GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #5

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Scooch on over weirdos, I'm joining you.

I think Tabitha probably has/had good intentions and was really pulling for Noah, but I've seen this in other cases where someone in the community with peripheral contact with the missing person makes the case about them. Not just posting helpful info like we see with CourtneyB but with the emotional impact and how it personally effects them. I think there is a specific personality type who makes everything all about them in pretty much any situation, despite how horrific the reality of the situation.
 
vasportsmom said:
Can anyone recall another case where we never laid eyes on the parents until mugshots (or was the courthouse video first)?


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I think it's likely LE prevented them from media appearances. It's so obvious just looking at them that they have a drug addiction. The sheriff knew it would make the rumor mill go into overdrive. Plus, the sheriff didn't want it getting out that the other child had been removed and a media appearance would have involved reporters asking questions.

Before people get upset about my comment that they're obviously addicts, keep in mind that I am a nurse specializing in substance abuse treatment. I know what addicts look like. Even though I don't think it takes any special qualifications to see it usually!
 
Steleheart said:
BBM;

~ When I first saw and questioned the timeframe I was cautious. I hope that I did not come off as critical but it was worth inquiring about. Then I noticed how this particular admin had been so deeply effected that it almost became totally about her even on her own personal FB page. When I see that in a case it gives me pause, however...

~ The page is wonderful, the involvement, the tributes and all. People are genuinely devastated and that is clear.


Do people grieve in different ways? Absolutely, but when something seems off we need to use critical thinking to resolve it. To be honest I smelled fish when the admins first posted their bios. Not here, mind you, but on the page there.

You have been so helpful and such an asset in this case here and I am sure everyone agrees. So I feel badly that so often insiders or members with familiarity in a particular case end up feeling maligned.

So now I am reviewing that part of the page and since it is written in third person I feel it is possible that whoever wrote it got the dates of her residence wrong. So just being objective I am willing to give the benefit. Maybe the color thing is actually a fact that kids change their fav color often, LOL. I remember such with my own 2.

The grave thing, is a bit much but the saddest part is that Noaha's own parents are in jail and strangers are doing everything.

https://www.facebook.com/findmissingnoahthomas?fref=ts

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It's getting crowded at the weirdo table and that's ok. [emoji57]

I totally understand why you and others questioned it. I would have too. I even went to Angel and said, "Are you sure? Don't you dare make me look like an idiot or a liar!" And so all I could do was reiterate what she told me. My feelings were not damaged in the least. If I had no 3rd party connection, I would have still read intently, felt and hurt like I have over this poor boy. I had what I knew to be reliable info to share and so my involvement was visible. I would have still had the personal involvement in the case; you just wouldn't have seen it.

Someone accused me of waiting until I could "drop the mother lode of Information" like I was just licking my chops hoping they found him dead and arrested the parents. THAT disgusted me. Your inquiry was nothing like that.

I agree and envy your objectivity about the color issue and the grieving process being different for each person. The most innocent explanation could be the truth but the whole thing, to me, has just become macabre.

I just want someone to act in a way that seems on my spectrum of "normal" to me in this case, including LE.


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Steleheart said:
BBM;

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The grave thing, is a bit much but the saddest part is that Noaha's own parents are in jail and strangers are doing everything.
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I agree with your whole comment. I quoted because only to say this. It is truly sad that for whatever evidence the LEO had to arrest the Parents as the charges allege. I say alleged because they haven't been convicted yet. But I feel they have something to back it up. But JMO, I feel that strangers would be doing the same thing, or would hope because of the same reason as now (even if the parents were not in jail). They knew Noah to some extension or it touched their heart of his tragic death. JMO, I have many friends from many diff paths and connections thru my life. And so do my children and grandchildren. Each with a personal memory for all they know. So any one of us that (hate even typing this) if one of us was to meet our end of life, there would be many, to share their memories of *advertiser censored*. And heaven forbid it be of a tragic nature, as we seen in so many of these cases if not all, people who didn't even know the victim, but were touched by whatever reason, and that is where we see as in this case Strangers doing stuff in memory of Noah. I don't take it as if they are the only ones who cared for this child of God. For that's not the truth. We see this because they are on social media sharing it. I feel positive there are many who knew or knew of Noah that are heartbroken. Even if its just the lady/man at a local store that they frequent.
 
And one thing about the favorite color that bothers me is that if someone had picked a blue (ugh) "theme" for a child's funeral and carried it out and it was made a big deal of in the news, and I was POSITIVE that the child's favorite color was orange, not blue, then-

I would keep my mouth shut and not continuously post pictures and "proof" that blue was not his favorite color.

A bit of dignity here? What is there to gain by doing so?


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That's that narcissism that gives me pause - it turned the page into Bizarro World in some ways.
 
Jmo I almost hope they ARE addicts, if they did the unforgivable and put Noah in that sewer. At least I could think the drugs addled their brains, to some extent. But it is still unforgivable.
 
courtneyb said:
My mom always read true crime and I caught the reading bug early. I was reading her books probably at too early of an age, but you couldn't stop me. I just craved information.

The first story I read that stuck with me was Darlie Routier. And I hate that her name is attached to that..instead of Damon and Devon, the year after I graduated high school. I was horrified that a mom could do that. I think that was my first adult recognition that not all mommys and daddy's are the safe haven that my parents were.

I read a LOT here on WS, post occasionally. I was intently following Noah's case... He reminded me so much of my 4 year old boy, smiling, big for his age, mischievous bordering on just plain bad, haha. But personality for days and everyone is just drawn to him. Then I saw Angel post his missing flyer on fb and told her I was following his story and then learned of the connection she had to Noah.

I try not to let emotions get the better of me, and most of the time I can remain distant and objective. But every now and then, one just GETS me and hurts and consumes me and I guess it's good to be reminded of my humanity. But when it happens, it hurts. And this hurts.


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OMG lol same here! My MOM! When I was little, her and my aunt (her sis in law) would read and share those True Detective mags. Then later buy books. I too read them. And yes I remb one of my first was that case on Darlie!!! Another one that got me was Diane Downs! I had a newborn when Diane shot her 3 kids! I guess that was the first case I followed much in the news as an adult. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs

And I totally understand what you mean about one GETTING to ya. The case of Ronald Gene Simmons who killed his whole family in Dover AR. At CHRISTMAS! Then killed some others! THAT one .. I know a retired guard that worked in the area with RGS. He told us stories that would make skin crawl. He not the type to make up stuff lol. REAL STRICT on stuff (friend) That case got to me bad.
 
vasportsmom said:
If you could get one questioned answered what would it be?
I want to know if the darn Pokemon cards really were missing according to the parents.
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Good question ..My question would be "why, oh why, did Noah have to die.."

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arkansasmimi said:
I have to agree with ya on that one about it being strange. Compared to what we are use to seeing ... forever I guess when someone has gone missing. Even in the days before social media. Then we have the Susan Smith type.... or what was the family that was wrongly accused but the child has still never been found? A baby I think.. gosh mind went blank. I am like everyone else, if my family member was missing, I would def hope I would have the strength to stand up or at least sit in a chair and plead for their return. So I guess, this case for what ever reason they didn't, can be a first on that page ...
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Sabrina Aisenberg?
(Though not all would call them wrongly accused.)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...24-Nov-1997/page7&highlight=sabrina+aisenberg
 
Hey all,
I am joining you all at the table!
Some questions I have.
1. Was Noah with them when Paul went to work Sunday?
2. Did she tell Paul he went missing?
3. If so, Where was Paul when he was notified Noah was missing? (Thinking though, he should have been at work, right? Was he?)
4. Since he really didn't go missing, was Paul there when it happened? Not sure if the truth will come out on this.
5. What was with Noah when he was found?
6. Who is responsible?
7. Are the drug users?
8. When and how did he die? I am sure he suffered in life, but pray he didn't suffer in death. I hate saying that, but I pray that it was quick and painless.

I am sure I have more and I anticipate not getting answers especially anytime soon. But, keeping this thread going and Justice for Noah is what we can all do in the meantime.
 
courtneyb said:
Does anyone find it strange that it was reported in the news that Noah's favorite color was blue? Blue casket, blue flowers, etc. It was really stressed that he loved blue.

But, Tabitha has posted over and over about Noah's favorite color being orange.. And how she made him an orange birthday cake, because orange was his favorite color?
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Sounds to me like the parents didn't know. Tabitha also said, in the summer it would be ten at night before Ashley would call for him to come home. It is all so odd.
 
ANonyMs said:
Right???? Such a ridiculous idea that 20 minutes is ok. In any case, I think that story was from a babysitter, not a parent as she never referred to the 3 year old as her child. I would have had a field day if I found a sitter had done that. All for her cell phone.
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I am an only child, so I wasn't raised around many babies. My mom and some other moms, took turns running carpool. One of the moms had a six month old. I loved it when she picked us up, because I got to sit and interact with the baby. One day she came and she was alone, I of course asked where the baby was and she said he had been napping and she just left him to sleep, because she knew she would only be gone 30 minutes. I remember being so upset and I was only about seven, myself. I got home and just cried and cried to my mom that anything could have happened to him. Car accident, fire or all manner of things. Thankfully, he was fine but I know my mom had a long talk with her, and to our knowledge it didn't happen again. It is funny to think it has been almost 40 years and I still remember that so clearly.
 
vasportsmom said:
If you could get one questioned answered what would it be?
I want to know if the darn Pokemon cards really were missing according to the parents.


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Who put little Noah in the septic tank?

I would also like to know where PT was when LE arrived at then home.
I would also like to hear that 911 call please!
 
Tallula.Belle said:
Sounds to me like the parents didn't know. Tabitha also said, in the summer it would be ten at night before Ashley would call for him to come home. It is all so odd.
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I don't pay too much attention to what she says, it's getting a little bizarre over there. He was probably only about 4 in that timeframe and kids colors always change at that age.
 
vasportsmom said:
If you could get one questioned answered what would it be?
I want to know if the darn Pokemon cards really were missing according to the parents.


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One question - was the septic tank lid buried underground and/or bolted to the pipe?

As for the Pokemon cards, I want to know if they really existed!

Maybe I'm just suspicious, but from what I've read about Noah's home life (parents leaving him unattended in the garden for hours, neighbours feeding him, Noah staying out with neighbours till 10pm etc), I wonder if the cards were made up to make the parents look nice. To give the impression Noah was treated to special things or to make it look like the parents actually knew what his favourite thing was and made sure he had things he wanted. It puts them in a better light (especially when people are saying that they never saw the parents with him outside, and parents just text for people to send him home, rather than showing any interest).

Also, if you plant an item as missing, and nobody can find it (as it doesn't exist), it adds weight to the disappearance story. The cards are definitely not in the house or garden, therefore neither is Noah as he definitely had them when he was last seen.

But I am the most cynical person in the world!

Other questions I would love to have answered - what made them take the baby away so quickly? Did Dad really go to work that day?
 
iamnotagolem said:
Scooch on over weirdos, I'm joining you.

I think Tabitha probably has/had good intentions and was really pulling for Noah, but I've seen this in other cases where someone in the community with peripheral contact with the missing person makes the case about them. Not just posting helpful info like we see with CourtneyB but with the emotional impact and how it personally effects them. I think there is a specific personality type who makes everything all about them in pretty much any situation, despite how horrific the reality of the situation.
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Not sure if the name has travelled beyond the UK, but we call that type of person a "grief wh**e". Not a nice term, but I guess it sums it up - someone who gets over-involved in a tragic situation for the attention they gain from it, or to feel important or gain a type of status they wouldn't normally have. Not always intentionally.

The photos of the child at the grave so soon after Noah was buried, bothered me. I'd be concerned about that little one personally. Its not a theme park or a place to go for fun, its the final resting place of a tragic little boy, and I don't think it is a place for his friends, certainly not this soon. They can't process what has happened, and it should be explained sensitively and in private. I just felt very uneasy about all of grave side visiting. I just wonder if some of these people were so quick to visit Noah when he was alive. Sorry if that offends.
 
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