WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #2

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And then we have Michael S Corona in Orange County California. Such a great sheriff, and he is the Coroner as well. What I liked about him is he could feel that everyone in America, from shore to shining shore, cared about little Samantha Runion. He went out of his way to keep us updated throughout the investigation. I'm sure there were things he couldn't divulge to us, but he still took time to let us know that and that the whole dept was on the case. Just that extra mile meant so much to all of us. We knew the odds weren't very good in finding her alive under those circumstances and with the statistics on time, but we still held out for hope.

I feel similarily about you CCM. It takes a patient and determined soal to do for Justice what you have accomplished in your career and still the work goes on. Thank goodness for people like you and Corona in public service.

Scandi
 
scandi said:
I think several or at least two of the terrorists were Egyptian, and I know Attah {sp} was. I don't think he was a terrorist because his hands didn't give any inkling he had used them for anything where they might get dirty, calloused or well used. And he was so very thin, and you couldn't be that thin and be heaqlthy enough to pull anything off, at least IMHO.

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I seriously doubt that Lyle was a terrorist, but not because of a lack of calluses. One doesnt need to be hearty to do evil. I doubt that Osama digs his own latrines. Lyle wasn't reading the Koran, the Gideon's Bible was on his nightstand. He wasn't going out in a suicide bombing, or doing anything to make a statement, it was deliberately anonymous.
If he'd turned from his former beliefs, it would make more sense for him to recant somehow. If he still held dissident beliefs, it would also make sense for those to be expressed somehow other than dying uneventfully in a remote motel.
IMO, the closest I'd put Lyle to terrorism is the possiblity that he knew someone involved with the 9/11 tragedy.

Also, someone mentioned the possibility that he was agoraphobic, and afraid of the outdoors, which would explain his missing tan-lines. I don't think that's possible, becuase he was seen pacing alongside the roadway. Not only would an agoraphobic not be likely to walk around in a strange area, but it's also even less likely that he would be near a bunch of moving vehicles.

CCM, I was considering the fact that Lyle changed rooms. I know that noise was the given excuse, but I wonder if it was something more practical. Could the closet's cross bar been broken in his first room? Could he have changed rooms to find something that would hold his weight? Did you check out the old room? (I realize that this is probably immaterial to his ID, but it just crossed my mind.)
 
efxdavid said:
CCM, I was considering the fact that Lyle changed rooms. I know that noise was the given excuse, but I wonder if it was something more practical. Could the closet's cross bar been broken in his first room? Could he have changed rooms to find something that would hold his weight? Did you check out the old room? (I realize that this is probably immaterial to his ID, but it just crossed my mind.)
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Yes, I had checked the first room. There was no indication he had done anything with the first coatrack. It was noisier in the first room, as it was on the end of the building and closest to the highway and a trailer park. The second room was in the center of the motel.
 
coldcaseman said:
Yes, I had checked the first room. There was no indication he had done anything with the first coatrack. It was noisier in the first room, as it was on the end of the building and closest to the highway and a trailer park. The second room was in the center of the motel.
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I used to think he changed rooms because the walls were perhaps thin during construction and not exceptional to blocking out noise. Now that I see that he found it too noisy, I'm wondering if he in the past had to ask people or his neighbors to keep to a certian noise level due to him being a particular person about noise
 
These questions may have already been asked and answered...if so I apologise for the redundancy. But here are some questions I have wondered about for some time now, and not just related to this particular case...Does every state have a missing persons bureau or some agency that oversees the list of missing persons within that particular state? Has ''Lyle's'' picture and information been sent to the bureaus in the surrounding states and perhaps to all states? Is there a specific person or persons who actively look for matches among their state's list when a deceased unidentified person is found in their state or a surrounding state? What about universities in the NW...he looks educated to me...perhaps he has has some college or even graduated. Sorry for the questions but in ''Lyle's'' case it just seems someone would have come forward with an identity for him by now....
 
grievousangel said:
=Does every state have a missing persons bureau or some agency that oversees the list of missing persons within that particular state? Has ''Lyle's'' picture and information been sent to the bureaus in the surrounding states and perhaps to all states? Is there a specific person or persons who actively look for matches among their state's list when a deceased unidentified person is found in their state or a surrounding state?
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It can be real hit and miss, depending on the area. Lyle's info was sent to as many agencies I could find.
 
outofthedark said:
Did you send it also to any immigration departments
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Not specifically. The info was sent to the FBI and we requested they check with the other agencies.
 
Hi Outofthedark,

I think this thread is getting too looooong. :rolleyes: Do you think we should start another one?


By the way, I am just so tickled pinik you are planning your life like you are, and what a fascinating field you are considering. Please stay here throughout your schooling so we can keep tabs on you. We will all want to know what you decide, and posters here are very good at helping in anyway they can.

WS is a class A forum, and has had it's share of those people who do work in the business, from several high profile attorneys, a famous hostess of her own TV show, specialists in many hi-tech fields that we hear about in the news, a well known educator in the forensic pathology and criminalist fields - well I could go on and on. The important thing is that you are touching the keys with many of the great ones in the biz, and for a young person like yourself, it can't help but spur you on as much as possible in the right direction. Neat, Huh! Scandi
 
Spent half the night and all morning reading up on Lyle and this case. My thoughts:

* I don't think he was a terrorist "leftover" from 9/11. His quiet suicide is just not in keeping with their radical ways.
* I don't think he's missing from the WTC from 9/11. With all the dust and crap floating in the air, wouldn't something like that still show up in his lungs for a period of time (that's a complete WAG on my part)?
* From reading the info and looking at his picts, I think his weight loss and suicide was directly related to LOVE - spurned love, an ended relationship...
* Forgive me on this one, I can't shake the feeling that he was gay.
* I also feel that he was estranged from his family and if he sent a letter to someone, it was a "lover" or equivalent. Maybe this person tossed the letter (not caring or wishing no contact with Lyle) and forgot about it.

ccm - were any phones call made or received into his room during his stay? I know this would have been one of the first things LE would check in trying to ID him, but I've seen no direct mention.
Sadly fascinating story!
 
LisainWV said:
ccm - were any phones call made or received into his room during his stay? I know this would have been one of the first things LE would check in trying to ID him, but I've seen no direct mention.
Sadly fascinating story!
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No long distance telephone calls were listed, and he received no calls.
 
LisainWV said:
* Forgive me on this one, I can't shake the feeling that he was gay.
* I also feel that he was estranged from his family and if he sent a letter to someone, it was a "lover" or equivalent. Maybe this person tossed the letter (not caring or wishing no contact with Lyle) and forgot about it.
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You may be right. The more I look at the "suicide" scrap of paper, the more I feel that he wasn't writing it out to make sure he was spelling it right (since the block printing is more deliberate than the other handwriting), but that he had prepared some type of sign alerting whoever found him that it was a case of suicide. He then discarded the note, probably realizing that it would be obvious what had happened. He very well may have been estranged from his family. They may not have seen him for years, nor have any idea where he is.
 
Lyle was seen pacing up and down the highway. Maybe he was waiting on someone. let's say he sent a letter to a companion (male or female) to meet him there if this person wanted to work things out (works with telling hotel staff he would be staying a little longer) and this person does not show.

Another thought, his clothes were clean but he had no luggage just possibly a backpack when he checked in. you can't carry many pieces of clothing in a backpack (I'm assuming it was small, if he had it all, a huge one would have been remembered) and you can tell when clothes have been worn for a long period of time without being washed, so it makes me think he just didn't travel that far to the hotel where he died. Maybe his companion was in another relationship and they needed to meet out of town? I know I'm grasping.

I think he could be id'ed if there was a way of getting his info and picture out to a majority of our population. cases like this one would probably be solved if there was a national tv show that just spotlighted the info.
 
I think he could be id'ed if there was a way of getting his info and picture out to a majority of our population. cases like this one would probably be solved if there was a national tv show that just spotlighted the info.
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I tried America's Most Wanted and I pretty much figured out that was gonna be difficult to do
 
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