weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[zoey]

Gus 's. The helio

She broke the other in hot chocolate

 

[katiedid2]

LOL, and :welcome6:

I'm havin juanesha

 

[gngr~snap]

The Sony Cyber-shot DSC-H9 and DSC-H7 cameras provide the ability to delete all the photos in a folder at one time.

Moreover, it's a simple matter to connect the camera to a computer or remove the card from the camera and interface it directly with a computer in order to delete or even [re-]format the card.

She could have entirely overwritten the card or taken it with her and obliterated or hidden it.

I would not be surprised at all to find that she has copies of every file on that card somewhere at this point -- somewhere besides the hoosegow, of course.

I'd also wager a bet that she had downloaded a copy of the users manual on his camera as well which would further point to premeditation.

But JA said that she was shaking during Juan's opening statements. So meds or not, she was lying, imo.

She never shook IMO. The one time when she REALLY should have been shaking was after Det Flores arrested her. (and I think she was, she just wouldn't admit to it.) _she complained early on that she was "cold"
and asked to borrow a sweater! :floorlaugh: Det Flores showed her something shortly after that and she WAS SHAKING * her hand was* she apologized and said again it was because she was cold.
JMO but at that moment she was not about to admit she was scared or nervous... it passed quickly as the lies dripped from her tongue like syrup off of a fork....

OT
*I have only been BAD SCARED a few times...
Once at 14 walking past a horse ranch after watching a softball game at the park...it was after dark and the van of German Shepard guard dogs pulled up for their night patrol job.

SOMEHOW the driver opened the door and lost control of them and they CAME AFTER me and my friend. We could hear snarling barking and chains dragging on the pavement with the....
I started to take off and She screamed to me DON'T RUN!
~I stopped and we stood there and 4 dogs came at us like we were dinner!!!
Drool hanging all the way to the ground...Salivating like Pavlov's dog... We could feel their hot wet breath on our legs, as the drool covered our flip flops...they eyeballed us and growled low...

THANK GOD they guy had given them some command... they did not touch us. He came and leashed them all back up while giving them some foreign language commands... they turned into man's best friend in an instant and they left with him as he apologized to us.

I was SHAKING bad and VERY COLD for a while after that and it was late July in Georgia! My life flashed before my eyes...
That "sound" of the chain link racing towards us, haunted me for years!!!

I am 37 years old and I have no memory of EVER cutting my hands on glass. I have gotten cuts on my feet from broken glass many times. I have cut my hands with all sorts of things - like random plastic things & zippers (things I never thought would cut me) - and of course knives, cans and paper.

I agree... I manage to step on glass often! (can ya tell I was born in TN?)
I should wear shoes more often. I can't remember getting a glass cut on my hand either. NEVER on my fingers! I was taught at a very young age not to touch the glass and get an adult, then I was taught the correct way to clean it up...

They should first ask themselves - How would her stabbing him so many times in the back be part of self-defense?

Very good questions. I think that self defense is off the table.

Why didn't she escape after she shot him in the head? Surely if she had time to go find the knife, she had time to run away and call 911.

^this^

Did her attorneys assist her in adding information in those journals, after the fact Perhaps ?
Perhaps
In many jail visits from her attorneys. There are no cameras on them so its plausible. (Contemporaneous ) lol
It just seems they have visited her, guided her thru the journals , replace with a new journal to add all this garbage.I just can't wrap my head around the fact that this was done before she was arrested. There's just to much information in those journals that seem to have been added during the last four plus years. She's been incarcerated? Moo
Recently an entry she made " my friend is dead" and I don't know how he died.

No her friend was MURDERED, maybe a friend would not write that in their diary but "stabbed to death" or "shot and stabbed to death"

In high school...
My friend "died" from encephalitis.
My friend "died" from complications due to spina bifida.
My friend got stabbed in a fight at a school party. I didn't say murdered, but I wrote "stabbed to death" in my diary...~technically he was "murdered"
My friend was raped and killed, in my diary I said murdered...

As an adult...

My friend committed suicide in my diary I called it suicide.
My friend was murdered in her home (we all know it was her husband who was never charged) and I called it murder.
My friend "died" from MS

JA saying TA "died" = she planned it all and can't call it what it is.
Or even write down the method by which she took his life.

IMO Travis did NOT "die"

These stats reveal what we already know -- that women suffer much more often from domestic violence -- but also that violence against men is certainly not rare.

On average, more than three women and one man are murdered by their intimate partners in this country every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner. Intimate partner homicides accounted for 30% of the murders of women and 5% percent of the murders of men.
(Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003. Bureau of Justice Statistics, Intimate Partner Violence in the U.S. 1993-2004, 2006.)

JMO it is sad, but I feel like a man is more likely to be killed by a woman who abuses/stalks him, than he is to speak up about it or try and press charges of any kind...

Also, how many of these women have someone else do their dirty work and manage to get away with it? -at least for a time?
I wonder do they add these in to the statistics? ~probably not...

 

[Mellinyce]

I'd love to see some mapquested routes, looking for road works etc for the routes she took. And maybe even some hints at where she could have stopped!

love the icon gauntlet...loved when he swiped the continuum as if to say..."I'll take that, tyvm!" lol

 

[thefragile7393]

This is strictly my opinion so don't tar and feather me, but I think the statistics are skewed. I know of at least three men I can think of immediately that have been physically abused and never reported it. They seem to think they would be perceived as wimps if they can't take a few punches from a woman.
My brother died of antifreeze poisoning and although we suspected his wife did it, it was never proven how he was poisoned. His wife had a previous husband who had been shot in the back and that case was never solved.

If I know of that many situations never reported or attributed to women vs men it is logical to follow other people know some that aren't reflected in the statistics as well.

I have long believed that stats are not necessarily reality. I would not doubt if the underreported male stats are much higher than published.

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[popsicle]

Sydni I just talked to my brother, who lives in TN, and he had no clue who Arias was :facepalm: I was like NEVERMIND!

I swore I would never get caught up in another trial after OJ, then came CA (I lied), swore never again......now here I am demanding justice for Travis and his family.

I am very thankful for my family. After dinner on Easter my family, who know about the case but don't follow it, asked what I am going to do when this is over. I told them there are a couple trials starting soon.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I have been reading the posts on this thread and I am struck by several common themes shared by so many of us.
The most prominent and significant ones are PAIN. HURT. LOSS. I do so wish I could wave a magic wand and make all of those disappear but I can't. in their own way, they have influenced us and shaped who we are.
As this trial has progressed, I think we have all been affected in different ways and much of the pain, hurt and loss that we have felt in our own lives has come to the forefront. We champion those that we see seeking justice on behalf of the victims and vilify those that seemingly champion the perpetrator, JA and anyone associated with her.
As far as ALV goes, I don't believe she is a bad person. Far from it. She has in her own way tried to help many women who have suffered abuse at the hands of male abusers. She has raised awareness over many years, starting at a time when abuse was never defined as abuse and social norms protected men. When she spoke in generalities, I found her to be interesting and compelling. However, when she stated her conclusions that TA was abusive and that it was one sided as fact, IMO she stretched her ethical and professional boundaries. Any professional, regardless of which "side or view" they represent, should adhere to the core principles of their beliefs and not trade them for the almighty dollar, fame or glory. To do so is to betray those that have believed in them and "dance with the devil" and in some ways nullify a lot of the respect they have garnered.
It is my hope that all of us can somehow remain respectful of others that may post or speak a differing opinion from the majority. Everyone's POV is just as valuable and many POV come from a place of PAIN. HURT. LOSS. We seek justice for not only Travis, but for all victims everywhere. Even when that could be US.
Respectfully, IMO

I respect your opinion Zuri. I try to respect everyone's....but she sure did not act like a professional during cross IMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Molly, I know you are quoting AL and these aren't your words, but I gotta say....part of what she's putting out there is complete carp! I'm 53 years old and NOBODY told me to be passive or long-suffering. Not my single Mom, not the nuns who taught me in high school, not my professors at college NOBODY. And I can tell you nobody is telling my 15 year old daughter to be passive and long-suffering either. This is really dated, out-of-sych-with-today information she's putting out there, IMO.

You were very fortunate, as was I. That's not the case for everyone. It still exists and not just in foreign countries but right here.


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[Donnareit]

This is strictly my opinion so don't tar and feather me, but I think the statistics are skewed. I know of at least three men I can think of immediately that have been physically abused and never reported it. They seem to think they would be perceived as wimps if they can't take a few punches from a woman.
My brother died of antifreeze poisoning and although we suspected his wife did it, it was never proven how he was poisoned. His wife had a previous husband who had been shot in the back and that case was never solved.

If I know of that many situations never reported or attributed to women vs men it is logical to follow other people know some that aren't reflected in the statistics as well.

Very sorry to hear about your brother. I can't even image the pain of not knowing what happened. No doubt that's one of the things bothering TA's family at this time.

As for statistics, well . . . we all know how numbers can be generated. The best way to get an accurate picture would be to cold call a large sampling, convince them that there is no way you know who they actually are, make certain they are in a safe place, and fill out a survey. The sampling would have to be very large and checked to see that all socioeconomic, racial, gender (sexual preference) and age groups were represented according to their percentages of the general population. Even then, you would only get a snapshot in time to reference, but . . . ?

 

[RR0004]

Stalkers always think if they can just "connect" personally (person-to-person or by phone) with their victims, then everything will be back under their control and they can get rid of that icky anxiety that keeps eating away at them.

Yes, you are absolutely right. They don't give up easily. I remember mine calling me almost 40 times in one night!!
In that vein, I remember it being reported that JA did attempt a few calls on the way to Mesa. I believe she wouldn't have given up so easily if she hadn't already had Travis' murder in mind. Sociopaths don't take kindly to people ending conversations on their own terms.

 

[Tuba]

Not to belabour the question, but in the Flores interrogations, he and Falsity did talk about the trip to Cancun and Chichen Itza. Remember, Flores said he wanted to see it too because that was also the land of his people. So, she may have understood that wonder of C.I. was a planned side trip from the hotel 125 mi. away in Cancun. She would not be logging that famous site on their list; she had been replaced. Was it one ingredient in her fury? I think so. There were others.

 

[LambChop]

BBM

Are we SURE it was Travis who pulled out the floor cleaner? It makes sense to me that JA would do it and try to haul the thing upstairs to clean up, but abandon the idea because of time, how heavy it was, amount of blood, roommate coming home, etc.

I don't pull my vacuum out until I'm ready to use it. Just seems a little coincidental that a floor cleaner was in the middle of the house when so much cleaning up needed to be done upstairs. Just a thought... :twocents:

Why would she pile all the chairs in the living room onto the couch? It appears the cleaner was plugged into the wall but I can't remember for sure.

 

[marlap]

Does anyone else remember that travis's computer was logged in on june 4th as Deanna? ALV was talking about another girl TA's was supposingly "using" and was abusive to. She had to have read that in an email. I think Jodi had hacked into TA's email and wrote that letter herself. I am positive after reading JA's journal (that she wanted found) that it was another cunning act by JA to use as an alibi. She is so manipulative she even created a new journal!! She had hacked into his accounts, and he knew it. So, she rewrote her journals before she was arrested. She even put in there something about her and Travis have decided to get new/private passwords for our emails for our FB, MS, and emails. We gave each other our passwords EONS ago. PLEASE!! She was covering her arse just in case Travis had told anyone about his suspicions. I guess her real journal is wherever the gun and knife is, all tied up nice and neat with the imaginary rope. She was definitely blackmailing him. She is one sick, cunning, manipulative Beotch. :furious:

Great post! I have believed she wrote her journals for alibi purposes ever since I saw her passage about being mildly amused that three or four admirers asked her out for the same weekend. (Yeah, right!)

1. She thinks it shows cops she doesn't need Travis since all these other men want her.

2. It serves her extreme narcissism.

 

[gauntlet]

love the icon gauntlet...loved when he swiped the continuum as if to say..."I'll take that, tyvm!" lol

Oh yes. It's his court room after all.

 

[borndem]

What I find kind of sad is that the "outrage" against LaViolette seems to focus on how her shilling for a violent psychopath may effect abused women, which is a legitimate concern, but what they often overlook is the dead guy.

It's a weird perspective, which I have seen demonstrated on HLN. You can see some defense shill talking heads doing this rough calculation whether the Arias case is "good for women" in general -- and some base criticism entirely on "how this effects women" and some make the next step that if lowering the bar for claims of abuse and retributive killing is somehow "good for women" then the potential dead guys should just suck it up.

Just kidding, they don't have a thought for the dead guy(s) at all.

Maybe someone can explain my observation that women seem to be a far more cohesive group, in the sense of universalizing "good for one is good for all" (and not counting snide remarks about shoes) and show more camaraderie when it counts, wheres guys often think there's fun and prizes for throwing each other under the bus.

bbm
Hi, Mykeru! :seeya:From what I have studied and read ('way back in my college days while reading by gas lamp and candles...), the role of men is a very recognizable one having to do with survival of the species, etc. The biggest, most colorful peacock is sought by the peahens & he gets first pick; the elephant with the biggest tusks and that can run the fastest is the one most sought; the strongest most fearless lion gets the pride, etc., etc. The males are by themselves -- hunting, hunting. The females are in a group for protection when the male is gone and to protect and surround the babies.

That is an instinct that we humans still have to a much smaller and very sophisticated degree that is still in degrees of change. In the baby's room, in the kitchen and in the office we see it, again to a very finely tuned and much refined degree. Women in the kitchen or workplace don't stick together in a pride, but it's usually the men who watch the other men for leadership positions, etc. And they are still the ones who make the laws and the big judicial decisions... And yes, that's certainly slo-o-o-owly changing because we women have raised he!! and worked our azzes off to get there, and certainly the Constitution helps, but we are still evolving, thank goodness.

And we all know there are many dinosaurs of both sexes still around -- they're not yet extinct, but their numbers, IMO and I hope, are dwindling.

In which group are some of the principals in this case??

ETA: (Whew, I got a bit carried away with this one, but I meant it...)

 

[Diva]

My ex remarried a woman who already had a son. He and his girlfriend had a fight. She stabbed him near his heart, he got the knife from her and stabbed her 15 times(she passed away). He claimed self defense. He got I think 15 yrs. because the prosecuter pointed out once he got the knife away from her he was no longer in danger.



1.When she got away from Travis and was running down the hall IMO an innocent person would have run downstairs and out the door.

2.Why would Jodi think Travis hadn't moved the gun or hadn't unloaded it?I don't believe he had one.

3. Why didn't she just disable him, like shoot him in the knee?

I think the jury will ask themselves the same questions.

99% of our questions will never be answered, Irisha. I watched this video (trial day 3 Medical Examiner) for the first time today & believe that this testimony will be indelible in the Jury's mind, despite the deviations, seque's, & subterfuge presented by DT.

Jodi Arias murder trial day 3. Please be warned, very graphic photos. Medical examiner on stand. - YouTube

 

[ynotdivein]

A couple of points...
This may be OT, but as the father of a young girl, I have seen nearly every single animated Disney movie and I have noticed a common thread that runs through nearly every single one of them: the mother of the main character is either 1. Dead, or 2. A character who dies during the movie. From Bambi to Princess and the Frog, this holds true. I can't figure out why and I wonder if it is supposed to raise questions within the young viewer. My little girl, normally very inquisitive, has not noticed and/or asked about this. Again, probably OT, but ever since Thursday's cross, I can't help but wonder if/how this could tie in. <respectful snip for focus>

There is a line of inquiry in psychology (esp the Jungian branch) that examines the role and function of fairy tales in children's lives. Bruno Bettelheim's "The Uses of Enchantment" is an example; Marion Woodman's works also rely heavily on these themes.

The theory is that the fairy tale allows the child to live vicariously through the hero/heroine. Presumably the child listening to or viewing the tale is naive, nestled in a loving, protective, nurturing relationship with the parents. The fairy tale allows the child a safe way to preview the loss/privation/death that life inevitably brings (especially the death of a parent). The story is scary--I still can't watch the part of Bambi where his mother dies--but it's "safe-scary" for the child because it's "just a story."

The tales also all involve redemption for the hero/ine, which according to these theorists, parallels & metaphorically represents the development of a healthy autonomous identity that ideally happens as we mature, create lives apart from our parents, and become our adult selves. So theoretically, children absorbing these stories are absorbing lessons about what to expect from life, what they themselves can achieve, and more.

Which is all well and good, except that in so many fairy tales (Snow White, Cinderella, etc), the "redemption" or success of the heroine comes about via a rescuing hero, rather than through the female protagonist developing the ability to stand on her own and defend herself autonomously. This has been the source of some pushback from feminist theorists, who might point out that even when Rapunzel let down her long hair, it was so that some handsome dude could climb up it.

I don't doubt that a lecturer of ALV's generation would be well familiar with these theoretical paradigms. I've yet to wrap my head around her Snow White/Wicked Witch analogy however... and at any rate, IMO this level of metaphorical analysis has absolutely NO bearing on the cold hard facts of this case. If anything, TA is Snow White and JA the witch, disguised as a harmless poor woman, holding out that tempting, tempting apple.

 

[Sydni]

There might not be anything quite like a true Perry Mason moment. The killer is not going to break down on the stand and admit her evil ways.

But he does have a few things up his sleeve, imo. First of all, I think he is going to break down this DV expert. I think he will be able to use her own little 'Abuse Continuum' to plug in Jodi's abusive actions. And he will be able to pinpoint LIES in her own journal written by her own hand, so that will impeach the source of ALV's conclusions.

In the first half hour he already got ALV to label Jodi as the victim, and not Travis, the man she slaughtered.

He will also PROVE that she lied to the jury when she swore that she returned that 3rd gas can. That will be powerful if he gets the records from Walmart proving she lied that day on the stand. Because the DT strategy has been that she USED TO lie, but not anymore and not under oath.

I think he has lots of things to support his contention that she stole that gun from her grandpa. She made so many mistakes on the stand tryimng to support her LIE about it being in his closet. " It was in a holster, no it wasn't, I only saw it once when cleaning, and it was not loaded, Oh wait, He said it was loaded and I saw him take it out with him one day...no wait, I saw it three times...what ammo? "

And I believe her 48 Hours and Inside Edition interviews are going to have a huge impact as well. She is soooooo creepy and cray-cray when she describes her smiling booking photo, and her claim that no jury will ever convict her. :shudder: Let alone the Iris's she sent to Travis's grieving grandmother.

Personally, I don't believe that Juan needs any more ammunition. I think he just needs a smoking Closing Argument, to string it all together cohesively. His biggest burden will be to avoid the 'reasonable doubt' trap. He has to get every single juror onboard.

Absolutely GREAT synopsis!!! I wish I could be so articulate. Thanks :bowdown:

 

[DebinGA]

I completely agree. I was just making a hairsplitting point regarding the source of her information, but as I said, I am no fan of what she did with it -- or that she did it at all, as you so eloquently point out here.

I don't remember ALV showing concern or adding caveats about not having all the relevant info she needed to call Travis the perpetrator and Jodi the victim.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I'm confused! Help!

It's about the durned cell phones. I know JA says she lost one, but Gus helped her out with a new one. The old one didn't have recording capability, but with her new toy they were able to make the sex tape.

So here's where I get confused. The sex tape was on May 10th, right.

Her journal entry of May 22 has good news, and that is she got her new cell phone.

Am I missing something?

Which "lost" cell phone was found by the aunt eons later?

:dunno:

Saw that, and have been trying to put it into context.