GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #2

[matou]

I haven't seen anything about what was found with him in the media. I know the septic tank technician said he saw clothes in the tank and that is all he was comfortable saying on camera.

 

[wendybtn]

What if the whole boots and coat thing was her way of shoring up the "he was ok Sunday am when I went to sleep, because he was with me when I brought Dad to work". What kid doesn't immediately shed their coat and boots onto the floor as soo. As they walk inside? I'm forever picking up shoes and socks just inside the front door.

I am not convinced Noah and the baby went with their folks to take Dad to work. I thought Wednesday LE stated the last time Noah was seen in public was on a Saturday night outing. I know there is something about what he was wearing Sunday morning but I don't recall seeing a link with that.

 

[JeannaT]

Dee, where did you hear/read the pokemon tin was found with him?

 

[2Hope4]

http://www.southwesttimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/WEB-biohazard-suit-copy.jpg

 

[DeeMarie]

That's interesting...I hadn't seen that it was found with him.

The NCMEC page mentioned a tin of pokemon cards in the description IIRC.
I will try to find other articles with this info..

 

[wendybtn]

Agreed- they could have a relative/friend to address the public. They could read statements from the parents expressing their feelings, maybe thanks for all the LE and community support-etc..
I think they have a lawyer and they are being told not to say anything.

I thought the sister and brother-in-law were doing some of this?

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

I don't see it in the same way you do. I don't want to see grief for pleasure. I don't necessarily want to visually see grieving parents.
It can be a clue as to what happened, when you don't see grief happening. Guilty parties hide away, grieving people don't think about anything more than their grief. They don't worry about being seen in tears. It's also been told that it can help the public to get involved emotionally, which can help solve the case, if they can put faces to the family, relate to them.

This makes me question why this isn't happening here. Not saying it's a definite indicator that the parents are involved, but it's unusual to not rally for your child in public when you are desperate for information leading to his whereabouts. After they found him, I understand not seeing them on camera. But when he was just "Missing" - I would expect a representative from the family to make a statement or plea to find the child.

I have been upset this morning after reading the term "grief *advertiser censored*". It doesn't seem to have a place here with these dedicated great sleuthers. Everyone has an opinion and some people believe the parents or a spokesperson should have made a plea/statement while others do not. Either opinion should not have a label put on it IMO Personally I had to turn the channel when I saw Hannah Graham's parents on TV - their grief was palpable and I could not watch them.

I wonder the age of the parents. If they are really young, then maybe they have no idea what to do and that is why the Sheriff has become their buffer of sorts. Or, if they have a lawyer, then it puts a whole new spin on things. JMO on all of the above.

 

[wendybtn]

If NT was put into the septic on Sunday morning sometime.. and not found and autopsied until Friday.. would the autopsy be able to distinguish the time of death within such accuracy as to know whether he became deceased Sunday morning, or say, Saturday night? (Personally, I doubt it?)

Stomach contents may help narrow it down to a 2-6 hour window, IMO.

 

[courtneyb]

I have been upset this morning after reading the term "grief *advertiser censored*". It doesn't seem to have a place here with these dedicated great sleuthers. Everyone has an opinion and some people believe the parents or a spokesperson should have made a plea/statement while others do not. Either opinion should not have a label put on it IMO Personally I had to turn the channel when I saw Hannah Graham's parents on TV - their grief was palpable and I could not watch them.

I wonder the age of the parents. If they are really young, then maybe they have no idea what to do and that is why the Sheriff has become their buffer of sorts. Or, if they have a lawyer, then it puts a whole new spin on things. JMO on all of the above.

Mom is about 31, dad is a year or two older

 

[vasportsmom]

I thought the sister and brother-in-law were doing some of this?

That was Paul's sister and brother.


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[DeeMarie]

Dee, where did you hear/read the pokemon tin was found with him?

It was on the poster for missing kids - the poster has been removed.
My apologies the description says he was last seen carrying a tin of Pokemon cards.- not that he was found with it...

http://www.missingkids.com/poster/USVA/VA15-0671/1 Noah's missing poster
Missing Since:
Mar 22, 2015

Noah was last seen March 22, 2015. He was wearing a camouflage jacket, black and yellow pants, and Spiderman boots. He was carrying a tin of Pokemon cards.

 

[winterrose]

LE does not owe us any information. It is not their job to satiate our want for information. They have a body, they have an autopsy, they are not the only law enforcement involved. Don't you think an investigation involving the FBI a d other agencies, is probably quiet for a reason? I don't think they really give a flip right now what anyone is thinking.

They also have a community waiting to hear if there's someone in their community that's possibly killed a child. Part of their job is keeping them informed of what's happened there. I'm sure there's many people waiting to hear. He could do a presser to let everyone know if he was killed, or an accident, if that's been determined yet. If not, then there's really nothing to report, if all the tests aren't in. That Sheriff appears to be a little touchy with the media, but that shouldn't stop him from communicating with the public. Actually the Sheriff should give a flip since he's an elected official.

 

[Tillicum]

I don't see it in the same way you do. I don't want to see grief for pleasure. I don't necessarily want to visually see grieving parents.
It can be a clue as to what happened, when you don't see grief happening. Guilty parties hide away, grieving people don't think about anything more than their grief. They don't worry about being seen in tears. It's also been told that it can help the public to get involved emotionally, which can help solve the case, if they can put faces to the family, relate to them.

This makes me question why this isn't happening here. Not saying it's a definite indicator that the parents are involved, but it's unusual to not rally for your child in public when you are desperate for information leading to his whereabouts. After they found him, I understand not seeing them on camera. But when he was just "Missing" - I would expect a representative from the family to make a statement or plea to find the child.

From Mark Klaas

"I have long believed that the parents have a duty to advocate on behalf of their missing children. Even if you are paralyzed by grief and fear it is important to find the strength within to be there for your child. You want to get the public invested and you want to ensure that law enforcement maintains an aggressive and active investigation."

 

[winterrose]

Thanks button is not enough. So sick of the self righteous grief trolls.

Actually, not sure who came up with that term, "grief *advertiser censored*", it's pretty immature and silly, but I like to watch parents reactions to see if they're involved, because they usually are, more than not. I"m not interested in seeing anyone's grief, as most people aren't.

 

[passionflower]

I just keep wondering what that morning was like, was Noah awake and walk to the car to take daddy to work? or was he carried to the car still sleeping and put in his carseat? was baby awake? baby could be sleeping the whole time, taken to the car asleep and sleep in the car. Mommy and Daddy are awake safe to say right? daddy is dropped off at work,who drives the car to work? mommy drives home, does she stop anywhere? Is Noah awake on the ride home? did he fall asleep in the car? is he chatting away? when they get home do they eat? Is baby awake now? how active was Noah? was he full from eating and kinda sleepy wake watching cartoons? how was mommy napping? was baby on her chest? in a crib? in the same room? exactly how much time goes by?

Honestly for some reason I am not buying the mom sleeping story. I might get into trouble, but I think an accident happened he night before.

 

[wendybtn]

There was a case of a maybe 6-8 month old infant in metro Atlanta back in the early 1990s named "Haley" I think. I was busy but had been hearing bits and pieces all week about it. I finally got to sit down one evening and watch an interview with the parents on the local news. I knew within 30 seconds of watching it, that the father did it, mom not involved. He was arrested a few days later after leading LE to her body. Body language can speak volumes.

Haley Hardwick was the child's name. Kenny Hardwick is her father and he is serving LWOP at Valdosta State Prison. There is a book about the case now.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I'll never forget reading John Walsh's take on this. He has experienced this - we haven't. His take was that it is the public who craves seeing the grief of the parents, and his wife Reve would put her face out there in order to keep Adam's story in the news, as the reporters shouted gruesome things about her missing son so that she would vomit and they could take close up pictures. Sharon Rocha describing how she did not want to be on camera and the family all shirking the responsibility of it so she was all that was left, even though it half killed her to do it. Think about why you guys want to see that kind of grief *advertiser censored* and demand it of the parents. Since I don't know what it feels like to be in that position, I listen to the people who have been there and they describe that process as horrific. It disgusts me when a child is killed and people immediately judge the appearance of the griefstricken on camera. I also think about Terri Horman who looked thrilled to put on a grief show for the cameras. It's all so disgusting.

Wow....Was it that much different in 1981? It was accepted back then for newspapers to do something like that? It's extremely hard for me to imagine that happening today. It seems almost hard to believe.

 

[DeeMarie]

This 4 year old girl sneaked out of the house and got on a bus at 3 in the morning -- she wanted to go get a slushie..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...incoat-sneaks-house-hops-bus-slushie-3AM.html

 

[wendybtn]

The only thing keeping me on the fence of this being an accident, or another child being involved/knowing what happened, is the fact as far as we know the parents still have custody of their other baby AFAIK. I do think that there is a chance this could be an accident, but some things give me pause. I blame that on WS, because so many cases with these babies involve parents.

My biggest thing is if he was put in there alive, on purpose, it would never come to light, it would look like an accident unless there was a confession. And that is possibly the worst sentenxe I have ever had to type out on webslueths...breaks my heart to think about that.

It is almost always the parents when it is a child 3 & under. There are cases like Eliza Delacruz, but they are the exceptions. When the kids are 4-7 it is often still the parents, but the child's world has widened and the chances of outside the family adults being involved increases at different rates for different kids in different settings.

 

[DeeMarie]

Honestly for some reason I am not buying the mom sleeping story. I might get into trouble, but I think an accident happened he night before.

agreed.
No one outside the family saw him in public after their Saturday night outing..

"Noah was in school on Friday, and video surveillance shows the family out in public on Saturday evening, Davis said. White and Thomas are Noah’s biological parents, according to Anthony Akers, assistant county administrator for Pulaski County.
“We have family statements, and their timeline, and we have that to work with. Noah was alive and well on the evening before,” Davis said earlier Thursday."


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