weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[Hopeful One]

Does anyone know if this is the DT's last witness?

 

[SCSam]

What happened to mom? She has had 5 years to process that her daughter is a going to most likely be put to death. You know the stages of grief.

DENIAL-ANGER-BARGAINING-DEPRESSION-ACCEPTANCE.

Even the mother of a murder will go through this. I don't like Jodi, In fact I despise her. Travis' family also had to go through these stages with his death and now rehashing. Just cause her mother is related to a lunatic, doesn't mean she isn't going to put up some sort of a act in the courtroom. TBH, we don't KNOW what she is thinking.

I think I found no sympathy for her until I saw those tapes. I believe she was a mother lost on what had gone wrong with the being that SHE created.

Even, say, Nancy grace said she would do whatever she could to defend her kids, EVEN IF they had done such a heinous act.

I'm always such a bad cynic. I actually wondered if the mother was tossing out mitigating things.. if her daughter was THAT disturbed so long and she had even had friends call to tell her JA needed help... why didn't she drag her someplace for the "help"??

 

[atthelake]

I think what I heard was that someone (her dad?) took her to Hertz to rent a car when she said she was going to Monterrey for a few days. I would imagine that it was THAT rental car the the 9mm and the knives were found in. So a second car was rented after the killing when she was back to CA. Her dad said it in his interview.

Was she visiting Darryl in Monterrey after the killing?

That was my point! Her mother said that she did not know that the daughter was leaving the next day .. why did she say that if she or her husband has helped her rent the car the night before!

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[SunnyinMO]

I haven't decided on J5 yet but if we can find video of her laughing when ALV asked if JM was mad at her - that would answer my question. I just know that she doesn't belong in that court room although there is probably nothing the Judge can do about it in the State of Arizona.

Usually when I disagree with a post I just keep on moving, however, in this case I felt I disagreed not only in my mind, but in my heart re: the bolded part of your post. I wonder HOW you KNOW she doesn't belong in that court room? TIA

 

[gauntlet]

Why do people keep calling Steely "Dan"? I remember when I first saw his post years and years and years ago I sent him a private message to share My favorite band when I was in college was steely Dan.



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Perhaps like me they've never heard of the band.

 

[kaRN]

Why ask me? Did you watch Steely Dan's ALV clips and find her offensive in them, because I'd be interested to learn what I missed?

I asked because you said you found her engaging and I did find her manner offensive and insulting. I don't relate to any character in Snow White, pretending I'm 4 or not so it's likely I would have walked out of that seminar and asked for a refund while I still could.

The end of Intimate Partner Abuse is something both genders need to work on together. There wasn't a single male laugh in the 20 or so minutes of tape I watched and listened to. DV isn't a womans issue, it's an issue affecting both genders. We aren't in 1970 anymore and this seminar was 3 years ago. :twocents:

 

[gcharlie]

Wondering if someone can answer this for me.

In the few pages of Jodi's journals that I saw covering the end of May to the middle of June...was there ANY mention of Ryan Burns? Or was it "not noteworthy" that she was going to visit him?

Also, I can't remember who said it, Jodi perhaps, that "it" had started the weekend before, Friday....and that's the weekend Travis was supposed to go there for them to go to Crater Lake and he cancelled. Wonder if that was the event that pulled the trigger for her.

From ALV's testimony on Thursday afternoon, the journal mentions plans to see Ryan on 5/27. This is the day after she receives the "sociopath" text from Travis.

ALV also relates that the journal on 5/30 mentions trip to UT, visiting with Darryl, Matt and Ryan. She (ALV) says that TA is not thrilled and TA is guilting her into coming to see him. ALV testifies that JA and TA had talked on the phone on 6/1 and this is when TA supposedly guilted her, however phone records show no calls on 6/1.

FWIW, I really want to see the 6/1 journal entry. It is a long one.

 

[shane13]

Usually when I disagree with a post I just keep on moving, however, in this case I felt I disagreed not only in my mind, but in my heart re: the bolded part of your post. I wonder HOW you KNOW she doesn't belong in that court room? TIA

I think the majority of us here are with you Sunny, and agree that J5 has earned the right to be there!!!

 

[gauntlet]

That was my point! Her mother said that she did not know that the daughter was leaving the next day .. why did she say that if she or her husband has helped her rent the car the night before!

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Do we have any proof that her Mom definitely helped her rent that car? I transcribed the parent interviews and the only time her mom comes across as sounding less certain and using more um ums and stalling is when she is talking about not knowing about JA's plans for the next day. Unfortunately I don't believe she told Det Fl everything she knew about that.

 

[kaRN]

Perhaps like me they've never heard of the band.

[video=youtube;UfZWp-hGCdA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfZWp-hGCdA&list=ALBTKoXRg38BB8BWmeZUNPGNDgeuBQMIQu[/video]

 

[sueC]

BBM A thank you was insufficient, Wasn't Me. Great post.

I too have always believed that the reason we hear Travis saying the things he does is that he has been given a framework within which to operate. That is, Jodi made it clear to him what sort of things to say to "turn her on," and he is parroting them. You can tell by the robotic quality of his voice as he constructs "his" fantasies with her. I never believed that nonsense about her simply "going along with him." You're quite right that it had to be the other way around.

Now, I'm not saying the guy was an angel. You never know what people will or won't say when engaging in sexy talk. But there's no way you're going to convince me that this particular guy would have opened up a can of filthy sex talk with some woman unless he knew she wanted to hear what he was saying. The sex tape always stunk to high heaven to me. He did not know she was recording him. She set him up deliberately, and that included all sorts of coaching -- "Ooh, I like it when you talk about tying me up and forcing me," that kind of thing. I'm convinced.
:cow:

ITA the phone sex was JA's idea. Notice JA didn't record the beginning of the call, when she could have been telling Travis what to say. The first thing on the sex tape:

JA: Okay, what did you say? I'm sorry.
TA: Want me to talk for a little bit, about happy things, and get normalized for a moment? And then we'll see where it takes us.
JA: (laughs) We'll see where it takes us...

 

[HarvestMoon]

From ALV's testimony on Thursday afternoon, the journal mentions plans to see Ryan on 5/27. This is the day after she receives the "sociopath" text from Travis.

ALV also relates that the journal on 5/30 mentions trip to UT, visiting with Darryl, Matt and Ryan. She (ALV) says that TA is not thrilled and TA is guilting her into coming to see him. ALV testifies that JA and TA had talked on the phone on 6/1 and this is when TA supposedly guilted her, however phone records show no calls on 6/1.

FWIW, I really want to see the 6/1 journal entry. It is a long one.

Who knows maybe Mom or someone will sell those journals once this is over. The trial fall-out will probably be interesting, to say the least.

 

[thefragile7393]

ALV was so condescending - not just what she was saying but how she was saying it. Her body language speaks volumes.

ETA - ALV was getting bored with ALV though - each time JW asked her to confirm what was written on the screen I really think she wondered why JW was doing that

I wonder how many jurors ALV lost when she said to the jurors, sorry to the men IF this is not you but most men use love to get sex and women use sex to get love. Stereotyping much!

It is a stereotype but in my own experiences...work, life, friends..it is often true. It isn't always true....but I've seen it all too often.

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[gauntlet]

Does anyone know if this is the DT's last witness?

I believe it is.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wouldn't This Be Cool

If Jodie is convicted of first degree premeditated murder and gets the death penalty.
Now after she is convicted Juror # 5 did a press release and said she was totaly on Jodi's side and would have held out for a hung jury.
That would make Jodi's head explode knowing her only hope was the juror #5 her and her defense team had kicked off.
If I was juor #5 I would say that even if it wasn't true just to leave her with the thought that the only person that could save her was kicked off the jury by the defense team and Jodi.
It would be a thought Jodi would have to live with everyday for the rest of her life ( as long as that might be).

Very cool!


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[pufnstuf]

And what I found very noteworthy and am expecting is it he is going to find different versions of this chart! Remember how he said she could change at any time! he has other versions of it I think!

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And those different versions just might have come to him through women who have attended her presentations in the past, who are disgusted by her testimony in this case.

 

[Miss Behavin]

Please, wise sleuthers, give me your insight into this question - (playing devil's advocate here)

Assuming that JA was a victim of DV and she was attacked by TA that day and she viciously murdered him while in a fog that made her unaware of the extreme cruelty of her actions - why, then, the extensive attempts at cover up?

Things like deleting photos, washing sheets, mopping up blood, washing off body, putting a knife in the dishwasher, removing evidence, placing camera in the washing machine, locking a door, penning up the dog, calling and leaving messages later, going to meet RB and pretending nothing is wrong, contacting the family, etc etc etc. These are the actions of a mind clearly bent on covering up the truth.

How is all of that related to accusations of dv? Are we supposed to believe those are actions taken under the onus of PTSD? If JA was in a fog that day, or suffered extreme trauma how on earth was she able to go about her business so methodically, (admittedly making critical errors.) I'm trying to put myself in that situation and I really don't think I'd be capable of stripping a bed, running a load of laundry or a dishwasher, and certainly wouldn't be thinking about my dna.

Perhaps she was sleepwalking?

In all seriousness, I've scrambled my brain attempting to look at this case from all angles - giving Jodi's self-defense theory the benefit of the doubt. I've even gone so far as to entertain the idea that perhaps the gun went off accidentally while she was playing the "I'm gonna kill myself" card, and TA lunged at her to get the gun away - being shot in the process. If that were the case, she could've called for help, but she didn't. Even in that scenario, she was more concerned with self-preservation than saving his life.

For me, it all comes back to the steps she took before she left Yreka, and I believe she went there with the intent to kill. I just don't understand her motivation for staying so long and engaging in sexual activity, pictures, etc.

I don't doubt that she was pumped full of adrenaline that day, and if things didn't go as planned, she may have had a bit of confusion, but I don't believe she was ever in a fog after the fact. Her fognesia is simply a lame attempt at avoiding responsibility, imo.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

This is my first post. . Thanks for letting me join the group!

So do you think next week we will hear Juan say "To the moon Alyce!!!"

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: "to the moon Alyce" ! LOL !


:seeya: Hello and :welcome:

 

[DebinGA]

I think ALV has it all wrong.. JA's mother is snow white and JA is the wicked witch as a response to it. JA is NO snow white. She see's her mother as weak and un-evolved, this is what she hates about her. JA has taken on a more powerful female role than her mother. JA doesn't eat poison apples, she serves them up!

In the original Disney storyline the evil witch [Jodi] holds the prince [Travis] captive in her castle until he agrees to marry her. When he refuses to budge, she puts him in a confined space filling up with water. The dwarfs were the stars in that early version, not Snow White, and saved the day.

 

[molly333]

I asked because you said you found her engaging and I did find her manner offensive and insulting. I don't relate to any character in Snow White, pretending I'm 4 or not so it's likely I would have walked out of that seminar and asked for a refund while I still could.

The end of Intimate Partner Abuse is something both genders need to work on together. There wasn't a single male laugh in the 20 or so minutes of tape I watched and listened to. DV isn't a womans issue, it's an issue affecting both genders. We aren't in 1970 anymore and this seminar was 3 years ago. :twocents:

She gives that talk to professionals in the field, not to lay people. And, she has a message to them--do not get frustrated when what you are doing with your client takes ten times longer than you expected because she is conditioned by society to perform within the parameters of a certain gender role from childhood and now you are asking her to change quickly. It can't be done quickly.

And, the same is true for men. She works directly with men, helping them to get in touch with feelings that are too difficult for them to handle easily, in an effort to increase their empathy for their partner, and to help them not turn every feeling of fear and powerlessness into anger. Because men are also taught by society--do not be weak, and these emotions are signs of weakness.

It's a way of putting the group in the shoes of the batterer and the battered, and showing the group what it looks like through their eyes.

DV is still dangerous to women 85 percent of the time.

IMO