weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #139

[rose222]

What's amazing to me is that ALV, considering how loaded her resume is, would not understand that her behavior on cross would HURT the defense, not help it. It's completely bizarre.

If you have a group of laypeople you are trying to sway to your side, why would you deliberately be combative, passive aggressive and non responsive? She could have done a LOT of damage if she had delivered reasonable yes or no responses.

And what is equally bizarre is that Willmott continued to point out JA's words as evidence even after the jurors' questions! Is the Defense purposely trying to present the weakest case possible in the most incompetent way possible?
:what:

 

[simplesimon]

OMG. This is the post of the century on this topic! I'm quoting because I am so far behind on my weekend reading but this deserves to be bumped up and bumped up again. Kudos to you and I hope to read many more of your posts!

Omg that is the most insightful post I have read! Kudos!

 

[kaRN]

Just seems to me ALV's arrogance allow her to believe she can just do what she wants.

- Speaks over Judge when there is an objection
- Admits to lying on the stand
- Approaches a member of the victim's family
- Asks to use the bathroom in the middle of testimony
- Gets on the stand but forgets to bring her glasses
- Her Cell phone rings in the gallery while she's on the stand

Did i miss anything?

I really think she has been a huge pain in the backside for everyone involved in the trial, including the DT.

Don't forget the phone I respectfully added above in red.

 

[Wake_me]

If you have a group of laypeople you are trying to sway to your side, why would you deliberately be combative, passive aggressive and non responsive? She could have done a LOT of damage if she had delivered reasonable yes or no responses.

I understand some questions needing some elaboration, but questions that were clearly yes or no she would dance around to the point where the judge had to tell her, a couple times I believe, that she would have time to follow up with JW.

 

[Wake_me]

Don't forget the phone I respectfully added above in red.

I believe KCL also said when she asked for an early break about 10 minutes before the scheduled one the time she approached Sam.

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

BBM: I'm sorry to disagree with you on this about JA and TA in most of the pics of them together. I see quite a few pics with him looking clownish, silly or goofy and I know if my bf was doing that in pics I'd feel a little embarassed that he's making a mockery of us. In most pics JA is smiling which is appropriate for that type of photo. Please really look at what TA is doing in quite a few of those pics from a nonpartial viewpoint.........(I'm not trying to be confrontational--just calling it the way it is).

IMHO, this was the relationship of a "perfect storm".......

RIP TA

Don't apologize for disagreeing. It's what makes discussions interesting and stimulating.

I do know about the goofball photos and the monkeying around shots. I was referring to those photos of the two of them in which she's doing all the smiling and laughing. It seems to me those photos were taken by one of the two of them (arm outstretched) and he just didn't seem very happy in them.

The goofball photos seemed to be in groups with other people, as though he were really enjoying himself in spite of her clinging to him like a barnacle.

But of course as you pointed out, I do have blinders on when it comes to Jodi and a part ... ok almost all ... of my mind is closed to the possibility of any nonsexual happiness on Travis' part. That is definitely one dimensional.

I acknowledge your point. :toast:

 

[kayice]

It took 9 years to get this woman, she used gas cans to cover her trail from CO to Topeka, KS just like Jodi and she stalked her ex-husband/GF just like Jodi, drove across state many times. One time they looked out and she was jumping on the trampoline in the backyard. Not a whole lot the cops could do cause you know, she just do so much without going over the line. Till one night they won a bunch of money in the casino, came home to her hiding in the closet already while swilling wine, and she shot them--over, over and over-kill. Her own kids tried for years to get her arrested. Thank goodness for '48 Hours' because the DA in Topeka, KS is no Juan Martinez. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20083461-504083.html

 

[Elley Mae]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1210/04/ijvm.01.html

And those stories that you bring up about the slashing of the tires and the e-mails, and those things were really -- they really started to take a toll on him. And really have created problems for his other relationships. And as far as the faith goes, Travis really...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can I jump in, Taylor, and ask you one question as a follow-up?

SEARLE: ... chose to create an environment where he could follow the teachings of the church. And what ended up happening is she adopted that and kind of tried to use it against him to drive wedges between him and the other girls.

bbm

 

[Marina2]

Guess this is how one looks after a week of death threats and complete strangers threatening to destroy you.

Psychological abuse in action.

Remember the teenager who killed herself because of bullying on the social media?

But, let's all laugh. This is so much fun. [sarcasm]

IMO

bbm
re:the bolded portion
Didn't she get on the stand and attempt to completely destroy Travis Alexander, a complete stranger to her and a man who cannot even speak for himself? You reap what you sow.

TA will never suffer psychological abuse from her but his family will. The threat of death- he'll never have to worry about that either.

There's nothing funny about anything she did or the repercussions that resulted.

 

[momof7]

Well, I am off to start my day! As usual have enjoyed my time with you!

I just wanted to say something about the whole ALV being persecuted thing. Honestly, I liken it to people who are very religous. Always spouting religious things to you and morality. Yet are incredulous when you have something to say about something they have done or said that fit the bill of immorality. If you put yourself out there to be a specific person/or an expert/ you place yourself in a position to be judged according to who you say you are.

In this case ALV should have stayed on assisting the mitigator. Its clear that it was more about making sure JA didn't get the DP as opposed to having proof she suffered DV. Two people in a dysfunctional relationship there is always going to be fodder you can take out of context to say see what he/she did to me, they abused me. Especially if you don't have all the facts or can speak to the other person. She was limited in what she saw, whether that was by the DT or herself, not sure on that one. If it was the DT trying to get a certain testimony and limited it, then they ambushed her all on their own, because lets face it..they know way more than any of us do. They already know what is a lie and what isn't. If she herself did not do proper research or interviews to create a solid foundation, then she has put herself out there to be judged on her expert status.

I don't agree with the threats and emails of violence she is claiming to be receiving. But, she threw herself out there. What was she really expecting the outcome to be. DV is controversial, she herself said it is wrought with secrecy and silence. She throws the continuim out there and when being examined by the DT it is the list to go by. When the PT gets up for cross, its every evolving. Some things you just can't take away. She opened doors and rambled on. It just didn't work.

IMHO.

K

 

[Hopeful One]

Good morning! Sneaking in some WS time in between my son's basketball games. Have I missed anything since yesterday?

 

[ElleElle]

The supposed strongest ling, is now the weakest link for the DT.

Does anyone what is going with the Proescurial misconduct and mistrial motions?

Maybe that is Monday. lol. I laughed when Judge Stephens said something along the lines of: "I don't care about your personal issues".

ALV also initiated something about $ and losing money, and JW cut her off.

 

[Hopeful One]

bbm
re:the bolded portion
Didn't she get on the stand and attempt to completely destroy Travis Alexander, a complete stranger to her and a man who cannot even speak for himself? You reap what you sow.

TA will never suffer psychological abuse from her but his family will. The threat of death- he'll never have to worry about that either.

There's nothing funny about anything she did or the repercussions that resulted.

:clap: :clap:

 

[G&AMom]

Why would a bomber care who was standing around?

To a terrorist, the more the merrier.

I would not expect a terrorist to be caring, compassionate or even necessarily thoughtful.

The descriptors selfish, hateful, and murderous come to mind, however.

Come to think of it, that sounds exactly like the defendant in this case.

Hmmm... :waitasec:

Oh, yeah, I know. I'm just ranting. And you're right, it does sound like someone else we know.

 

[ElleElle]

Honestly, a physics expert would be better.

The DT wants to keep it out because they know the gun did not come from there.

Hi ElleElle On the maricoba county superior court clerk case history log of ja case it looks to me that dt is trying to keep the weight limit of the shelves out of testimony.

 

[G&AMom]

Yes...I agree. lol can be an embarrassed laugh as well depending on the statement or context of the conversation.

The written word doesn't show the 'context' of the conversation because it can only show what the reader takes from it. If you don't know the whole conversation or people behind it, you have no clue what it really means other than what the words are saying. IMHO

I don't know if that makes a bit of sense, but I agree with you

K

No, it does make sense. In fact, I would go further and say even if you DO know the conversation and the people behind it, you could still be wrong.

 

[angelcee]

What's amazing to me is that ALV, considering how loaded her resume is, would not understand that her behavior on cross would HURT the defense, not help it. It's completely bizarre.

If you have a group of laypeople you are trying to sway to your side, why would you deliberately be combative, passive aggressive and non responsive? She could have done a LOT of damage if she had delivered reasonable yes or no responses.

I'm a newbie here but my experience with resumes is that you do NOT list every single thing you've ever done in every area...instead you list the more current with a link for more info in each area. I think the MASS of all these resume listings is to cover the fact that ALC is short in the areas of Education and testifying in Crimminal case...JMHO

 

[ElleElle]

I listened to the sex tape again and the first few seconds i'm sure I heard Travis say: "How do we do this?"

It sounded consensual.

Then 2 weeks later, the long "rant" text.

 

[chijojo]

I don't know if anyone here reads this blog http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/still-chasing-the-rabbit/

but this woman is hilarious.....says alot with logical humor.



mods - if I'm not allowed to post a blog addy, please delete.

 

[kayice]

When my ex-husband was 18, I know he was very strong because he's always worked out and he was working on as an oil rigger. Anyway, he was out with a female friend and I guess some biker types were threatening to do harm to this girl. So he defended her, he got knifed (probably small switch blade) to the chest area, around where Travis did. If that girl didn't drag him int a bathroom and locked the door, people called for help--he would have died. Actually, in medical terms... He did die a couple of times on table and in the ambulance as his heart stopped, the hospital even told his parents, their son was dying and they needed to get to the hospital. (shocked they said it like that) His knife scar is little but the surgeon's "L" covers from under his neck to his side, well ..they were working fast. My ex's nickname used to be "Tree" because his chest and arms were that big. So, one little knife puncture can do deadly harm in the right area.
If Jodi stabbed Travis in that chest area, the man was fighting for his life ...basically to breathe and move, probably going into shock from blood loss, internal bleeding. His hands do show defensive wounds. It wasn't about "hurting" Jodi, imho. He was probably trying to get away from her and protect his body.