no uncertain terms told me that if I did not refrain from the language I was using that I would be escorted off of the grounds.

Just using my event as a possible basis for a possible scenario with MH.

But yes, could have been any number of things that could have happened IF MH was asked to leave...doesn't have to be just because of abusive language.

 

[mark00]

Guess you didn't know what I meant...

It's personalized when it's one on one and that person is speaking to you and not to a group of 16,000

OK, I see what you mean

 

[justathought]

Been wondering, if Morgan went to smoke as first reported, were cigarettes found in her purse? Or would she have just gone to the smoking area and bummed one...thus starting up an interaction with someone? Not sure that it's relevant but just curious. Her mother said she had quit smoking. The smokers on here say, maybe she had, maybe she hadn't. Smokers, I know, say that sort of venue, would have led to wanting a cigarette.
About getting outside, one theory I haven't seen advanced...in round arenas, it's easy to get disoriented after going to a bathroom, smoking area, etc. In the past (won't do it anymore), I have gone outside to "get my bearings" on where I first entered or to be able to move around more easily (less crowded) to access the portal I needed to get back to my seat. Maybe her leaving was totally innocent...not really realizing she wouldn't be able to get back in at all. Of course, we still don't know if she had her previously scanned ticket (yes, I know under the policy at this place, it wouldn't do any good but maybe she didn't quite realize that.)
I often wondered...given the noise factor for a phone call....if her friends changed/heard a comment like "I'll wait for you outside." to (I'll find a ride." It really makes no sense that she would say I'll find a ride when it was her car. However, for her friends when they couldn't find her later, fully expecting her to turn up at some point, and they left her....to say, we thought she said she would find a ride. Gives them a plausable excuse for leaving her. In the conversation, MH even though planning to wait, could have said something about trying to connect with friends in Charlottesville..after all she had her phone at that point.
Was anyone from either of her high schools playing basketball for Virginia? Or someone she might have known?

 

[sarah7855]

This is true...

I guess I'm biased on this. Relating back to a situation I was in a few years ago on the grounds of a local civic center where a huge fair was taking place.

I was on my own personal cell phone with someone who I had found was cheating on me. I was very irate and my words and volume of my voice was over the top...it was behavior that was very unbecoming (I look back on it and know this - but I was in the heat of the moment and had lost my head).

Security approached me and in no uncertain terms told me that if I did not refrain from the language I was using that I would be escorted off of the grounds.

Just using my event as a possible basis for a possible scenario with MH.

But yes, could have been any number of things that could have happened IF MH was asked to leave...doesn't have to be just because of abusive language.

true, yelling and cursing is definitely something that could get her kicked out. And I know what you mean, been there done that...it's easy to not realize just how loudly you are cursing when you lose your head like that.

 

[MeoW333]

Respecfully snipped and BBM. I hadn't thought of that one at all!! Great point! maybe there was a fight or she was being out of hand or something (it could be lots of things) and she was the only one asked to leave? That'd make me furious too. Maybe she didn't have time to get her keys as they were escorting her out, or in the heat of the moment she forgot them. Once outside, she starts trying to get back in with no luck.

Wow, this is a whole new angle to think about. I just wish with all my being that this would lead to what might have happened to her. We can figure out why she left all day long, but still doesn't help solve the real problem: where is she??

I think LE confirmed that she wasn't kicked out of the arena (or asked to leave)

If anyone has a link to the press conference with LE in the beginning they said it during that i think.

 

[Ghostmaster]

In regard to Morgan being asked to leave the arena, here is a link to an article dated Nov. 4th, 2009 that appeared in various newspapers. The VSP spokesperson, Corrinnie Geller made the following comment;

At Wednesday’s press conference, Geller shot down the rumor that Morgan might have been ejected from the Arena. “We have no information to believe,” says Geller, “that she was forced to leave or asked to leave, or anything of that nature.”

Here is the link;

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/ind...-joins-harrington-parents-new-details-emerge/

 

[MeoW333]

In regard to Morgan being asked to leave the arena, here is a link to an article dated Nov. 4th, 2009 that appeared in various newspapers. The VSP spokesperson, Corrinnie Geller made the following comment;

At Wednesday’s press conference, Geller shot down the rumor that Morgan might have been ejected from the Arena. “We have no information to believe,” says Geller, “that she was forced to leave or asked to leave, or anything of that nature.”

Here is the link;

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/ind...-joins-harrington-parents-new-details-emerge/

Thank you =) i was just looking to find a link for that! You helped me out

 

[MeoW333]

Here is the link to the 15 min 43 second press conference LE held in the beginning if anyone wants to rewatch:
YouTube- Search for Morgan Dana Harrington interview WDBJ

 

[MeoW333]

In the press conference the LE in the interview says about Morgan's friends that he urges them to take an interest in the case since they probably know her better than anyone. He says not to let it lay down and go away from their prospective; the police won't.

In the video starting at 13:15 minutes into the video:
"Finally in conclusion, i really urge her friends who know her probably better than anyone beyond her parents. You know her habits, you know her friends, take an interest in this case don't let it lay down and go away from your perspective; the police won't. But the information we recieve is about as good as we get when conducting investigations."

YouTube- Search for Morgan Dana Harrington interview WDBJ

Okay, it wasn't mentioned in the video that LE said she wasn't kicked out. I got that confused, however, Thank you to Ghostmaster for providing the link, i would have been looking everywhere!

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Personally, I'm not buying it. What else would authorities say if they are not ready to arrest them or are trying to make sure its an airtight case?

I really don't mean to accuse the basketball players but it certainly is strange they spoke with Morgan just minutes before she disappeared. Just seems a bit too coincidental to me.

I'm leaning towards Morgan having an argument with the friends once in the arena and flouncing out in irritation - especially if she was impaired and not really thinking straight. Don't believe the kiss from the friend as she went for a smoke, nor that she accidentally walked out the wrong door.

Once outside, upset, not able to gain re-entry.
Friends wouldn't give keys as she was in no shape to drive and they wanted to watch the concert.
Tried and couldn't find anyone she knew to give her a ride home
(wherever it was she wanted to go)

IMHO, she was probably abducted right near where her purse was found. She may have been grabbed, struggled to get away and purse strap torn.

But that still doesn't explain why her good friends just left her stranded outside, alone, in the cold, impaired, and no way to get home. If they thought she was to meet up with someone, she must have told them it hadn't worked out when they called at 8:48, no?

For some reason, and against the odds, I just keep feeling she is alive. Would love to be right.

The way I read the article, it is UVA people saying no connection. LE has not issued such a statement, to my knowledge.

 

[January.]

This is what I'm wondering. Since she went up to a complete stranger and basically expected him to escort her wherever it was that she was going, since he did not comply, maybe she found someone else who was willing to escort her, which I'm sure wouldn't be hard for a young girl that looked and dressed like her. Maybe that person(s) decided this was a good opportunity to take advantage of a girl who was all alone with nowhere to go.

 

[tarheellvr]

Wow, I would hate to the the person responsible at JPJ if they find out that not only was she denied re-entry, but she was also kicked out of the place. Woe is the person responsible for that. Check out the tapes of the Metallica show and tell me who is engaging in offensive language? The main act. Kick them out!

I don't want to be rude here, but "give me a break".....this was a rock concert and this is the "way it is". I've been to many over the years and Metallica's show in Charlotte was far tamer than many I've seen. I don't think it's fair to criticize Metallica's show....if you find it offensive, just don't go.

As I posted before, we had people all around us lighting cigs and all security did was immediately come and demand they be put out. We only smelled pot once or twice and only for a minute or so. The Time Warner arena in Charlotte was "crawling" with security, many of them Charlotte LE. They were heavy at the entrances, both inside and out, at every section entrance there were at least 5 or 6, and they were even stationed outside of restrooms. We saw no problems and considering the size of the arena as well as size of the crowd, I look at this as security doing a darn good job.

To get kicked out would take a lot and it would have to be something major. I know...been there done that many, many times and I've only seen a few evictions over the years for serious fighting, weapons, open and continued use of drugs. Even at outdoor arenas, people sit on the hill and smoke pot all night long and consume alcohol until they can barely stand and they never get ejected. For this reason, I have never thought Morgan was evicted from the arena. She left on her own. She didn't just wander outside. She didn't go out to smoke...there was a balcony for smokers. Also, Morgan was a somewhat "seasoned" concert goer....she knew the arenas as well as the policies. While exiting, she would have seen many, many signs, and she would have been warned by security. She went outside for a reason.....and for me, this is the biggest question of all. What was her motivation for going outside?

 

[Track292008]

This is what I'm wondering. Since she went up to a complete stranger and basically expected him to escort her wherever it was that she was going, since he did not comply, maybe she found someone else who was willing to escort her, which I'm sure wouldn't be hard for a young girl that looked and dressed like her. Maybe that person(s) decided this was a good opportunity to take advantage of a girl who was all alone with nowhere to go.

Well said! Provided we know for sure that she approached "a complete stranger," this may be exactly what happened -- regardless of how she got there. Hasn't LE said continually that they're more interested in what happened outside the arena rather than what happened inside?

 

[Le Singe]

Damn that's horrible!! I thought UNC was bad for catering to the athletes...but UVA's is barely over 50% grad rate!! Da*n

actually the only way this information would be meaningful one way or the other would be if you had the graduation rate for students at the university in general I doubt many big state schools are over 70% in this respect (and if I had to guess I would guess most are less) I know plenty of people that at one time or another attended college but did not finish.

Another issue is how these statistics are kept can be controversial. As of 5 years ago for sure (and as far as I know still today) if a athlete started at a school then transferred to another school and graduated eventually the way the NCAA records are kept this student would be counted as a student that did not graduate in the numbers for the first school (athletes transfer somewhat more than regular students if they think they can get more pt elsewhere, or if they have a falling out with the coach etc.).