WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #13

[Jules71]

And I can hardly wait to see what the white car turns up?
Salem

I am new here - hi!
Where did you read that the car they took from the search is white?

 

[JenniferO]

Welcome to the board, Jules71

 

[kalekona]

I do not feel they (LE) would have taken just any "*advertiser censored*" magazine. It would be my opinion it would be more of child *advertiser censored* taken from the home. Millions of people have *advertiser censored* mags in there home, now child *advertiser censored* is a whole other story and would certainly raise some eybrows with LE.
Moo of course

Trust me if the *advertiser censored* had been child *advertiser censored* they WOULD have taken much more than they did (especially computers) and someone would have been arrested.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

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With all due respect Seriouslysearching - I would NEVER let LE into our home and onto our property 3 months after a child went missing. I know we would demand the search be done legally - a search warrant in hand. LE everywhere, can and have become overwhelmed by the urgency to solve crimes involving a missing child. The Constitution was created for our protection against LE swarming our homes in an unexpected manner. Judging people as being 'uninterested' who don't willingly open up their home for LE, is a judgement even our Constitution, judges, and court rooms will not make. If the majority of people begin to judge those who don't willingly open their doors to LE on a PRN basis - they will render our Constitution to that of a worthless piece of paper. MHO

During the first days of the investigation, LE went from house to house through town and simply asked people if they could search. From what I understand this included looking around inside their homes. How many people denied access to LE? Did LE then go get a warrant to search their properties? Perhaps this is where the mention of dozens of warrants had been served in this case?

In a rural area where other people could have access to those old buildings...it wouldn't be unusual for LE to want to search there. So I have to disagree on the whole thing about protecting themselves if they knew for a fact there was nothing to be found. To say they will sue LE after the search is very unusual, imo.

 

[Jules71]

Thank you!! I have been reading for awhile now and decided to join. This is a class act site. You all do a great job here! Thanks!

 

[kageykaren]

Hi Jules 71! Hi, Kalekona, so glad you both made it here. We could use some fresh eyes on this case so the focus remains on figuring out where Lindsey is. Kalekona your a long time member and a Washingtonian like many of us so thanks for venturing over to Lindsey's case. I'm hoping more members will follow! ~<3~

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Jules and Kalekona~

I agree. If they found child *advertiser censored* anywhere, someone would have been arrested on the spot...if not all of them until they decided who it belonged to or who was aware of it. They don't mess around with child *advertiser censored*.

 

[eyes4crime]

During the first days of the investigation, LE went from house to house through town and simply asked people if they could search. From what I understand this included looking around inside their homes. How many people denied access to LE? Did LE then go get a warrant to search their properties? Perhaps this is where the mention of dozens of warrants had been served in this case?

In a rural area where other people could have access to those old buildings...it wouldn't be unusual for LE to want to search there. So I have to disagree on the whole thing about protecting themselves if they knew for a fact there was nothing to be found. To say they will sue LE after the search is very unusual, imo.

My comment was IF 3 MONTHS AFTER a child went missing LE wanted in our home without a warrant they would not be allowed in....I wasn't talking about the next day or the day of....although I would respect anybody who insisted on a warrant for a home and property search at any time. Our right to feel safe in our homes is important and protected by the Constitution.

Regarding suing LE - if the warrant was signed by a judge for legit reasons, they have no grounds for a suit. If somebody in that home gave the wrong answer to a question - that's their problem. That person is responsible for the answers he/she gave to LE and if it was a wrong answer - too bad! imo if that's the case, it was their stupidity that invited the search.

 

[kalekona]

Thanks for the salutations.
I am less than 2 hours away from McCleary but have to say I have been saddened by the lack of media attention both local and national.
Makes me believe if there is no scandal connected to a case the media simply reports it and moves on.
But we haven't been getting much LE info on this case at all either and that makes it very hard to keep it in the spot light.
Hoping this search and the "drama" behind it might keep this little ones name in the headlines.

 

[Jules71]

When I do a white pages reverse address seach for the property that was serached this past weekend, I find a person with initials BB. Has there been anything said about this individual? If you then do a search on the internet on his phone #, you get an address on SR8 in McCleary. Cross reference that address and you find a business name. Has this location been searched?

If this has already been discussed I apologize. Also, please let me know if I step over the line as I am not too familiar with the rules of the board yet. Thanks!

Jules

 

[SeriouslySearching]

My comment was IF 3 MONTHS AFTER a child went missing LE wanted in our home without a warrant they would not be allowed in....I wasn't talking about the next day or the day of....although I would respect anybody who insisted on a warrant for a home and property search at any time. Our right to feel safe in our homes is important and protected by the Constitution.

Regarding suing LE - if the warrant was signed by a judge for legit reasons, they have no grounds for a suit. If somebody in that home gave the wrong answer to a question - that's their problem. That person is responsible for the answers he/she gave to LE and if it was a wrong answer - too bad! imo if that's the case, it was their stupidity that invited the search.

I understand you said 3 months. If it was 3 months, 3 days, or 3 hours, people should not hesitate to open up for a search for Lindsey or any missing child, imo. I would want them to search my property knowing there were old buildings etc. I would have asked people already to come check out those buildings and old cars just in case.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

ETA: I do understand the need for protection against illegal search and seizure tho. Don't misunderstand what I am saying here. I believe in our Constitutional rights.

 

[kageykaren]

You would think! My eyes went big when I watched the reporter (Kiro) holding his lap top showing post on a Lindsey thread out side GHSO. He stated threats comming across the internet involving the lates search warrents. Hopefull this reporter can read through the lines and question others in the town. Wish I could line the guys pockets to get to the nitty gritty of what happened to Lindsey and where she is. He could stay objective not being from there and involved with families. Hope the traveling reporter looks deeper. So many people not directly related to Lindsey's crime have joined. It would be great to have a reporter online! Wishful thinking! Doesn't hurt to ask him though.

 

[mysticrose]

Trust me if the *advertiser censored* had been child *advertiser censored* they WOULD have taken much more than they did (especially computers) and someone would have been arrested.

I'm sure you are right about the arrest, unless it was found outside the home on the property and everyone denied it being theirs, jmo of course...

 

[mysticrose]

Oh how I wish I had a magic wand....Lindsey where are you ?

 

[mysticrose]

Updated Sep 28, 2009 - 3:20 pm
No arrests in new search for McCleary girl

Grays Harbor County Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel says they questioned one person in particular, but have not made an arrest.

Sgt. Steve Shumate told KIRO Radio, on Friday, that if they don't get the information they're hoping for, then "we move on. We go to the next tip until we ultimately find her."


http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218330

Short article but interesting statement....

 

[scandi]

Trust me if the *advertiser censored* had been child *advertiser censored* they WOULD have taken much more than they did (especially computers) and someone would have been arrested.

Hi Kalekona, It's nice to meet you.

We don't have specifics on exactly what was taken as we haven't seen a screen shot of the warrants yet. All we have from a link is condoms, a *advertiser censored* magazine and a white car from yesterday's article.

So do you know anything more than this about what was taken? I think the article said there were bags of things taken from the property. Do you know if a computer/s was taken? Thanks

 

[scandi]

You would think! My eyes went big when I watched the reporter (Kiro) holding his lap top showing post on a Lindsey thread out side GHSO. He stated threats comming across the internet involving the lates search warrents. Hopefull this reporter can read through the lines and question others in the town. Wish I could line the guys pockets to get to the nitty gritty of what happened to Lindsey and where she is. He could stay objective not being from there and involved with families. Hope the traveling reporter looks deeper. So many people not directly related to Lindsey's crime have joined. It would be great to have a reporter online! Wishful thinking! Doesn't hurt to ask him though.

I saw that too Karen. I looked at it real hard from across the room LOL and it looked like the In Sessions site. Not sure as I seldom go there but it had the same look. I just thought it was interesting.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Updated Sep 28, 2009 - 3:20 pm
No arrests in new search for McCleary girl

Grays Harbor County Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel says they questioned one person in particular, but have not made an arrest.

Sgt. Steve Shumate told KIRO Radio, on Friday, that if they don't get the information they're hoping for, then "we move on. We go to the next tip until we ultimately find her."


http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218330

Short article but interesting statement....

And what information are they still hoping for if they found nothing of interest? It is a very interesting statement.

 

[Jules71]

All we have from a link is condoms, a *advertiser censored* magazine and a white car from yesterday's article.

Again, where does it state it was a white car?

from: http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html
"Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing."

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I saw that too Karen. I looked at it real hard from across the room LOL and it looked like the In Sessions site. Not sure as I seldom go there but it had the same look. I just thought it was interesting.

It was the other one. (I saw what appeared to be 3 little monkeys waving their arms perhaps.)