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ohreally said:
I think that the letter written to the judge about juror #5 was Plan A from a Jodi supporter to get juror #5 kicked off the jury. Whoever wrote the letter (and I wonder if they had the support of the defense team, or Jodi herself to do it) tried to make it seem like the letter was being written from an anti Jodi person. I don't believe it was. Plan A didn't work so it was on to Plan B, which did work for the defense. I don't know what juror #5 said to get kicked off, but Plan A sure makes me believe she was targetted and was removed over something trivial so that later the defense could not use it as an appeal.
I also believe that while it did make Jodi happy to have the juror kicked off it is not what made her so giddy that day. I believe that during the in chambers meeting alot of hurt was shown by the juror and Travis' sisters. I think she took alot of pleasure in thier pain. Inflicting pain on others is a joy to Jodi. She is pure evil. IMO
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The defense might have a jury consultant watching the jury, although those people are expensive.
 
Miss Behavin said:
Perhaps she was sleepwalking?

In all seriousness, I've scrambled my brain attempting to look at this case from all angles - giving Jodi's self-defense theory the benefit of the doubt. I've even gone so far as to entertain the idea that perhaps the gun went off accidentally while she was playing the "I'm gonna kill myself" card, and TA lunged at her to get the gun away - being shot in the process. If that were the case, she could've called for help, but she didn't. Even in that scenario, she was more concerned with self-preservation than saving his life.

For me, it all comes back to the steps she took before she left Yreka, and I believe she went there with the intent to kill. I just don't understand her motivation for staying so long and engaging in sexual activity, pictures, etc.

I don't doubt that she was pumped full of adrenaline that day, and if things didn't go as planned, she may have had a bit of confusion, but I don't believe she was ever in a fog after the fact. Her fognesia is simply a lame attempt at avoiding responsibility, imo.
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Travis' heart was pumping when she slit his throat and stabbed him in the chest along with the other stab wounds. How many crime books, TV programs have you read/seen where they state that stabbing, slitting is up close and personal, over-kill is personal rage?

Perhaps Jodi was trying one last time, because I don't buy her flowery diary for a bit--to control Travis, ...order him to marry her...more or less blackmail him into doing so...take her to Cancun or else. The else being if he said no, she would show him by killing him, up close and personal and then, killing his reputation and hurting his family. Jodi has a habit of blackmailing people if she doesn't get her way, look what she filed in court to Juan to let her off with a lesser sentence...she basically tried to blackmail Juan by saying she would hurt Travis' friends, family and his good name.
Jodi sure seems to have a fog on every point of memory that could get her the death penalty.
 
pip said:
I wonder what she planned to do with the gun and knives in the rental car when she was going to take off the day she was arrested? She rented the car that morning. She hinted to her parents she was going to Monterey for 3 days. Was she planning to kill MM, DB or herself? Was she envisioning a suicide by cop scenario? Or a shoot out and get away from the cops scene?

It is disturbing that she would plan to flee and take knives and a gun with her, especially if she was planning to head to Monterey. What were her plans!!?
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Interesting that she was going to travel with knives & a gun , yet when she killed TA she claims they were all his weapons. BS smell is way strong.
 
DebinGA said:
Thanks for that response. On the stand ALV has been condescending, short-sighted, unfair, uninformed, and with JM snarky and stupid. In the short video clips Steely Dan posted this a.m., she seemed in contrast much more likable to me. Disney's Snow White came out in 1937, and Snow White was passive. By 1950 Disney's Cinderella's was at least grumbling to her bird/mice friends of the unfairness of her situation. The Little Mermaid in 1989 was asserting herself like crazy, defying her kind father, but she sacrificed everything for her love of a man she'd never met. Beauty in 1991 was very independent and assertive to dad and Beast. Ditto Jasmin to dad and Aladdin in 1992, but even they were topped by 2010's Tangled's Repunzel. ALV's abuse schtick is mired far in the past when she was young and things were very different.
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Really. Well, it doesn't seem to be working, does it? Things are getting worse, not better.



RESEARCH: Domestic Violence Rises Nationwide for Third Year While Economy Struggles; Government Budget Cuts Take Toll on Survivors and Shelters

Date: April 26, 2011
Source: Business Wire
Theme: Violence Against Women,
Country: USA


http://www.peacewomen.org/portal_initiative_initiative.php?id=1154
 
Miss Behavin said:
Perhaps she was sleepwalking?

In all seriousness, I've scrambled my brain attempting to look at this case from all angles - giving Jodi's self-defense theory the benefit of the doubt. I've even gone so far as to entertain the idea that perhaps the gun went off accidentally while she was playing the "I'm gonna kill myself" card, and TA lunged at her to get the gun away - being shot in the process. If that were the case, she could've called for help, but she didn't. Even in that scenario, she was more concerned with self-preservation than saving his life.

For me, it all comes back to the steps she took before she left Yreka, and I believe she went there with the intent to kill. I just don't understand her motivation for staying so long and engaging in sexual activity, pictures, etc.
I don't doubt that she was pumped full of adrenaline that day, and if things didn't go as planned, she may have had a bit of confusion, but I don't believe she was ever in a fog after the fact. Her fognesia is simply a lame attempt at avoiding responsibility, imo.
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JA gets a high from feeling that kind of power/control over men. She wanted that one last time. Also, I think she wanted him to die in 'sin'.

One of my favourite parts of this trial was when JM asked Arias to read the part where it says one will go to hell for lying. She had to read that out aloud.
 
ilovewings said:
that "Mr. Martinez" crap is very inappropriate- and it is meant to be; it is meant to put him in his place; she is smug and condescending. IMO he needs to develop a better plan to deal with her. While I don't think the jury appreciates an uppity witness, I do think she is getting over on him a bit and making him grumpier--
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ITA. He's actually being neutrally polite with witnesses, referring to her and JA as "ma'am." Her use of "Mr." is meant to "take him down a notch" by leveling his status relative to hers. Students will occasionally try the same thing with me by calling me "Mr." rather than Doctor or Professor. Naturally, that gets straightened out tout suite.

If she wasn't trying to be condescending, she'd show him the same basic courtesy he is extending to her by referring to him as "sir" if nothing else. Personally, I think she's got a chip on her shoulder because she does have an established reputation in the field but has always harbored some insecurities about not being a Ph.D.

Of course, it could be just as simple as not liking the term "ma'am," which was considered anathema to feminists in the 70's. Most gender studies professionals today consider that kind of thing as offensive only in a specific context and recognize that if it is offered as a courteous form of address it implies no perceived hierarchical distinction of the sort that it might have had in the 70's. Anyway, I don't know, but I do know that she is being snide and it is not flattering.

:cow:
 
molly333 said:
The defense might have a jury consultant watching the jury, although those people are expensive.
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The mitigating specialist has been reported as watching the jury very closely. She is probably the closest they have to a jury consultant. I don't think the defense themselves wrote the letter, but would not be surprised if they or Jodi did put a hint to one of her supporters to do it.
 
BrownRice said:
He seems disgusted by it actually. He won't even look at Miss Arias. I think he sits there daydreaming about how he is going to spend his $ once this is over. The only conflict he has is wanting it to end (due to his extreme dislike for his client), yet every day he is there adds to his slush fund.
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Love, love, love your
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And your comment says it for me, too!
 
When the interview of Sandy Arias w/ Det. Flores first was shown, some people were really feeling sorry for her. I couldn't muster up any pity for her at all. I have always felt she knows a lot more that we/I gave her credit for. Now, I find I am glad I didn't have any pity/sympathy for her.
 
molly333 said:
Really. Well, it doesn't seem to be working, does it? Things are getting worse, not better.



RESEARCH: Domestic Violence Rises Nationwide for Third Year While Economy Struggles; Government Budget Cuts Take Toll on Survivors and Shelters

Date: April 26, 2011
Source: Business Wire
Theme: Violence Against Women,
Country: USA


http://www.peacewomen.org/portal_initiative_initiative.php?id=1154
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That's all fine and dandy, and obviously quite true, sad, and disturbing, but the issue here is that Jodi was not a victim of domestic violence. She was a rejected stalker that murdered Travis for not committing to her.
Her fault, not his. Rejection is not grounds for murder, and being a schmuck does not equal being an abuser nor a batterer. He made it quite clear he was looking for marriage material, loud and clear on his blog (no secrets), and she knew she was just a 'friend with benefits'. She opted to stick around on those terms. Her bad. She agreed to it, but secretly was seething inside and still trying to capture a commitment. So who do you blame when it's obvious he was being open and honest that he was not interested in anything beyond that with her? Again, her bad. Shall we blame the victim for her obsession with him?
 
pip said:
I wonder what she planned to do with the gun and knives in the rental car when she was going to take off the day she was arrested? She rented the car that morning. She hinted to her parents she was going to Monterey for 3 days. Was she planning to kill MM, DB or herself? Was she envisioning a suicide by cop scenario? Or a shoot out and get away from the cops scene?

It is disturbing that she would plan to flee and take knives and a gun with her, especially if she was planning to head to Monterey. What were her plans!!?
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Gotta remember plan A......She wasnt there.
Plan B.........Ninjas did it and they knew where she lived. What address did she have on her licenses? "Whos address" was on her licenses? I think that's who was going to get it next. That would prove the Ninja story was real, since they came looking for Jodi, she was out of town, so they killed parents? grandparents? roommates? The Ninja's always come with knives, but tend to use the victim's own guns to finish the job. Not saying this is logical, but in her head......it would all make sense!
 
pip said:
That's all fine and dandy, and obviously quite true, sad, and disturbing, but the issue here is that Jodi was not a victim of domestic violence. She was a rejected stalker that murdered Travis for not committing to her.
Her fault, not his. Rejection is not grounds for murder, and being a schmuck does not equal being an abuser nor a batterer. He made it quite clear he was looking for marriage material, loud and clear on his blog (no secrets), and she knew she was just a 'friend with benefits'. She opted to stick around on those terms. Her bad. She agreed to it, but secretly was seething inside and still trying to capture a commitment. So who do you blame when it's obvious he was being open and honest that he was not interested in anything beyond that with her? Again, her bad. Shall we blame the victim for her obsession with him?
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Maybe so, but the prosecution has to prove that. Don't put it on ALV. I'm sure if that's the case, they can prove it. But, the Jury has to see what they have relating to that, not just us.

Abuse defenses rarely work, IMO, even when they are undoubtedly real, because people, in general, do not understand abuse, yet. This may be just a mitigating ploy by the defense, an effort to garner sympathy for JA.

And, an effort to explain why she might have had so much fear for her life to result in overkill.

I'm not saying it's working. And, I'm not saying that Travis wasn't the one abused, either. But, whichever way it goes, it has to be proven to the Jury. And, trying to denigrate ALV's work over a 40 year period is not the way to do it.

IMO
 
pinkie60 said:
i heard wilmott say whenever jodie brought up her interests, TA would belittle her. I say name on instance. Seriously, when did that happen?
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This is a quote from her just released diary dated 6/13/08

"Thank you for believing in my skills as a photographer and an artist".

She is writing as if speaking to Travis after his death.

Wilmott didn't get the memo I guess.
 
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