All of the B family, and all of their troop of supporters, were there every single day, day in and day out, for the entire duration of the trial. They heard *everything*. Every detail that the jury wasn't allowed to hear, everything that wasn't allowed to be reported publicly, everything that was pub banned. This would have given them a lot of material to follow up on in support of their civil suit. ie if discussions were held, which I am sure that they were, in the absence of the jury regarding who did what to assist whom at which times. I wonder if MB is still believing her son is a genius.
Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder #3
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All of the B family, and all of their troop of supporters, were there every single day, day in and day out, for the entire duration of the trial. They heard *everything*. Every detail that the jury wasn't allowed to hear, everything that wasn't allowed to be reported publicly, everything that was pub banned. This would have given them a lot of material to follow up on in support of their civil suit. ie if discussions were held, which I am sure that they were, in the absence of the jury regarding who did what to assist whom at which times. I wonder if MB is still believing her son is a genius.
Well, well.
http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/dellen-millard-seeking-legal-aid-for-upcoming-murder-trials-1.3125715
Interesting bits, including DM applying for Legal Aid and desiring to be tried separately from Smich in the LB trial. May represent himself at the 2018 trial for WM.
Interesting bits, including DM applying for Legal Aid and desiring to be tried separately from Smich in the LB trial. May represent himself at the 2018 trial for WM.
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"Diligence takes time your honour," Millard said.
What is taking up so much of his time behind bars that he can't find a lawyer? I'd be inclined to think that he has nothing but time to mull over his decisions.
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I find the most interesting part is that he wants to be tried separately from Smich. I guess the love affair really is over. LOL
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DM is doing everything possible to stretch this out as long as possible...preliminary inquiry and two separate trials for LB?
The only way he can get out of this IMO is on a technicality like undue time until trial.
What a weasel.
The only way he can get out of this IMO is on a technicality like undue time until trial.
What a weasel.
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If I was MS I'd be looking to get a severance as well- it's ironic that DM wants one. IMHO, he's simply exerting his spoiled brat rich solo kid temperament upon the courts. Surprised that MB hasn't scurried into the Courts to release a bit more of WM's money. And his preference is for RP to take on the early work. Wonder why RP isn't representing him all the way?
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I'm not sure how you are privy to the family's personal finances to the extent of knowing how much MB loaned him for the Distillery condo, but perhaps you could also confirm if there were any loans taken out against any of the other properties and/or when they were all paid off entirely, and how much was left over from the sales after any real estate commissions or fees were deducted.
I was perhaps incorrectly assuming that WM's estate would have been included in the receivership since he can't collect on it, at least not until that trial is over. If the estate does have millions in it though, I have to wonder why, when WM took out that $3 loan to finish the hanger, why his estate wouldn't have repaid it. Instead, the properties had to be sold off to repay the loan. If DM can't inherit the business because of the murder charge, then why is he responsible for the business's debt?
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6918565-the-tangled-financial-web-of-bosma-killer-dellen-millard/
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Interesting. I wonder why the Star article last week said he had been denied legal aid. Poor choice of wording, perhaps?
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Personally, I was surprised they didn't separate for the Bosma trial too. I can't remember if they tried but were turned down.
It makes perfect sense for DM to want to sever the LB trial. Remember what happened in the TB trial? MS testified all day long, against DM, and DM could not respond.. except through the mouth of his lawyer during closing arguments, and while his lawyer cross examined MS. DM was *dying* to get up there and lay the blame on MS, but he couldn't, because of what he would have opened himself up to. If however, the trials were separate, he could testify against MS all he liked, spinning webs of fantasy, saying he is a 'witness', and all without opening himself up to character evidence.
http://criminalnotebook.ca/index.php/Joinder_and_Severance_of_Charges
As I understand it, when WM took out the loan to finish the hangar, it was anticipated by himself and the banks, that the seemingly viable business income to be derived from the completion of the hangar would pay off that loan eventually. The loan became payable because DM got rid of the business as soon as WM was deceased. Therefore, DM had to scramble to pay off the loan that the bank was no longer willing to hold. Methinks DM thought he could have his cake and eat it too, but once again, his genius fell short, and he was stuck with having to repay a huge loan with no way to get revenue out of the business the loan was supposed to fund. It was his own lack of thinking things through fully that led to his having to come up with that money another way. Poor DM.
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And this is why I shake my head when people constantly say.... He's rich! Why didn't he just buy a truck? He has so much money. Everyone made him out to be so wealthy IMO. He had people fooled, including his minions.
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The Distillery Condo came up during the trial. IIRC, and I will provide the proper link if necessary, but DM was delayed in closing the condo-thus the phone calls to LW the night of TB's murder. That was coupled in with the text message to Rabbit aka MB about getting the money- the 400K along with having to get a high interest mortgage for the balance. The evidence indicated that MB had to obtain a LOC for the 400K and that was the max she could get.
As far as WM's estate goes, on the day that WM died he owned half of Maple Gate, had a 1 million dollar mortgage on Riverside plus the millions he had invested in the hangar. The LOC that he took out in September/12 was to finish the hangar off, equip it, maintain payroll etc. MOO
It is all just so ironic.
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Not sure why people are so quick to proclaim the Millards have no money. There is way too much missing information to make that call.
First off, no one has produced a comprehensive list of Wayne's assets. Did he really sink everything he had into the new business?
Second, based on the information available, the $3.8 million loan mentioned at the Bosma trial has been paid off. Unless there are other loans, which there may well be, then a little basic arithmetic shows several million still in the kitty.
Presumably the civil lawyers believe there's money to be had, or they wouldn't be advising the Bosmas to pursue this case.
Also, why did Legal Aid deny Millard's claim, as the Toronto Star reported?
First off, no one has produced a comprehensive list of Wayne's assets. Did he really sink everything he had into the new business?
Second, based on the information available, the $3.8 million loan mentioned at the Bosma trial has been paid off. Unless there are other loans, which there may well be, then a little basic arithmetic shows several million still in the kitty.
Presumably the civil lawyers believe there's money to be had, or they wouldn't be advising the Bosmas to pursue this case.
Also, why did Legal Aid deny Millard's claim, as the Toronto Star reported?
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If the author of the comment is on WS, just want to say :clap:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...-to-apply-for-legal-aid-in-two-murder-trials/
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...-to-apply-for-legal-aid-in-two-murder-trials/
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Considering DM has said himself to his mother about the huge debt Wayne left him and how he told AM the amount of money he'd need to earn monthly, it's not necessarily an assumption.
Add to that the money he did have was likely tied up in properties and owed for debts since we have all heard he didn't like to pay up. In daily life to have access to cash flow he'd have to sell off his assets.
What he has transferred to his mother I would assume is untouchable now.
Besides that none of this was exactly his money. On paper only because he didn't earn a cent of it.
As for the legal aid financially his income had to be lower then 21,438. I wouldn't call that having "money". The poverty line in Ontario is $19k. He didn't have to make a whole lot to be disqualified financially. Jmo
http://www.legalaid.on.ca/en/getting/eligibility.asp
Add to that the money he did have was likely tied up in properties and owed for debts since we have all heard he didn't like to pay up. In daily life to have access to cash flow he'd have to sell off his assets.
What he has transferred to his mother I would assume is untouchable now.
Besides that none of this was exactly his money. On paper only because he didn't earn a cent of it.
As for the legal aid financially his income had to be lower then 21,438. I wouldn't call that having "money". The poverty line in Ontario is $19k. He didn't have to make a whole lot to be disqualified financially. Jmo
http://www.legalaid.on.ca/en/getting/eligibility.asp
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So now that we know what the hangar went for, we know that DM had about $10.5M in property that sold after his arrest.
About $2.9M tied up in WM's estate?
There were outstanding debts of $5.2M at the time of DM's arrest?
That takes DM down to about $2.5M.
$1.2M for legal fees and $1M in taxes owed? That just about takes care of it.
I don't think DM has much money left, but there is money in WM's estate perhaps. I don't know if the Bosmas can get at that though.
About $2.9M tied up in WM's estate?
There were outstanding debts of $5.2M at the time of DM's arrest?
That takes DM down to about $2.5M.
$1.2M for legal fees and $1M in taxes owed? That just about takes care of it.
I don't think DM has much money left, but there is money in WM's estate perhaps. I don't know if the Bosmas can get at that though.