Deceased/Not Found WA - Rachael Anderson, 40, Clarkston, 16 April 2010 - #3 *C. Capone guilty*

[monkeymama]

BBM. Yes. And yes.

LE just holding what they have close to protect their eventual case. I think they've learned from past mistakes, and it's rampant everywhere. Two other cases in particular come to mind, I guess because I am also following them.

Susan Cox (Powell, though I despise attaching that name to her). Lots of us going nuts wishing LE would let us know what they have. They haven't handed out a thing since she went missing, or at least since Joshie boy clammed up and ran home to daddykins.

Mackenzie Cowell. A bit more has come out in her case, but mostly because her body was found a few days after she went missing, and by Joe Blow out for a walk. But still mostly local rumor mill chewing it over and wishing for more information.

In this case, I think CC has given them an absolute WEALTH of stuff to float their boat. Probably so much they are slobbering over themselves. Certainly enough to get him into prison and held on unrelated (or not) weapons charge, and use his past recorded history to make that prison hold stick, for now at least. Those charging papers had far more about his recent past than just "he's a felon known to have bought a gun."

If CC isn't talking, or at least not telling them the truth, it may well come down to either forensics or somebody stumbling over a body inadvertently, if we presume worst case scenario.

Forensics in ID are going to take a good long while. Even in WA, unless you shoot a Seattle cop, there simply is no 24-48 hour turnaround from the crime labs. Where is Idaho's? Boise maybe? Or do we even have our own?

Regardless, when they have the cold hard evidence and can make a case stick and more charges are filed, that's when we'll hear. Meantime I'd be shocked if LE did more than throw out the occasional bone, and that most likely will come in the form of asking the public for information. If they have even done that thus far, I seem to have missed it.

I trust they are working this. And want VERY much to keep CC behind bars to buy them investigation time. Harder for them if he pulls a cut-and-run like Powell did. He already announced he had planned to sell and move to AZ.

LE ain't stupid enough to let the timing on that call to Fapone be written off as coincidence.

patience, Grasshopper, patience. Much speculation ensues meantime.

bbm. That is exactly it. I know of a felon off hand who has a gun and shouldn't. ATF hasn't come knocking on his door. IMO, I think that the task force brought in ATF because they could make that charge stick while they were looking into the disappearance. As you said, its a lot harder to conduct an investigation AND track down a suspect who ran off to another state.

 

[monkeymama]

p.s. Websleuths now my first website listed on my most visited pages over Facebook and my college login for online classes.

 

[1forevry1]

p.s. Websleuths now my first website listed on my most visited pages over Facebook and my college login for online classes.

I never would have thought my facebook would have competition till this....

 

[monkeymama]

I never would have thought my facebook would have competition till this....

me too. Guess there is something more important than social networking.

Have you heard any more back from your friend's trip? My hubby thinks I am being nosey and should just stay out of it, but I've been trying to manipulate a way to go searching. Hmm...maybe I should suggest mushroom hunting.

 

[1forevry1]

I haven't heard a word from him. Which isn't unusual he has little ones to get to bed too, so hopefully, I would think if he found something we would know.
My husband says I am nosey too.... and I say yupp dang right I am.
Mushroom hunting might be interesting!

 

[1forevry1]

The funds will be used to to help the family in finding Rachael and help keep her estate in good standing.

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/group.php?gid=116680731683607&ref=ts

For those that have been on the WS site through other cases is this normal for family to do? Should donations being made go to a reward or to help the family with their search?? Does it normally go to help an estate??

 

[monkeymama]

The funds will be used to to help the family in finding Rachael and help keep her estate in good standing.

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/group.php?gid=116680731683607&ref=ts

For those that have been on the WS site through other cases is this normal for family to do? Should donations being made go to a reward or to help the family with their search?? Does it normally go to help an estate??

I don't know if it is normal or not. I just took it as they were going to use the money to pay for the bills (rent, electricity, etc. ) that she has. That way everything will be up to date and in good standing for her hopeful return. I know they were talking about starting a reward fund too. I think it all depends on the situation and family. I'm surprised they haven't appointed a family spokesperson. Maybe we do just watch too much CSI though.

 

[hollyblue]

BBM. Yes. And yes.

LE just holding what they have close to protect their eventual case. I think they've learned from past mistakes, and it's rampant everywhere. Two other cases in particular come to mind, I guess because I am also following them.

Susan Cox (Powell, though I despise attaching that name to her). Lots of us going nuts wishing LE would let us know what they have. They haven't handed out a thing since she went missing, or at least since Joshie boy clammed up and ran home to daddykins.

Mackenzie Cowell. A bit more has come out in her case, but mostly because her body was found a few days after she went missing, and by Joe Blow out for a walk. But still mostly local rumor mill chewing it over and wishing for more information.

In this case, I think CC has given them an absolute WEALTH of stuff to float their boat. Probably so much they are slobbering over themselves. Certainly enough to get him into prison and held on unrelated (or not) weapons charge, and use his past recorded history to make that prison hold stick, for now at least. Those charging papers had far more about his recent past than just "he's a felon known to have bought a gun."

If CC isn't talking, or at least not telling them the truth, it may well come down to either forensics or somebody stumbling over a body inadvertently, if we presume worst case scenario.

Forensics in ID are going to take a good long while. Even in WA, unless you shoot a Seattle cop, there simply is no 24-48 hour turnaround from the crime labs. Where is Idaho's? Boise maybe? Or do we even have our own?

Regardless, when they have the cold hard evidence and can make a case stick and more charges are filed, that's when we'll hear. Meantime I'd be shocked if LE did more than throw out the occasional bone, and that most likely will come in the form of asking the public for information. If they have even done that thus far, I seem to have missed it.

I trust they are working this. And want VERY much to keep CC behind bars to buy them investigation time. Harder for them if he pulls a cut-and-run like Powell did. He already announced he had planned to sell and move to AZ.

LE ain't stupid enough to let the timing on that call to Fapone be written off as coincidence.

patience, Grasshopper, patience. Much speculation ensues meantime.

Coeur d'Alene office would be handling it.

The Idaho State Police is divided geographically into 6 regions with a central headquarters and training facility located in Meridian, Idaho. The six regional offices (1-6) are Coeur d'Alene, Lewiston, Boise, Twin Falls, Pocatello and Idaho Falls.[6] Each region has a different captain and command staff, and are managed differently. Each region has two divisions; patrol and investigations. Despite the large size of the state, the force only consists of 256 troopers (62 of them assigned to the Investigations Section [7]) and 78 civilian staff. [8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_State_Police

 

[1forevry1]

I guess maybe I need to clarify what I wrote. Again, this is info I got from the family. Charled told LE that she came up to Moscow Fri (I do not know the time lines) to either get her car or check on progress. He told LE that they met at a bar, had a few drinks and then she left, alone and was mad at him. I have spoke to Office Dan Hally and he states that there have been "confirmations" that she was in Moscow. Now I have no idea if this means that people confirm seeing them at a bar, or if the confirmation just came from Charles admiting to being the last person to see her. Everything else in my last post was my theory
My theory was, they met at a bar - dont know why but if there were confirmations that she was seen, it may have been from the bartender or other patrons in the bar - and I don't know which bar
He says, she left on her own, mad at him. That way it looks like that was the last anyone saw her and maybe the bartender could confirm that she left in her "own" car (I believe it was the loaner since she never got her car)
My theory is she got in the loaner car and went to his business
He got in his car and went to his business
That is where I believe the unknown happened. By telling the LE that she left alone then she would not have got her own car and by placing the loaner car in Lewiston, it showed that she did not go to his business to get the car. I feel this is the "story" he is giving LE because then taking the loaner car to Lewiston throws them off the trail (or maybe that's what he thought) from what really happened in Moscow. Yes his business has been searched and they have found evidence, but of what, those details are not privy to anyone as of yet. Again these are my theories on what happened.

We asked my step son last night if he's willing to talk to an investigator about Charles. He had no idea that Charles was even in question because of all the things he witnessed he was told by his mother that someone else was doing it (and I have spoke to Officer Hally about this other person and he has been cleared) so I don't want to give out any names. But it makes me wonder, did she think that Charles really was not doing any of these things?? Or was she just pertecting her son?? So many holes and unknowns in this case.

As I reread this, this sticks out to me .... This doesn't necessarily tell us ANYONE PHYSICALLY SAW Rachael IN Moscow, "she" could have simply gotten gas, maybe they just found a receipt, or maybe her cell phone had a connection in Moscow?? Maybe?? What "confirmation" is this??

 

[hollyblue]

anyoldtime48 I needed that ... thank you. I get squirrelly at least once a day and need to get set back and talked to. Normally my husband does that for me but when he is out of town you guys are all I have that even listens (at least I like to think so ) .

I do believe that LE has a wealth of information as well and I do know that blowing the case just to appease the joe public isn't going to help any one.

I am also with monkeymama, I do not think that Rachael is in Moscow, that just isn't sitting right with me for some reason. Well I lie, for alot of reasons actually.

I agree with anyoldtime48 in most of what was posted, except the fact I think LE is holding too much info that would not hinder the investigaion but might lead to her being seen or found or even searched for. Maybe they know of something we don't or have evidence of sorts and with CC's background, they feel she is gone. I really don't want to be negative here, but it does seem basic info is not being released.

 

[1forevry1]

OK I guess I left some more off

Charles said - she left alone and she was mad

and that's it, she left. Did not go to his shop (according to his story)

My theory was, that she left the bar but met up with him at his shop. I don't think that she was mad at him. Maybe just wanted to get her car and then have nothing to do with him. And if there is a bar that is w/in walking distance, then she very well could have just walked from the bar to his shop and Charles is leaving that out. Either way I FEEL THAT CHARLES IS LEAVING A LOT OUT.

What's really freaky is the day that he choked and slapped RA around, he came to my house wanting to speak to my hubby. Not sure what he wanted but it freaks me out knowing now what kind of person he is and that he knew where I lived!! uuurrrgggg I get the hee bee gee bees

She called my hubby either that day or around that day and told my hubby about the situation and that she wanted nothing to do with him and that she was getting a new phone # and gave it to us, since we need to keep in contact with her because of the little man. I guess he had his hooks in her good because she willingly took her car to him to have him fix later. I can only imagine the lies that he told her to have her come around more. I saw a news story with AG and she said that he would tell her "I'm getting weird messages too and I'm being harrassed too" and I can only imagine how confused she must have been. It's easy to say "why in the world would she...." but when in the actual situation, you never know how you will react.

What in the WORLD would he be doing coming to talk to Rachaels ex husband???????

 

[anyoldtime48]

p.s. Websleuths now my first website listed on my most visited pages over Facebook and my college login for online classes.

...and quickly on the road to an addiction!

 

[anyoldtime48]

Coeur d'Alene office would be handling it.

The Idaho State Police is divided geographically into 6 regions with a central headquarters and training facility located in Meridian, Idaho. The six regional offices (1-6) are Coeur d'Alene, Lewiston, Boise, Twin Falls, Pocatello and Idaho Falls.[6] Each region has a different captain and command staff, and are managed differently. Each region has two divisions; patrol and investigations. Despite the large size of the state, the force only consists of 256 troopers (62 of them assigned to the Investigations Section [7]) and 78 civilian staff. [8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_State_Police

They have the crime lab here??? Spanking new bldg, but if they can handle forensics, that one is news to me. Then again, I only use their web site to check news releases on major traffic accidents.

And try to remember it's a 25mph zone past that spanking new bldg!

Of course, depending on how busy they are, might send it elsewhere. I'd expect Meridian to have a larger, more experienced one due simply to larger population base. But then again, there is that spanking new bldg and maybe they couldn't wait to get a first class lab in there.

Further perusal (rather useful web site after all!) suggests from this chart, that Meridian is much better suited to handle. They win the battle of the X's.

http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/labs.html

CDA doesn't want to deal with dead bodies. Or DNA. Both likely to be crucial before all is said and done, though I hope the dead body belongs to CC, even if that makes me a tad evil.

 

[anyoldtime48]

I agree with anyoldtime48 in most of what was posted, except the fact I think LE is holding too much info that would not hinder the investigaion but might lead to her being seen or found or even searched for. Maybe they know of something we don't or have evidence of sorts and with CC's background, they feel she is gone. I really don't want to be negative here, but it does seem basic info is not being released.

Do we know that LE is not conducting searches? They may need to preserve potential crime scenes if CC is sending them out on wild goose chases, or they are eliminating areas they believe likely from what they have learned thus far in their investigation. Before they call on area civilians to get out and look. I'm sure they don't want anybody getting lost or injured out searching.

I just can't recall any recent case in this half of the country where LE was begging people to search and telling them where to look.

Other than stating when she was last seen, and in Moscow, how much more might they be holding on to that would help find her? If CC had told them he killed her and where he left her, game over. But I doubt he is talking. Doubt he can "recall" what she was wearing.

A little jail time therapy might change his attitude, but I really feel he is the one holding the key to this.

I don't think LE much cares what the public in general thinks of how little they put out, so long as they are giving the family tidbits and keeping them in the loop. If they thought they had a serial killer on their hands, or a known psychopath running loose (like Phillip Paul from the Spokane County Fair) and immediate public safety is the issue -- different story of course. Otherwise, they are all about solving this, since they don't see a maniac with weapon running loose among us. Threat over as long as CC sits in jail.

That may sound cold, but I think it's pretty much the reality. They don't think they have anything to share that will help find Rachael and solve the mystery of what happened to her.

Indeed wish it were different, but it is what it is, heavy sigh.

 

[anyoldtime48]

anyoldtime48 I needed that ... thank you. I get squirrelly at least once a day and need to get set back and talked to. Normally my husband does that for me but when he is out of town you guys are all I have that even listens (at least I like to think so ) .

I do believe that LE has a wealth of information as well and I do know that blowing the case just to appease the joe public isn't going to help any one.

I am also with monkeymama, I do not think that Rachael is in Moscow, that just isn't sitting right with me for some reason. Well I lie, for alot of reasons actually.

:truce: oopsie? Not intended as lecture. Just long-winded reminder LE isn't EVER going to move on OUR schedules.

As for those FBI profilers -- I bet they don't toss out serious "live action background" profiles in under 10 minutes like on Criminal Minds, either. :waitasec:

Daily reminder to self that TV dramas aren't real. So much.

If Rachael would just come home and walk back in her front door, all the seemingly endless waiting on LE would be over.

 

[hollyblue]

They have the crime lab here??? Spanking new bldg, but if they can handle forensics, that one is news to me. Then again, I only use their web site to check news releases on major traffic accidents.

And try to remember it's a 25mph zone past that spanking new bldg!

Of course, depending on how busy they are, might send it elsewhere. I'd expect Meridian to have a larger, more experienced one due simply to larger population base. But then again, there is that spanking new bldg and maybe they couldn't wait to get a first class lab in there.

Further perusal (rather useful web site after all!) suggests from this chart, that Meridian is much better suited to handle. They win the battle of the X's.

http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/labs.html

CDA doesn't want to deal with dead bodies. Or DNA. Both likely to be crucial before all is said and done, though I hope the dead body belongs to CC, even if that makes me a tad evil.

Not from around there, so don't know of any new bldg in CDA or what it may include. But according to your website posted, it looks like the Boise/Meridian area just might be handling. Dunno for sure. I'm sure since the training is there, they have more abilities.

 

[monkeymama]

Ok, it's 3 am and I will have 3 kids up in 4 hours, so I have got to curb this addiction. I just reread everything and have not come up with anything more than more questions. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but these are the things that bother me the most:

1) The phone. Either it was in the Yukon, or it wasn’t.
Article dated 4/20/2010
“Clarkston Police say they tracked her cell phone to an area in Lewiston. Her family says that area is an open field investigators spent most of the day and night Monday searching but didn't find anything.
AG says “I feel like someone took her, the car is gone, her phone is in a field,”
http://www.kxly.com/news/23213401/detail.html
Then: this article says it was found in the vehicle.
Clarkston Police Chief Joel Hastings said the vehicle Rachael Anderson was reportedly driving has been recovered in Lewiston, Idaho. He said her cellular telephone was inside the vehicle. Last week, a building in Moscow, Idaho, was searched for additional clues.
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/news/article_538925fe-5163-11df-b08f-001cc4c03286.html
2) The vehicle wasn’t found until Wednesday. I really think it HAD to have been hidden and dumped to avert suspicion. There is just no way it could have sat there without anyone noticing all weeked. JMO
Police say a call came in about 12:30 p.m. and they went to a location where Anderson's missing loaner GMC Yukon was found.
"A citizen reported seeing the vehicle that Miss Anderson had been driving in North Lewiston parked on the side of the road," said Clarkston Police Chief Joel Hastings. "There was nothing that could be seen inside of the vehicle that was suspicious or indicated that a struggle had occurred inside of the vehicle."
http://www.klewtv.com/news/local/91761864.html
Next, from way back on the fb page:
Comment dated 4/23/2010 a group was going to search but AG called and said to wait on the search. Also rumored that a search dog caught RA’s scent, but lost it possibly due to crop dusting.
Also a comment said she was getting the boys’ haircut on the 9th and that’s when she said she thought she had it figured out.
Further back, comment from AG saying the vehicle was found, but the phone was not.
Someone said they saw her the night of the 15th at a movie store.
I realize this probably isn’t everything that bugs me, but as far as I know, these are the main points that HAVE NOT been answered.
Also, 141, I thought I saw a post saying that the storage shed was in RA’s name in Lewiston. Someone else has said Moscow.
Finally (TIA for bearing with me) Why has the fb page gone silent? There were many requests for help searching, many offers to search, and now nobody is searching. Why not?

 

[hollyblue]

Two handy links for Rachael Anderson news:

http://interceder.net/news/rachael-anderson

http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com?date=2010-05-06&zoom=0&subs=anews."rachael+anderson",anews

These are great sites BeanE. Just now had time to check them out. Thank you.:dance:

 

[1forevry1]

:truce: oopsie? Not intended as lecture. Just long-winded reminder LE isn't EVER going to move on OUR schedules.

As for those FBI profilers -- I bet they don't toss out serious "live action background" profiles in under 10 minutes like on Criminal Minds, either. :waitasec:

Daily reminder to self that TV dramas aren't real. So much.

If Rachael would just come home and walk back in her front door, all the seemingly endless waiting on LE would be over.

No worries anyoldtime.. I didn't really take it as a lecture. More as a common sense, slow down, and breathe. I do get over worked and start thinking with the gnawing part of my brain rather then the logical part! :banghead:

 

[1forevry1]

Ok, it's 3 am and I will have 3 kids up in 4 hours, so I have got to curb this addiction. I just reread everything and have not come up with anything more than more questions. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but these are the things that bother me the most:

1) The phone. Either it was in the Yukon, or it wasn’t.
Article dated 4/20/2010
“Clarkston Police say they tracked her cell phone to an area in Lewiston. Her family says that area is an open field investigators spent most of the day and night Monday searching but didn't find anything.
AG says “I feel like someone took her, the car is gone, her phone is in a field,”
http://www.kxly.com/news/23213401/detail.html
Then: this article says it was found in the vehicle.
Clarkston Police Chief Joel Hastings said the vehicle Rachael Anderson was reportedly driving has been recovered in Lewiston, Idaho. He said her cellular telephone was inside the vehicle. Last week, a building in Moscow, Idaho, was searched for additional clues.
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/news/article_538925fe-5163-11df-b08f-001cc4c03286.html
2) The vehicle wasn’t found until Wednesday. I really think it HAD to have been hidden and dumped to avert suspicion. There is just no way it could have sat there without anyone noticing all weeked. JMO
Police say a call came in about 12:30 p.m. and they went to a location where Anderson's missing loaner GMC Yukon was found.
"A citizen reported seeing the vehicle that Miss Anderson had been driving in North Lewiston parked on the side of the road," said Clarkston Police Chief Joel Hastings. "There was nothing that could be seen inside of the vehicle that was suspicious or indicated that a struggle had occurred inside of the vehicle."
http://www.klewtv.com/news/local/91761864.html
Next, from way back on the fb page:
Comment dated 4/23/2010 a group was going to search but AG called and said to wait on the search. Also rumored that a search dog caught RA’s scent, but lost it possibly due to crop dusting.
Also a comment said she was getting the boys’ haircut on the 9th and that’s when she said she thought she had it figured out.
Further back, comment from AG saying the vehicle was found, but the phone was not.
Someone said they saw her the night of the 15th at a movie store.
I realize this probably isn’t everything that bugs me, but as far as I know, these are the main points that HAVE NOT been answered.
Also, 141, I thought I saw a post saying that the storage shed was in RA’s name in Lewiston. Someone else has said Moscow.
Finally (TIA for bearing with me) Why has the fb page gone silent? There were many requests for help searching, many offers to search, and now nobody is searching. Why not?

Good questions monkeymama. Here are the answers as I know them..

Yes the phone WAS found IN the Yukon. The news report with AG was before they had found the Yukon and were going off of the phone pinging in the field.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/local/92143689.html

We at first knew that Rachaels has a storage shed IN Lewiston across from the field on Warner Ave. But later learned that there was also a storage shed apparently in Moscow in CC'c name. This has never that I am aware of been a proven fact and the search warrant LE got for the PMS might very well have included whatever shed they had at one time been talking about that was CC's.

I wondered the exact same thing about the FB page. It used to be that Amber would post something even if it was a tid bit daily. That has not happened in a few days as far as I am aware. Unless as of this morning since I haven't checked yet I may have missed something.

You are correct, there is no one searching that we are aware of. The friend that searched out at Holbrook Island for me yesterday said that while he was out there he felt like he was all alone in his search. Didn't seem to be anything anywhere other then a normal day. Which to us in frustrating. I couldn't do it. I couldn't sit and wait unless my search efforts were exhausted and in this case I just don't see how that can happen with the lack of searches that are going on.
I can completely understand not wanting to ruin a crime scene if it stumbled upon, but in my mind, that isn't going to happen when the majority of the people that want to help search know vaguely what they are looking for. I would think a crime scene would get more tampered with it joe shmo ran across it and was like hmmm WTH?
Ya know what I mean?