GUILTY WA - Ginger Gover, 41, found deceased, Pierce County, 29 Jul 2018 *arrest*

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its a little odd to be visiting multiple friends that early in the day to me? could she have relapsed? either way very sad and I hope they find out what happened to her. they say they think the car was dumped off a trailer because they probably do hve footage of the truck passing w the car. but don't have footage of the ppl.
 
GraceG said:
Police are treating Ginger's death as a homicide. They'd let her father know. He has to be devastated. I hope they find who did this to her. Father seeks justice for murdered Olympia woman
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"The Pierce County Sheriff's Department said Tuesday that her cause of death has not been determined, but detectives are investigating the case as a homicide."

It is suspicious that her body & vehicle were tampered with, I do understand how her family and friends feel strongly that foul play must have been involved; however I cannot concede that those factions alone are enough to presume murder.

Openly presuming her death as homicide will shut down witnesses who are connected to her death & disappearance, not induce them into opening up.

At this stage I am asking myself, what is LE steering the public's eye towards, and herding those closest to Ginger's demise into?
 
tnith said:
"The Pierce County Sheriff's Department said Tuesday that her cause of death has not been determined, but detectives are investigating the case as a homicide."

It is suspicious that her body & vehicle were tampered with, I do understand how her family and friends feel strongly that foul play must have been involved; however I cannot concede that those factions alone are enough to presume murder.

Openly presuming her death as homicide will shut down witnesses who are connected to her death & disappearance, not induce them into opening up.

At this stage I am asking myself, what is LE steering the public's eye towards, and herding those closest to Ginger's demise into?
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I would find it odd if LE didn't investigate Ginger's death as a homicide considering she was missing for about six weeks before her body was found in a remote area partially covered and her car was moved and stripped. Any witnesses had six weeks to come forward with any information about Ginger disappearance before her was body was found and investigated as a homicide. A homicide investigation provides more resources than an unknown death investigation.
Because of Ginger's drug use it could be argued she was using drugs with someone else and OD and the other person freaked out and tried to cover-up the incident therefore not a homicide but other criminal charges could apply.

@tnith, I am curious what investigative tactic you think LE should use that would be appropriate in relation to Ginger's death. Do you believe LE is using misdirection in their investigation and if so for what purpose. I guess an argument could made that LE might use the lone nut theory as more acceptable to the public than drug and/or human trafficking.
 
siliconrod said:
I would find it odd if LE didn't investigate Ginger's death as a homicide considering she was missing for about six weeks before her body was found in a remote area partially covered and her car was moved and stripped. Any witnesses had six weeks to come forward with any information about Ginger disappearance before her was body was found and investigated as a homicide. A homicide investigation provides more resources than an unknown death investigation.
Because of Ginger's drug use it could be argued she was using drugs with someone else and OD and the other person freaked out and tried to cover-up the incident therefore not a homicide but other criminal charges could apply.

@tnith, I am curious what investigative tactic you think LE should use that would be appropriate in relation to Ginger's death. Do you believe LE is using misdirection in their investigation and if so for what purpose. I guess an argument could made that LE might use the lone nut theory as more acceptable to the public than drug and/or human trafficking.
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My personal feelings are that Ginger was targeted, lured, and knew her killer. I say killer singular, because I don't catch that special 'druggie oops oh well' vibe so many elsewhere have thrown about, insinuating conspiracy.
Despite locals proclivities, this ain't whispering 'overdose' or 'owed money'.

I've seen Pierce Co. screw up a whole lot in over 4 decades, and it stands out when they do a full 180 and state publicly that they 'believe' soon into a MP's case they are dealing with murder. This is an area that's fought against intense apathy about missing persons, struggled with multiple serials stalking & slaying their citizens over the years, and I daresay not the highest IQ folks in the state to contend with.
Plain & simple, rampant poverty issues paint the place in illegal activity & violence.

When so many other departments simply keep an investigation moving and allow perps the false sense of security, it does appear they've picked a very specific tactic that leads me to ponder whether citizens perception, or Ginger's killer being brought to justice is priority.
 
There was also a woman named Jessica Jackson found in Tacoma at JBLM (military base). They have arrested the two men, one being from Tacoma, WA and one being from Forks WA. I have not found any motivation as to why yet. The arrest was made Oct 22, 2018, she had disappeared September 4, 2018. Found Sept. 8, and a day later Ginger was found as well. There is a pretty quiet route that runs from the backside of the Federal Parks from Forks to Olympia, Tacoma...That hwy is creepy.
FBI: 2 men arrested after Tacoma woman pepper-sprayed, beaten and shot 3 times | Q13 FOX News
 
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I did a little sleuthing on the side. A close friend of mine was raised in Forks. She knew these guys only by face, and she told me they used to come through a coffee stand she runs in Gorst, which is near Bremerton. She said they were really friendly at first, but she had a bad feeling about them and wasn't friendly back. They came back again and did not speak and it made her think she was going to get robbed again. Nothing happened. Just weird, nothing to really report. The MO of Jessica Jackson's killer seems to be to befriend and then beat and kill. The range of that hwy from Forks to Tacoma covers a lot of territory for opportunity picking.


I'd be curious to know if these guys have access to a car trailer, and if any missing parts come up at a local wrecking yard in Forks, Clallam Bay, or Port Angeles.

Just seems a little close in date to be coincidence, but it is only my opinion.
 
I am assuming there are no updates by LE into Ginger's death. I first thought her death was drug related but it might be something completely different. If it was drug related I would assume some informant would come forward to point the finger at someone. Justice for Ginger.
 
I have not seen any updates in MSM in regards to Ginger's homicide investigation. I know LE was treating her death as a homicide but autopsy results, cause of death and manner of death have not been released to public or not released to MSM. Either LE is totally stumped or are waiting for the last piece of evidence to be discovered to name suspects or make an arrest. She went missing in July and her body discovered in Sept. At first I thought it was someone close to her but maybe it was some random encounter with some demented person. Justice for Ginger.
 
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