Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

[Theforeigner]

Theforeigner,

As far as I can see the shortest window for attack is in the Waterman case. (It's a Sunday) I'm running through the posts and Internet to narrow down Maureen's time of abduction, (Though we can ask Meltruth to give her own opinion) and it seems that Maureen was attacked on a Sunday.

Sunday seems like to apply for Melissa as well.

When it comes to Amber, things go hazy as Dave Schaller is. Actually, I'm not sure if DS got everything straight in his mind, including the no phone on Amber. (I actually think that we might be looking at several red herrings including the no phone issue and the burlaps)

She may have worked a few days out on her own. (Not studied that in detail) So perhaps Sunday applies for her too.

Do the above tell anything for you? (Personally, I'm not seeing anything worthy to discuss in detail about Sundays) But may be you can have some insight.

Emre, I´m not sure what you are asking me in this post of yours?

Sillybilly posted info that corrected the weekday Maureen disappeared, a monday and not a sunday, and also added weekdays/dates ect for all the GB4victims.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

He lives, most of the time he claims, in FL.
But he also:
From a April 6, 2011 newsreport:
"During the time of the Long Island and Atlantic City murders Xxxxxxxxx was traveling up and down the east coast looking for work as a carpenter, he said."

This must refer to HA, yes?

 

[Theforeigner]

This must refer to HA, yes?

Positive, but I don´t think we are aloud to even use his initials.

 

[Seaslug44]

Positive, but I don´t think we are aloud to even use his initials.

No considering that he is the grieving spouse of a victim of another case and has no direct ties to anyone in the LISK case and has never been named a poi in this case. Over 110 million people have visited the empire state building and the NYC Amtrak station is in Penn station under the Madison Square Garden. The LISK clearly chose locations that can be traced to nearly every visitor to NYC.

 

[PreciousDust]

Positive, but I don´t think we are aloud to even use his initials.

Ah, OK, I thought you were talking about JD.

 

[Emre E]

Emre, I´m not sure what you are asking me in this post of yours?

Sillybilly posted info that corrected the weekday Maureen disappeared, a monday and not a sunday, and also added weekdays/dates ect for all the GB4victims.

Since you have POI, the days of weeks or holiday season (whatever there's to see about these dates/days) may mean something to you perhaps?

 

[Sillybilly]

Just mulling over the dates the victims disappeared, and revisiting the thought that possibly SG's 911 call could have been what prompted the perp to subsequently ask MW and ALC to leave their phones behind. I'm not sure that SG's May 1 disappearance even made the papers until her body was found, so IF the perp changed his MO as a result of SG, then it would have to be a perp within the circles of those somehow connected to the night SG disappeared (i.e. pimps, LE or OB peeps, etc). IOW, if LISK was not responsible for SG, he had no way of knowing about her cell phone call causing a problem, therefore it would not have occurred to LISK to request subsequent victims to ditch their phones.

IF LISK did make that change to his MO as a result of SG's 911 call, then LISK is within that circle of peeps who knew about SG's disappearance before her body was found.

Clear as mud as usual??

 

[LINative13]

I didnt hear about SG until after GB4 were found.

 

[Sillybilly]

I didnt hear about SG until after GB4 were found.

Thanks Native ... that's what i was getting at. I don't think anything about SG hit the news until then.

It could just be a big coinkydink re the phones, but prior to SG, it seems he liked his toys, but changed his MO after SG.

 

[Just K]

From MB's timeline it seems as if she went out to LI on two separate occasions of the weekend that she disappeared. Unless, the person who last saw her, sitting outside her Bronx apartment, was wrong about the dates but MB had activity in LI and then came back into the city and days later goes missing. Perhaps while working the first gig out in LI, she made arrangements with a guest/friend of the first client. Or the client said he had another gig for her. So, in keeping with building her trust, she goes back into the city, makes her bank deposit, goes home for whatever she needs for the last gig and goes outside to wait for a ride.

The Saturday before she disappeared is a huge question mark. One has to wonder, did she go out to LI on Friday evening, stay through the better part of Saturday, and then stay at her apartment Saturday night or return there Sunday before leaving again...for the last time.

Likely, she went home to get clothes and feed the cats.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thanks Native ... that's what i was getting at. I don't think anything about SG hit the news until then.

It could just be a big coinkydink re the phones, but prior to SG, it seems he liked his toys, but changed his MO after SG.

Let's keep in mind, we may not even be aware of all of his victims. We assume Gilgo is his only dumpsite only because it's all we have to work with. It's entirely possible he has more than one. For all we know, the 2 year gap between Maureen and Melissa might not be a gap at all. And Shannan might also not be one of his victims.

I just want us to be careful about assuming too much based on what's knowable, when it's possible we know very little, kwim?

 

[Sillybilly]

Let's keep in mind, we may not even be aware of all of his victims. We assume Gilgo is his only dumpsite only because it's all we have to work with. It's entirely possible he has more than one. For all we know, the 2 year gap between Maureen and Melissa might not be a gap at all. And Shannan might also not be one of his victims.

I just want us to be careful about assuming too much based on what's knowable, when it's possible we know very little, kwim?

That's right MK, any of this could change in a heartbeat if something else crops up. We can only base interim theories on what we currently have to work with

 

[waltson]

whats up with this about melissa's phone?

They traced a second phone that belonged to her to an ex-con who said he picked it up after a tussle between hookers in Times Square orchestrated by a pimp.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-01-26/news/27096697_1_craigslist-serial-killer-victim-sister

Thanks to Redbird

 

[inspctrgadget]

Here's the basic premise....

Before the news of a serial killer on Long Island made national headlines in December 2010, most of the victim articles available on the Internet were from small or local news outlets. Let's assume that the serial killer periodically Googled the names of his victims to check-up on the status of their investigation. I assume he had their drivers license or other ID, so he likely had their real names.

I think we could identify the serial killer by: (1) cross-referencing server logs of certain websites that the serial killer visited prior to the case making national headlines; and/or (2) given a database of these IP addresses, we could write a simple PHP script to geolocate any IP addresses from Long Island using a IP geolocation service like Geobytes.com.

My belief is that we would find very few, if any, visits from a Long Island IP address at a website like the Scarborough Leader or Bangor Daily News. Also, the likelihood that someone from Long Island visited more than one of these pages within a short time frame after their disappearance is very low.

In order to identify the universe of potential websites that our serial killer may have visited, I carefully used the Google "daterange" function.

For example, if you wanted to search articles crawled by Google within a month of Melissa Barthelemy's disappearance, you would type into Google the following:

"Melissa Barthelemy" daterange:2455022-2455053

Google's daterange function uses Julian dates, so you'll need a converter to change calendar dates to Julian dates:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/JulianDate.php

Also, some of the results will appear more current (after December 2010). These you can eliminate since they incorrectly get caught up in the search results.

I did this for Maureen, Melissa and Megan. I did not do this for Amber since nobody reported her missing. There were no results for Maureen, so all we have to work with are Melissa and Megan.

Here we go... Remember, these are web articles that only appear prior to anyone knowing about a serial killer on Long Island...

Melissa Barthelemy (went missing July 12, 2009)
Google Search: "Melissa Barthelemy" daterange:2455024-2455177

July 24, 2009
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/nypd_blotter/item_tLCoGUlzLkASmygvqqZ2HM#ixzz24kxsIT9H

Jul. 24 2009 at 7:30 AM
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2009/07/missing_persons_5.php

July 24, 2009
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/nypd_blotter/item_tLCoGUlzLkASmygvqqZ2HM

09/06/2009
http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/105331/missing-buffalo-native-last-seen-in-the-bronx/

Updated: Friday, 11 Sep 2009, 4:21 PM EDT
Published : Monday, 07 Sep 2009, 9:58 PM EDT
http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/missing_woman_grew_up_in_buffalo_090907




Megan Waterman (went missing on June 6, 2010)
Google Search: "Megan Waterman" daterange:2455353-2455528

Jun 15, 2010
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=119033

Search: "Megan Waterman" Between: 06/16/2010 and 07/16/2010
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday...h=07&today=16&toyear=2010&By=&Title=&Sect=ALL

2010-06-16 (Newsday)
http://article.wn.com/view/2010/06/16/Police_search_for_missing_Maine_woman_on_LI/

June 17, 2010
http://www.pressherald.com/news/police-hunt-for-missing-maine-mother_2010-06-17.html

June 18, 2010 3:34 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008173-504083.html

June 18, 2010
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Police-continue-search-for-missing-Scarborough-woman.html

06/18/10 11:39 AM ET
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/19/megan-waterman-craigslist_n_617182.html

June 18, 2010
http://trenchreynolds.me/tag/scarborough/

06/20/10
http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/32149#.UDuO_8jLdCY

July 2, 2010
http://www.pressherald.com/news/local-dispatches_2010-07-02.html

17-jun-2010
http://reports.internic.net/cgi/whois?whois_nic=meganwaterman.com&type=domain

6/23/2010
http://web.archive.org/web/20100623005108/http://www.meganwaterman.com/

July 19, 2010
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Fam...ugh-woman-distributes-fliers-in-New-York.html

July 21, 2010
http://www.keepmecurrent.com/current/article_ad255bd8-94f1-11df-a23e-001cc4c002e0.html

8/20/2010
http://blog.scarboroughleader.com/2...arance-held-on-drug-charges--aug-20-2010.aspx

Aired August 10, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/10/ijvm.01.html

August 11, 2010
http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/892422

August 11, 2010
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine-Scarborough-Akeem-Cruz-Megan-Waterman-boyfriend-arrest.html

August 13, 2010
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20013580-504083.html

August 15, 2010
http://trenchreynolds.me/2010/08/15/megan-watermans-boyfriend-arrested-again/

Aug. 20, 2010
http://blog.scarboroughleader.com/2...arance-held-on-drug-charges--aug-20-2010.aspx

8/12/2010
http://bangordailynews.com/2010/08/...ts-boyfriend-faces-drug-charge-in-s-portland/

9/6/2010
http://timesupblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/is-craigslist-responsible-for-missing.html

October 21st, 2010
http://www.longislandpress.com/2010...-on-long-island-some-matter-prostitutes-dont/

November 5th, 2010
http://www.longislandpress.com/2010/11/05/family-of-megan-waterman-missing-escort-offers-reward/

November 5, 2010
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/missing-maine-woman-s-family-to-offer-reward-1.2430664

Nov. 05, 2010
http://bangordailynews.com/2010/11/...sing-maine-craigslist-escort-to-offer-reward/

November 8, 2010
http://trenchreynolds.me/tag/jim-buckmaster/

November 21st, 2010
http://www.longislandpress.com/2010/11/21/family-of-missing-megan-waterman-offers-2500-reward/

December 14, 2010
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/missing-woman-s-family-waits-for-answers-1.2543038


Maureen Brainard-Barnes went missing July 9, 2007

Nothing appears for Maureen from July 9 2007 through July 9 2010.
"Maureen Brainard-Barnes" 2454290-2455386
"Maureen Brainard" 2454290-2455386
"Maureen Barnes" 2454290-2455386

Amber was not reported missing.


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Brief Discussion on Fox News Article:
Fox News led to believe that the serial killer was indeed checking up on his victims.

"The calls abruptly stopped in August 2009 after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/1...lead-search-long-island-killer/#ixzz24lnheUHz

Did they? Fox News pretty much needs to be fact-checked on everything they report, so lets consider this.

The news article referenced by Fox News that I was able to identify was the WIVB Buffalo article dated September 11th, 2009 that reported:

"Lynn has reason to be hopeful her daughter will be found. There has been some cell phone activity police have asked her not to discuss."

This article also used the words "New York City Police Department" and "Homeland Security".

The article also stated: "the family is very comfortable that they are working the case very diligently now."

If I were the serial killer and read this article, I'd probably be worried to.

Is this enough to belive that the serial killer saw this article? Maybe not, because:
1) the calls stopped on August 26, 2009
2) the last call stated "I killed her", presumably providing some closure both to Amanda and the SK
3) The calls came about 1X per week, starting 1 week after her disappearance
4) the WIVB article didn't come out until September 11th, 2009

So there was over 2 weeks between the last phone call and the WIVB article. So maybe the killer didn't call at the end of August or beginning of September because of some reason or another, read the article and stopped calling out of fear.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows. Fox sucks.
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Conclusion:
I think the following server logs would be useful for an IP analysis of the URLs specified above. Obviously you would only be looking at IP addresses that accessed these pages shortly after they were published, say 3-6 months or so. A cross-check and IP geolocation study should reveal the IP address of the serial killer:

pressherald.com
bangordailynews.com
scarboroughleader.com
meganwaterman.com
wcsh6.com
sunjournal.com
ny1.com
wivb.com

I wonder if we could get the IT guys from these eight websites together to try this approach.

 

[truthspider]

Nice job IG. Surely if those IT groups made the IP logs available we could quickly find some interesting patterns and a good chance for the Eureka moment. But does reading news sites about missing people prove they committed murder? Most likely not. The perp could simply be someone who "spends his spare time trying to help search for missing people", hence the reason he came across all of those sites.

You really want the data that the search engines have, this way you can show that a particular household was conducting searches for the names of missing people before they were in the news reported as missing. As for Maureen and Amber, the perp would have still likely searched for their names regardless of results. Explaining to a jury that the defendant was searching for these individuals prior to it being public information that they were missing is much more iron clad of an argument.

LE could conduct your strategy first to identify a POI/IP if they needed to, then subpoena all the computers/devices of the POI, or get the list of IP addresses that the POI's had from 2007 - 2010 from their ISPs. If the search history was stored on the POI's machines, bingo, otherwise they should request from the largest search engines (goog, yahoo, ...) the search history of the user/IP.

Unfortunately a technically competent adversary would not have left this type of IP trail. Since we know he understands how to not be traced on the phone, there is a decent chance he took measures so as to not be traced online as well.

relevant article
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/14/techie_murder_evidence/

 

[LINative13]

Dude,
That is good stuff. Way to think outside the box.
Native

 

[LR1]

Aside from bumping one of the victims threads back to the front page, and a thread that has some very good sleuthing contained in it I might add. I'm curious as to peoples opinions as to whether or not they have the perps voice recorded from the calls he made to the sister. I would think they do seeing they were able to trace several of the calls to certain locations. However I could be wrong, at this point they didn't know they had a killer on their hands. I seem to remember it was reported MB's mom kept a journal of the calls but as far as a recording I've never seen it mentioned. In hindsight surely they would have either placed a tap or instructed MB's mom to press record in the event he calls back, after all the calls went on for nearly six weeks after she disappeared. So in short, do they have audio, if not why not and if so why haven't they released at least a snippet to see if the voice sounds familiar to anyone?

 

[PreciousDust]

do they have audio

I think it's assumed that they recorded some of the calls, but I don't think they've ever acknowledged it.

so why haven't they released at least a snippet to see if the voice sounds familiar to anyone?

I'm sure no one except them knows the answer to that, but here's three possible reasons:
1. It would cause emotional duress to the victim's family to have these recordings be made public.
2. They know that if they released the recordings that they'd get 75,000 new "leads" from people who swear it sounds just like their uncle/neighbor/ex-boyfriend.
3. They already know who the caller/killer is, so there's no point pretending they need any help from the public.

 

[genericwhitemale]

I think it's assumed that they recorded some of the calls, but I don't think they've ever acknowledged it.


I'm sure no one except them knows the answer to that, but here's three possible reasons:
1. It would cause emotional duress to the victim's family to have these recordings be made public.
2. They know that if they released the recordings that they'd get 75,000 new "leads" from people who swear it sounds just like their uncle/neighbor/ex-boyfriend.
3. They already know who the caller/killer is, so there's no point pretending they need any help from the public.

It's rather simple, if it was in fact the killer then only two people know what was said in those calls. The sister and the caller. Why cloud things up and release the tapes so every Tom, Dick, and Harry can start taking credit? There's a lot of weirdos out there, as we all know. I know they have done things like release audio in the past in other cases, so why they aren't doing that in this particular case is anyone's guess. But I'd bet a lot of it has to do with what I mentioned above as well as the fact the calls were reportedly quite explicit.

 

[Justiceforever]

Does anybody know when the fight (that was instigated by her pimp, in which she lost her phone) happened? Also was this pimp JT? Or someone else?