I have no idea. A bizarre red herring? An intended indication that no one was sitting in the passenger seat? For a while, beginning prior to the police chief's last burst of info, I've been tossing around the idea that someone (seemingly?) familiar approached Cheryl asking for a ride to the P&R as she got in her car at home.
Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #6
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I have no idea. A bizarre red herring? An intended indication that no one was sitting in the passenger seat? For a while, beginning prior to the police chief's last burst of info, I've been tossing around the idea that someone (seemingly?) familiar approached Cheryl asking for a ride to the P&R as she got in her car at home.
What type of injured animal would you set down there? If you had no plans to ever drive your car again, why give it the floor? Squirrel? Feline blood, wouldnt seem anymore normal. Just because she has cats, that doesn't mean one of hers bled on the floor. Canine blood? Okay, but when?
A familiar person doesn't explain the animal blood, and it complicates the scenario. There's animal blood in her car. Is it related to her disappearance? Family members report that the blood was fresh when it was found after 4PM on Feb 8.
Did Cheryl rescue an injured animal and then it vanished, did she put animal blood in her car, did a lunatic put it there?
Her car was parked in the same place at 8AM and when it was found by her husband. What kind of blood smears 8 hours after it was spilled?
If an animal blood spill in Cheryl's car preceded Feb 7, then it's not relevant. If an animal was bleeding out between 7 and 8AM on Feb 8 in the passenger seat, how could that blood smear 9 hours later?
I can! This is a shop that has been here for years. Very nice people, family ran opereration, very clean. Every time we have gotten items from them they normally put in clear plastic and then wrapped in brown paper and then put in a paper bag.
I'm very curious to know what kind of animal blood it is. She could have come across a cat or dog hit by a car, picked it up and put it on the floor to take to a vet. There is a vet clinic nearby called A Pet Care Clinic. But where is the animal? And was there any blood on her clothes? It wasn't mentioned in the medical examiner's report. So was the blood staged and by whom?
I don't think a person finding a way to get in her car and eventually harm her complicates the scenario unless you're assuming everything that happened to Cheryl and her car that day was by her hand.
I don't know anything about the properties of animal blood. Perhaps the fact that it was still smearable when her car was found is significant. Maybe it indicates someone accessed her car later in the day. Or maybe it isn't just blood. Menstrual blood can stay goopy for a good while. I don't know if there are any wildlife rehabbers, livestock, or a zoo nearby. Yes, I'm thinking a source of animal blood that didn't harm an animal.
I'm more wondering, how she could keep herself that well hidden, even after the fact....not wanting someone to see what you are going to do, yes I would get that. But she still was a person that was alive & walking. Other walkers/joggers could still remember jogging past a woman, that fit her description after the fact. If this happened that early, of course everyone that she could have passed, wouldn't know she was missing until that evening, or was going to end her life, but can anyone remember things now, just enough to possibly place her actually walking that mile? Not actually going into the culvert, just walking anywhere...
I am in agreement with you!
I have no idea!
There have been a lot of discussion about the animal blood, but I haven't seen any mentioning that any animal fur was found mixed in the blood, neither from Cheryl's son or the LE. If there had been an injured animal in the car that morning, there would also have been some traces of fur from that animal, as most animals have fur (unless it was a spynx cat or a mexican hairless dog), and an injured, hurt, stressed or scared animal sheds (and sheds a lot). Unless there is some kind of confirmation that animal hairs have been found, I don't believe a live animal was involved with the blood.
The more I have read about this case, and all the details, the more I get an impression about a recreation of an Agatha Christie or Dorothy Sayers novel. Did Cheryl love old detective stories, and was the intention of it all to (initially) confuse the LE and searchers that it was a suicide?
The more I have read about this case, and all the details, the more I get an impression about a recreation of an Agatha Christie or Dorothy Sayers novel. Did Cheryl love old detective stories, and was the intention of it all to (initially) confuse the LE and searchers that it was a suicide?
I agree. But maybe a family member or friend, had been in the car recently with Cheryl...and was certain, there wasn't any blood on the floor?
I agree about the blood. I did search to see if animal blood on a car floor board was a copycat of a book, movie, or actual crime. I got one hit, a book that wasn't yet published though had reviews dating back to October from people with advanced copies. But the "animal blood on the floorboard" was inside someone's house and the excerpt was mostly dialogue that wasn't useful. The book is Cold Girl: A B.C. Blues Crime Novel by R.M. Greenaway.[h=1][/h]
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Now that's an interesting idea about recreating a mystery novel. Where is Miss Marple when we need her?!!!
I think Stryker said the blood was still wet when Cheryl's husband found the car. So it would have been tacky, not dried.
And ~10 miles away from MLT, in Kirkland, is a veterinary blood bank. Another vet blood bank with online ordering has a FAQ, including a section on viability. Their canine and feline whole blood is only viable for 30-35 days. They also sell bovine blood, though it's much pricier than their cheapest $52 option.
The blood on the floor board may end up unraveling some of this mystery.
Does anyone have a reliable link to preferably a direct quote from LE or a verified family member that gives information about the amount of animal blood found?
I've seen the amount of blood described on this thread as 'large' and even as 'substantial', however the source I'd been using when I was considering the origin and reason for the animal blood even being present in the car states :
"Investigators have matched a small amount of blood found in the car to DeBoers, he said, though they are still trying to trace a larger sample discovered on the vehicles passenger floor board that is from an animal."
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...y-no-evidence-cheryl-deboer-death-a-homicide/
Now how I read that, it doesn't suggest that the amount of blood was 'substantial' or even 'large'. My interpretation is that there was more animal blood than there was of Cheryl's blood, but it was not necessarily a large amount.
I've seen the amount of blood described on this thread as 'large' and even as 'substantial', however the source I'd been using when I was considering the origin and reason for the animal blood even being present in the car states :
"Investigators have matched a small amount of blood found in the car to DeBoers, he said, though they are still trying to trace a larger sample discovered on the vehicles passenger floor board that is from an animal."
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...y-no-evidence-cheryl-deboer-death-a-homicide/
Now how I read that, it doesn't suggest that the amount of blood was 'substantial' or even 'large'. My interpretation is that there was more animal blood than there was of Cheryl's blood, but it was not necessarily a large amount.
#867 in thread 5 Stryker said:
His other mention (#958) of the blood in that thread:
Also animal blood was fresh enough and of substantial quantity to be able to smear with your hand.
His other mention (#958) of the blood in that thread:
Her previous job before working for the Hutch was as a chemist analyzing samples and providing reports to EPA, and other govt. agencies. She would know that it would be easy to distinguish animal blood from human blood. Very highly unlikely that she would attempt to poorly stage a scene like that.
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