Verdict Watch

[DogWood]

Are you talking about AL? I didn't know she was retiring. Although I did wonder, after her third crime book and all. I hope she is going to write a lot more crime books, maybe some on the N.C. murdered children, especially Teghan Skiba.

Yes, AL.

I'm sure she didn't know you could watch the behind the scene stuff on the feed still.

And in fairness, when she said they want her to go after the jury tomorrow - she did say all she could really do is go to the door...leave a card and # if they won't answer.

 

[diphi]

How badly does BC wish he went second right about now?

I wonder, with the repeated concerns about the media, if the flack over the BC verdict/trial publicity has had an effect on any of these jurors. I noted they asked about security/media again on the day of closings--when people were standing in the back and against the wall to hear arguments.
It may not have had any effect on their deliberations, but it certainly impacted how JS paced this trial. MOO

I wonder, too. It would make sense to me that they all were very sensitive to reactions of the BC trial. Maybe they were just too close together for people to forget.

I didn't follow this case in detail, but I did follow the trial a bit. Yeah, I know this won't be popular, but I can see how a juror, with the limited info they have, would have doubts.

IMO

 

[gracielee]

Yes, AL.

I'm sure she didn't know you could watch the behind the scene stuff on the feed still.

And in fairness, when she said they want her to go after the jury tomorrow - she did say all she could really do is go to the door...leave a card and # if they won't answer.

Yes, one of my pet peeves is a lack of local investigative reporters. Although I do like what's her name, on WRAL? That woman who goes after businesses and people involved in scams and such? AL always appears very sweet, certainly not someone to run after somebody to hunt 'em down and question 'em. I remember it bothered me when nobody could 'get to' Ann Miller once she moved to Wilmington.

 

[gracielee]

I wonder, too. It would make sense to me that they all were very sensitive to reactions of the BC trial. Maybe they were just too close together for people to forget.

I didn't follow this case in detail, but I did follow the trial a bit. Yeah, I know this won't be popular, but I can see how a juror, with the limited info they have, would have doubts.

IMO

Granted, we are no longer in Raleigh, but I really haven't heard any more about the Brad Cooper trial since the verdict came down? Has it been in the news? We don't get the N&O anymore. They don't include the ads and coupons in the version we received out here in the boonies, so I canceled the paper. But we do watch either WRAL or WTVD news everyday and I follow the channels online.

 

[borndem]

We are having horrendous thunderstorms out this way, fran. Our Direct Tv just went out. Hope we don't lose power too.

We're not getting diddly in West Raleigh.

And man oh man, do we need a good, soaky rain.... A tad of thunder, a bit of lightning and about 1/16 inch of rain. And th-th-th-that's all, folks.

 

[gracielee]

We had one big downpour. Could use a lot more, but at least we got enough to green up the grass and give the vegetable gardens a bit of water. We're dog-sitting this week. Our kids and grandkids all went to Atlantic Beach for the week.

 

[RaleighNative]

Has anyone found out for certain which way the 8/4 split went? If two jurors changed their minds in just a few hours, I would think it is more likely they moved from G to NG. SO my guess would be 8 NG 4 G.

However, I must admit, after watching this trial and the BC trial I've been shocked by the jury decisions. So I'm not exactly good at predicting these things.

While a bit frustrating since I believe JY is guilty based on the evidence, I do not have an issue with a jury being deadlocked. I'm certainly not going to criticize this jury for debating, having different opinions, and standing their ground on their opinion of the evidence.

What did AL say when she didn't realize she was on camera? That woman annoys the h@ll out of me.

 

[borndem]

I'm just hoping his bond is >$1,000,000.
Pat has some land i'm quite sure she is willing to attach.

Does his status w/regard to jail revert to his original arrest, or are we in a new ballgame now?

I have certainly seen arrest warrants (like Williford in Taft) say "no bond allowed" signed by JS, in fact.

I don't want this murdering to get out of there for a day.... (MOO)

 

[borndem]

WRAL - TV - has a special - 7:00 to 7:300 tonight on the JY case.

 

[No Coincidence]

Hi friends,
I'd like to start first by saying my heart goes out to LF and MF. I am sure they would do it 100 times if it meant JY would go to prison for life, but I am sad that they have to go through this again. God doesn't give anyone more than they can handle... With that being said, I can't say I'm overly shocked at the mistrial. The prosecution had evidence, but I am not thoroughly convinced they linked it in a way that suggested the truth- NO ONE ELSE COULD/WOULD HAVE DONE THIS, JLY HAS NO REASONABLE EXPLANATION FOR ANY OF HIS BEHAVIORS THAT NIGHT. BH lacked emphasis on "possible" compared to "reasonable". The NG jurors clung to the possibility that JLY COULD have been smoking a cigar, getting lost, throwing away his clothes, coincidentally having identical shoes to the ones worn by the killer, couldn't have been smart enough to clean up the blood on himself, and not stopping for gas. Its asinine, and they are ridiculously confused about the definition of reasonable. At least some of them. I am frustrated that the WC prosecutors left these gaping holes unfilled. Ignoring them was childs play IMO. He slipped through BH's hands, and if I did that cross you better bet your life he would have had to say "I don't know.. Um... Uhh..." More times than BH has in her life. JLY, why did you change clothes to get a news paper from the desk? Where was your keycard, and why didn't you have it when you left the room? (Insert dumb long door story here) ok, so when you left the room you already knew the door was awkward? (Uhhhh) then why didn't you have your key? Orr... Howd you have a chance to grab a twig when your hands were full and it was out of reach away? Why aren't you seen on camera eating breakfast? Why did you pay for a hotel to be by your business meeting, and still show up late? Do you get lost often? How often do you get lost with a road map sitting next to you? Does your dog protect your family? Why didn't he wake your wife up barking at the intruder? Have you ever asked your daughter who was there? Did you ask her who took her socks off? Did your wife often leave the garbage bags on the counter? ...... I'd still be asking him questions. Ahhh!

Lastly, can the jurors talk to the media now? About who was on which side and why? Or are they sealed pending retrial?

RIP MIchelle Fisher.

 

[evelyn24]

I think the main thing about calling the jury any names is that it is against TOS. Also as has been said the jury only has the info that was presented to them and was not presented with all the evidence that people on WS have been privy too.

As I said earlier in this thread. I myself haven't followed this case too much but from the little I did see the prosecution had some major holes in it's case that cast reasonable doubt. Mr. Young imho is more then likely guilty but the problem is the SA had some hurdles trying to prove that with the evidence. Such as the various unidentified (didn't match the Young's) DNA/hair/fingerprints/shoe prints ect. Those little things can be huge for a jury in making it's decision.

Yes, I know all that.

The prosecution's case in every trial will have holes to some degree. I can THINK anything I like about this or any jury, and I didn't call this jury any names btw. I was making a point in general.

 

[evelyn24]

Has anyone found out for certain which way the 8/4 split went? If two jurors changed their minds in just a few hours, I would think it is more likely they moved from G to NG. SO my guess would be 8 NG 4 G.

However, I must admit, after watching this trial and the BC trial I've been shocked by the jury decisions. So I'm not exactly good at predicting these things.

While a bit frustrating since I believe JY is guilty based on the evidence, I do not have an issue with a jury being deadlocked. I'm certainly not going to criticize this jury for debating, having different opinions, and standing their ground on their opinion of the evidence.

What did AL say when she didn't realize she was on camera? That woman annoys the h@ll out of me.

That's my guess as well. I'd rather it deadlock than be an outright aquittal. I think JY is a vile SOB and I'd hate to see him walk, more than I hated seeing OJ walk.

 

[Just the Fax]

If you leave your confirmation bias aside a moment, and without making any strong suggestions that are not evidence, please place your prosecutor's cap on your head and talk me beyond this reasonable doubt.

ASSUME for the moment that Jason made that late night round trip to Raleigh. With stipulated mileage numbers, and assuming the Explorer was indeed averaging 19.5 mpg, the defense numbers suggested that it would have been out of fuel 18 miles shy of King.

Point 1. Had you murdered someone and were desperately seeking your alibi, and your fuel light was blinking like mad and had been for the last twenty miles, would you push on to King? With all the refueling opportunities along the way, wouldn't you have stopped not twenty miles shy, but 30 or 40 miles shy of King? You would be in a heap of bad stuff were you to run out of gasoline and need help to do the borrow a gas can thing.

Point 2. Further assume that, despite the ID problems in King, he actually made a $15 purchase. Review the defense closing and listen carefully when counsel states that the Explorer would have had to average 38 mpg to make it to the next known refueling stop. Ask yourself... if this was so carefully planned, why didn't Jason stop 30 miles shy of King and purchase adequate fuel to make the next fuel stop?

Point 3. Rather than making that strong suggestion, which is not evidence, that Jason stopped yet again the morning after while en route to his appointment (this would be two very poorly planned fuel stops, one more than was needed and practical), offer evidence of additional fuel purchased. You want to convict someone on innuendo. Shame.

If you leave out the alleged Four Brothers purchased, you have to deal with the fuel mileage... and the Explorer cannot go from Raleigh to Hillsville and back to Hillsville and beyond without additional fuel. So the State must clear this mileage hurdle, and the King stop seems more like grasping at straws than providing clear evidence of guilt.

I am merely asking you to look at this from my perspective... We would have been locked in that jury room until Christmas had I been charged with deciding guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. And until the State can use REAL EVIDENCE to clear the mileage issue, they may as well save the money. I honestly think they never saw that alibi coming.

Why should I assume his 2WD, V6 Explorer averaged 19.5MPG?
There is a range of 18-22, depending on many variables.

462 miles at 21MPG = 22 gallons used -----1/2 gallon remaining.
This guy lived life on the edge...ya think?

It is obvious (to me) he bought more gas north of Hillsville with cash.
Could have been way off the path since he was 1/2 hour late for the meeting.
Sure, the state can't prove the additional cash purchase, but they can certainly lay it out as their theory so the jury understands it was indeed very possible.

 

[fran]

I'm watching the WRAL special. Seems to be the consensus that it was a BRILLIANT move to have the def testify. They also feel it was a surprise to the pros and they weren't really prepared for it.

I think they're right.

What a shame. He can keep quiet for 1693 days and speaks for a few hours and gets himself a mistrial.

Go figure,
fran

 

[No Coincidence]

Yes, I know all that.

The prosecution's case in every trial will have holes to some degree. I can THINK anything I like about this or any jury, and I didn't call this jury any names btw. I was making a point in general.

I think there was probably a couple of stubborn personalities, and some moral issues going on in that room. Reasonable is a relative term, and I'm sure some people would find it hard to send JLY to prison for life when it "could" have been whoever it was that had hair there. As a whole, the evidence was there, what pros lacked was a jury that couldn't agree to use common sense to explain certain behaviors. "Mr. Fair Guy" (someone in the jury room) refused to allow himself to consider that it isn't normal to do all the weird stuff JLY did that night. He wanted the state to hold the burden of proof that it was weird... But that's not really possible. Common sense tells you its weird or "not normal". You have to ask yourself what you/ your mom/spouse/dad would do in the same situation, confronted with a loved one's murder while he/she/you were out of town having a cigar on a business trip. If none of them would be as bizarre as this cuckoo clock JLY, then something is off.
:maddening:

 

[gracielee]

Just watched the WRAL special. Nothing new that I saw. Wasn't even worth my time. JMO

 

[evelyn24]

I'm watching the WRAL special. Seems to be the consensus that it was a BRILLIANT move to have the def testify. They also feel it was a surprise to the pros and they weren't really prepared for it.

I think they're right.

What a shame. He can keep quiet for 1693 days and speaks for a few hours and gets himself a mistrial.

Go figure,
fran

I will say that the utter lack of a tough cross examination surprised me.

 

[evelyn24]

I think there was probably a couple of stubborn personalities, and some moral issues going on in that room. Reasonable is a relative term, and I'm sure some people would find it hard to send JLY to prison for life when it "could" have been whoever it was that had hair there. As a whole, the evidence was there, what pros lacked was a jury that couldn't agree to use common sense to explain certain behaviors. "Mr. Fair Guy" (someone in the jury room) refused to allow himself to consider that it isn't normal to do all the weird stuff JLY did that night. He wanted the state to hold the burden of proof that it was weird... But that's not really possible. Common sense tells you its weird or "not normal". You have to ask yourself what you/ your mom/spouse/dad would do in the same situation, confronted with a loved one's murder while he/she/you were out of town having a cigar on a business trip. If none of them would be as bizarre as this cuckoo clock JLY, then something is off.
:maddening:

ITA X 100000 with your post.

 

[fran]

Perhaps next time, the pros can contact the emergency services in the area JY claims to have allegedly held someone's finger that had been in an accident, while the victim lay going in and out of consciousness. Think about it! How ridiculous does it sound that he was the first responder and he held his finger to help him, so he went home to look up head trauma!

Seriously, does that make any sense?

LOL, I didn't think so either.

fran
:waitasec:

 

[traveler]

Wral tweeted there will be a bond hearing in addition to the status hearing on july 20.
Pat will need to post 10% of bail or attach real estate.

Just like BH said...Jason Young loved Jason Young more than Cassidy. Funny he couldn't "afford" to keep his child when he was free.