Found Deceased WA - Josiah Hilderbrand & Jon Cleary, Cali/Gorge Ampitheatre, vehicle Yakima Cty, 7 June 2019

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Anything on how long Josiah and Jon had known each other? Aka had they been friends for a while with lots of mutual friends/group, or were they just carpooling to have someone help drive and split gas costs?

Out of my friends who go to many various jam shows, I seem to be the only one who would not ride with a stranger or strangers going to the same show. I even have friends that will meet people at shows once and couch surf with them when they are going to a show in the other persons town.

Just wondering where Josiah and Jon’s friendship lied on that spectrum.
 
Sounds like some info may be forthcoming. I don't know if Josiah's mom Liz is following this site, it really wouldn't make much sense at this point -- she knows way more than we do, and we have very little to sleuth. Being a deadhead myself, I have wanted to reach out to her, but as she has been very clear about being unwilling to share what she knows to protect the case, I've kept my distance.

So far, it seems like my initial theories were dead wrong, and my only questions at this point revolve around whether they somehow got caught up in the White Swan killing spree, and if so, whether that was an accident or they had some connections there. If they were just passing through, that would be tragic, and from everything else I've read about the missing and murdered in that region, maybe it's time to send in the National Guard or something.

Anyhow, this is from Liz via the "Help Bring Josiah Home" FB page:

The decision has been made to breathe life into the public aspect of the search for Josiah and Jon again. The fbi has been working tirelessly on their case and I have great confidence in - and great respect for - the agent handling it. I have learned in life that it is best to hand the reins over and look for guidance from those more experienced to handle them, so I have done so from the start. What this has meant for me is that I have had to find the strength and humility to surrender over and over and over again - to release control - rid myself of expectations - and hold on tight to hope and faith. It is very important to me that Josiah’s body is found. This is not because I believe that his body is “him” - I know that he is free - but as his mother, who always swore to care and provide for him, I feel that it is my duty to make sure that he is cared for this one last time. I want his body (skeleton by now) picked up gently - and laid down gently - and I want to honor him with song and prayer and ceremony. It is, in my mind, the only part of this horrific story that we might be able to change. It may shock some of you to hear that I do not want justice - that doesn’t mean I’m opposed to it - but I know that it won’t bring me peace. I am not angry. I am grieving deeply - incredibly sad - but I do not get mired in resentment, anger or thoughts of revenge - my spirit cannot afford them. What happened to him cannot be changed, but how it happened can. I do not trap myself with thoughts like “I will not rest until...” or “I will not be at peace until...” because I know that I am setting myself up for extreme discomfort now - and maybe extreme disappointment in the future. The commitment I have is to continue to do the next right thing and allow God to be responsible for the results. This whole experience has strengthened and broadened my spirituality in ways I never knew existed. This experience has strengthened my faith in God - and everyone’s support has strengthened my faith in humanity.
Thank you all so very much... for everything!
 
Recently, Hilderbrand’s grandfather contributed $10,000 from a college fund he had set up for Hilderbrand, boosting the reward to $25,000.

Investigators told her that the case is being considered a homicide, and she has heard that it is possibly linked to the killings of five people at a Medicine Valley Road home in White Swan on June 8.

The homicides occurred about 15 ½ miles west of where the Civic was found.

Two men — James Dean Cloud and Donovan Quinn Carter Cloud — were initially arrested in connection with the killings and have since been charged in connection with a related carjacking.

Mother hopes for information to find 2 men missing on way to Dead & Co. concert
 
Today Liz shared that the bullet casings found in the boys' car matched those at the White Swan murders, which happened hours later. This is going to be a very interesting timeline as it develops.

The Clouds have already been charged with one carjacking/murder, is this just another one during the period leading up to the massacre? Wrong place, wrong time? Or is there more to it than that? And how were they able to hide J&J's bodies with so much going on? Or did they just get lucky with a random dump site? Maybe it'll be found by coming areas along cell-tower pings, and it just takes time because the area is so remote.
 
Sounds like some info may be forthcoming. I don't know if Josiah's mom Liz is following this site, it really wouldn't make much sense at this point -- she knows way more than we do, and we have very little to sleuth. Being a deadhead myself, I have wanted to reach out to her, but as she has been very clear about being unwilling to share what she knows to protect the case, I've kept my distance.

So far, it seems like my initial theories were dead wrong, and my only questions at this point revolve around whether they somehow got caught up in the White Swan killing spree, and if so, whether that was an accident or they had some connections there. If they were just passing through, that would be tragic, and from everything else I've read about the missing and murdered in that region, maybe it's time to send in the National Guard or something.

Anyhow, this is from Liz via the "Help Bring Josiah Home" FB page:

The decision has been made to breathe life into the public aspect of the search for Josiah and Jon again. The fbi has been working tirelessly on their case and I have great confidence in - and great respect for - the agent handling it. I have learned in life that it is best to hand the reins over and look for guidance from those more experienced to handle them, so I have done so from the start. What this has meant for me is that I have had to find the strength and humility to surrender over and over and over again - to release control - rid myself of expectations - and hold on tight to hope and faith. It is very important to me that Josiah’s body is found. This is not because I believe that his body is “him” - I know that he is free - but as his mother, who always swore to care and provide for him, I feel that it is my duty to make sure that he is cared for this one last time. I want his body (skeleton by now) picked up gently - and laid down gently - and I want to honor him with song and prayer and ceremony. It is, in my mind, the only part of this horrific story that we might be able to change. It may shock some of you to hear that I do not want justice - that doesn’t mean I’m opposed to it - but I know that it won’t bring me peace. I am not angry. I am grieving deeply - incredibly sad - but I do not get mired in resentment, anger or thoughts of revenge - my spirit cannot afford them. What happened to him cannot be changed, but how it happened can. I do not trap myself with thoughts like “I will not rest until...” or “I will not be at peace until...” because I know that I am setting myself up for extreme discomfort now - and maybe extreme disappointment in the future. The commitment I have is to continue to do the next right thing and allow God to be responsible for the results. This whole experience has strengthened and broadened my spirituality in ways I never knew existed. This experience has strengthened my faith in God - and everyone’s support has strengthened my faith in humanity.
Thank you all so very much... for everything!
Today Liz shared that the bullet casings found in the boys' car matched those at the White Swan murders, which happened hours later. This is going to be a very interesting timeline as it develops.

The Clouds have already been charged with one carjacking/murder, is this just another one during the period leading up to the massacre? Wrong place, wrong time? Or is there more to it than that? And how were they able to hide J&J's bodies with so much going on? Or did they just get lucky with a random dump site? Maybe it'll be found by coming areas along cell-tower pings, and it just takes time because the area is so remote.
Today Liz shared that the bullet casings found in the boys' car matched those at the White Swan murders, which happened hours later. This is going to be a very interesting timeline as it develops.

The Clouds have already been charged with one carjacking/murder, is this just another one during the period leading up to the massacre? Wrong place, wrong time? Or is there more to it than that? And how were they able to hide J&J's bodies with so much going on? Or did they just get lucky with a random dump site? Maybe it'll be found by coming areas along cell-tower pings, and it just takes time because the area is so remote.


I was also at the show in Virginia last Summer. Saw a Josiah post and commented that I would blanket that lot with fliers of his face. I got a response from Mom, saying "no use they didn't make it to the gorge and it was unnecessary. My though was "maybe they kept going". After that response I thought with all those people going in one direction for the same show, odds are in favor of these suspects being heads themselves. I of course use that term loosely there. She sounded pretty sure of herself that this had all been figured out. But I am not sure of anything and will be keeping my eyes peeled at this coming tour. Never know.
 
It's crazy. Despite a public declaration that their disappearance might be related to the White Swan murders:

Disappearance of two California men possibly related to White Swan homicides - YakTriNews.com

as well as the mom revealing what she did, it took until LAST MONTH to even get charges laid down regarding THOSE murders, and still no mention of these young men.

Clouds finally charged in White Swan mass murder

I guess they're hoping to get someone to reveal something.

Good luck with that. There's a lot of bad stuff happening on that reservation, and they haven't been able to get it under control yet.
 
$35,000 Reward Offered, in Part by the FBI, in Case of Missing Former Southern Humboldt Man – Redheaded Blackbelt

Last Thursday, the FBI issued a $10,000 reward for information regarding the whereabouts of former Southern Humboldt man, Josiah Hilderbrand. That coupled with a reward raised by family and friends brings the total to $35,000.
Josiah’s mother is hopeful that the rewards will bring out information on where her son’s body might be located.
Missing her son terribly, the mother shared this:
“He was my only child – that part of my life is done. No kids. No grandkids. No one to care for me when I’m old and frail. My greatest fear is growing old alone. That fear has always been there, but I knew I would always have him no matter what. What I have learned now, is that I don’t know anything. Many of our greatest plans and most of our worst fears will be dashed by unforeseen circumstances – both tragedy and blessings that seem to come out of nowhere.
I have gained some deep knowledge – some upper level of wisdom – that I never wanted and don’t suggest you aspire to. The price still seems too great – the pain too deep – and a loss too overwhelming. The bullets that ripped through his body, ripped through my life and I am still here trying to pick up the pieces. I am quite sure I will never find them all. There will be gaping holes left with parts of our story never to be written. It is impossible to come to terms with. Some facts just can’t get right with our conscience. They cannot be justified.”
 
Rest in Peace Josiah and Jon. Prayers for Family and friends. Josiah's Mom was an awesome advocate for these friends found deceased. They can go home now for a proper burial MOO
 
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