Originally Posted by julianne
Please direct me to something that supports the idea that JonBenet had repeated incidents of soiling (defacating) in her pants during the day.
I have read this on here numerous times by RDI's stating that this supports the claims of her being sexually abused. I have never read this anywhere else, so I'm just wondering if ya'll could provide a link to documentation that supports this. Not a quote from a book written to make money, not a message on a forum. Something substantial, please.
What would you consider substantial? We know there is little documentation in this regard that we are able to look at. Most of this issue has been exposed by the housekeeper, Patsy's mother and Fleet White who relayed an incident of having to use a pair of his daughter's underpants for JonBenet when she soiled herself having to bring the soiled panties back when he delivered JBR back home. Yet we also know there are no transcripts from the housekeeper or Patsy's mother or Fleet White or anyone else who may have attested to JBR's soiling issue. We only know of their QUOTED statements because they have been revealed in the very books you don't find legitimate.
However, you have also expressed legitimacy to statements from Smit or Patsy or John, etc. that have no more legitimacy than the very books you seem to find insubstantial in this regard. I find that curious. Should those QUOTED statements that appeared in those supposedly insubstantial books be untrue would it not their legitimacy been argued by the very people that were quoted? They were not. Therefore, we must assume that those QUOTED statements are actual statements from those people regardless of what publication they may have appeared in.
It is quite apparant that Patsy dislikes discussing the soiling issue and repeatedly tries to brush it off as insufficient wiping when questioned in interviews, yet we know that she is being asked these questions because it is already known there WAS a soiling issue.
However, since you insist we are limited to transcripts or other media there is still this...
Interview with Patsy Ramsey - 4/30/97 ~
TT: Do you remember back in 94, typical doctors visit, you fill out all those forms, making some sort of a notation, on one of Dr. Beufs forms about bed-wetting and soiling. That was kind of a concern, you remember anything?
PR: No, before was when I was having chemotherapy. I don't remember. Susanne took them to the doctor a lot then. My housekeeper, a nanny sort of. I dont remember. I mean if
TT: Do you recall filling out these so-called, yes/no question type forms back then?
PR: If I saw it I might remember it.
19 TOM HANEY: Do you recall those particular
20 pants, when she would have worn those last?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: Not for sure. Probably
22 recently because they are dropped in the middle of the
23 floor, but I don't remember exactly.
24 TOM HANEY: They are kind of inside out.
25 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
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1 TOM HANEY: 379 is a close up of it. It
2 appears they are stained.
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
4 TOM HANEY: Is that something that JonBenet
5 had a problem with?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Well she, you know, she was at
7 age where she was learning to wipe herself and, you
8 know, sometimes she wouldn't do such a great job.
9 TOM HANEY:
Did she have accidents, if you
10 will, in the course of the day or the night, as opposed
11 to just bed wetting?
12 PATSY RAMSEY:
Not usually, no, huh-uh. That
13 would probably be more from just not wiping real well.
Bonita Papers ~
Bonita is the first name of the legal secretary who wrote up the Boulder Police reports, mailed them to her nephew in Oregon who in turn double-dealt them to two tabloids for $70,000. Bonita had access to all the BPD reports.
Although in good health, JonBenet had one problem that caused concern to her parents. In one of her visits to the family's pediatrician in 1994, one of 33 visits in the last three years of JonBenet's life, Patsy noted on the office records that she was concerned with the wetting and soiling of underwear.
Also agreeing with the findings of both McCann and Rau was Dr. Jim Monteleone of St. Louis. Dr. Richard Krugman, Dean of the University of Colorado Medical School, an expert first contacted for assistance in the Ramsey case by the D.A.'s office, was the most adamant supporter of the finding of chronic sexual abuse. He felt that in considering the past and present injuries to the hymen that the bedwetting/soiling took on enormous significance.
Enquirer - March 9, 1999 ~
Patsy had entered her 6-year-old beauty queen daughter in the Denver trials of the Hawaiian Tropic pageant, the biggest pageant ever for JonBenet, and the girl was showing signs of stress. A bed-wetting and bed-soiling problem was worsening.
"Many Boulder investigators are convinced JonBenet's bed-wetting triggered the murder," said an inside source.
"Ramsey housekeeper Linda Hoffmann-Pugh told the investigators about the problem."