weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #139

[momof7]

i thought this whole thing with bruises on her neck was earlier. like when she was driving back to yreka from mesa. not on the murder trip? wrong? right?

Me too. Thought it was when she was in the Uhaul driving to Yreka.

K

 

[Angelina Frost]

I cannot wait for Demarte's testimony. I hope she is respectful to the Defense and answers all questions in an honest and straightforward manner. I want the jury to see the difference between the State and Defense's expert witnesses.

What's amazing to me is that ALV, considering how loaded her resume is, would not understand that her behavior on cross would HURT the defense, not help it. It's completely bizarre.

If you have a group of laypeople you are trying to sway to your side, why would you deliberately be combative, passive aggressive and non responsive? She could have done a LOT of damage if she had delivered reasonable yes or no responses.

 

[raisincharlie]

And IIRC JA and MM were not 'officially' dating or anything, just hanging out from time to time. JA thought they were a couple MM didn't.

Its hard to keep up with all of it. But, I agree with you. Just the act of driving 90 miles out of your way to confront the OW is a hostile act IMHO.

I can only think what I would do were I in either of those positions, and can only say no way am I confronting some girl ever. And if I was the OW there is not a chance I would even reply or say a word to someone knocking on my door if I didn't even know she existed. I would be letting MM handle her and not seeing him ever again either.

So, its really hard to know what someone would do and then say because she didn't argue or fight it wasn't hostile.

Kelly

I like this ^.

Here is the problem I have with ALV saying Jodi is just the sweetest thing: there is a pattern of Jodi confronting not only what she perceives as other women but also the objects of her affection about other women whether or not she and the object are in an "official" relationship. Seriously, just what the heck gives Ms. Arias the right to confront any of these people or to take her crying act to people such as the Hughes ? Maybe I am just crazy but I do see this as possessive, jealous, and downright obsessive. Full blown scary as well. :what:

Forgot to add - manipulative !

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

All of those fit her to a "T" but three things struck me about the one I've singled out:

1 - Her blog is a frightening shrine to Travis. More photos of Travis than even Travis has of himself on his blog.

2 - Travis did not have her photos on his blog.

3 - In all of the photos shown of Travis and Jodi together, she's the only one with a big cheesy teeth bearing grin. His lips are hardly parted in any of the photos. His half smiles in the photos seem almost forced.

There are no photographs of Travis laughing with her. But her hyena grin is everywhere.

BBM: I'm sorry to disagree with you on this about JA and TA in most of the pics of them together. I see quite a few pics with him looking clownish, silly or goofy and I know if my bf was doing that in pics I'd feel a little embarassed that he's making a mockery of us. In most pics JA is smiling which is appropriate for that type of photo. Please really look at what TA is doing in quite a few of those pics from a nonpartial viewpoint.........(I'm not trying to be confrontational--just calling it the way it is).

IMHO, this was the relationship of a "perfect storm".......

RIP TA

 

[gcharlie]

who is it? and what does the person do? she will do what?:twocents:

I'm wondering if the DT is reconsidering bringing any further witnesses, given the damage done to their case by their last three star witnesses who have been on the stand since the beginning of February. It was the DT's plan to have the strongest argument of their defense case in the testimony of ALV and this failed miserably. The forensic computer specialist has only been added to the list during this past week and is a clear afterthought out of desperation.

JM knows this case inside and out and appears to have thoroughly reviewed documents, paying attention to details. It is highly unlikely that the DT has a bombshell in waiting that could turn this case on a dime.

KIM that JA ultimately calls the shots in her defense case, however if I were JW or KN, I would strongly counsel her that further testimony will just open the door for JM to add more evidence against her.

 

[kscornfed]

I'm wondering if the DT is reconsidering bringing any further witnesses, given the damage done to their case by their last three star witnesses who have been on the stand since the beginning of February. It was the DT's plan to have the strongest argument of their defense case in the testimony of ALV and this failed miserably. The forensic computer specialist has only been added to the list during this past week and is a clear afterthought out of desperation.

JM knows this case inside and out and appears to have thoroughly reviewed documents, paying attention to details. It is highly unlikely that the DT has a bombshell in waiting that could turn this case on a dime.

KIM that JA ultimately calls the shots in her defense case, however if I were JW or KN, I would strongly counsel her that further testimony will just open the door for JM to add more evidence against her.

they won't add anyone. it's too late. whatever's coming next will be it.

 

[irishnate]

from what I heard I think Laviollette has some sort of medical tests she has to have on Monday but they haven't made the other "issue" public yet. I'm hoping it deals with her perjuring herself in her answer to the jury about how many times she's testified on behalf of men in a criminal case.

ty mrs.Pc

 

[Lulu67]

exactly! especially someone so cash strapped..leave work to confront the O.W. when you could just call the man who CHEATED ON YOU instead. The guy who was with her was so afraid of Jodi's reaction that he gave her the wrong apartment # and went to Bianca's apartment to warn her 1st! She describes him of acting like that because he's gay/dramatic...I think he was seriously concerned.

Back in my early 30's, I met a guy who really kept trying to talk to me. We went out a few times, nothing romantic (to me), and one night I was at a local place and some girl confronted me in the bathroom. Asked me if my name was _____, which freaked me out (how does this stranger know my name??!??!!). She then proceeded to tell me that this guy was her boyfriend, maybe they had kids, I don't really remember now, but what I DO remember was her telling me her friends wanted her to just jump me but she wanted to speak with me first. I offered to have her follow me to close to where I lived, I'd call the guy and tell him to meet me, and she could bust him. She was more than happy with that, so I called him, he showed up near my place and so did she. She lit into him and I remember him standing their looking at me as I walked away and said, "How could you do this?" and I said, "Because you lied."

Thankfully, I never heard from/saw either again. But my view is that we are all sisters really, and many times guys will lie to get a little side action. Why not stick up for each other, instead of being mad at the girl?? YES, there are lying, conniving chicks who thrive on stealing the husbands/boyfriends of other women to somehow prove they "have it and she doesn't" but one day they will find out. And they'll deserve all they get. In the meantime, we should look out for one another.

 

[Elley Mae]

BBM.

Just jumping off from your post, how would folks here define "scammed"? I wouldn't use it in the same context (?!) you are. Not criticizing you -- I just suspect we use the word differently, and maybe Travis was using it in a different way than I would have as well.

I always thought of scam/scamming as an example.
I was approached in a parking lot by a lady offering to sell my a pretty glass bud vase for $5.00.
The scam was she bought it in the goodwill for 50 cents next to the food lion and preys on the food lion shoppers visiting the lake in the summer. :what:

 

[ElleElle]

She was speaking on theory not facts. Juan was asking questions to get the facts.

That's not her style I suppose.

Juan asked her several times how many times she's testified in criminal court. I think she said 4, or was that the number of men she defended? :what:

What's amazing to me is that ALV, considering how loaded her resume is, would not understand that her behavior on cross would HURT the defense, not help it. It's completely bizarre.

If you have a group of laypeople you are trying to sway to your side, why would you deliberately be combative, passive aggressive and non responsive? She could have done a LOT of damage if she had delivered reasonable yes or no responses.

 

[momof7]

ITA!! It also dispells JA's account that TA was really insistent she come visit 1000 miles out of her way...for a few hours. I can't speak for anyone else but every name TA called her in that text I agreed with and could find something in the evidence to justify agreement.
One thing I noticed that ALV did for the prosecution yesterday was explain perfectly how JA was a stalker hahaha!!! Starting at 11.28,her answer to a jury question.....
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jGdoHiVH7E

My goodness yes. I didn't get home from work until late and started watching and in the first 30 minutes was when I saw the description of a stalker.

1. short term relationship that escalates quickly: Within 6 months of knowing each other JA was a Mormon and a PPL employee. Immersing herself in TA's life.
2. Peeping into windows, obssessive behavior: We know about the sleeping under Christmas trees etc.
3. Hacking into social media: JA says they have the passwords etc TA friends says TA told him she hacked into his stuff. Would love to know if they could prove from TA's computer if anytime JA wasn't in AZ he accessed her accounts.

Anyway, yes I don't think ALV knows what she did at that moment for the jury who has heard EVERYTHING and EVERY witness.

Kelly

 

[ElleElle]

BBM~ The closet shelf expert?

]I'm wondering if the DT is reconsidering bringing any further witnesses, given the damage done to their case by their last three star witnesses who have been on the stand since the beginning of February. It was the DT's plan to have the strongest argument of their defense case in the testimony of ALV and this failed miserably. The forensic computer specialist has only been added to the list during this past week and is a clear afterthought out of desperation.

JM knows this case inside and out and appears to have thoroughly reviewed documents, paying attention to details. It is highly unlikely that the DT has a bombshell in waiting that could turn this case on a dime.

KIM that JA ultimately calls the shots in her defense case, however if I were JW or KN, I would strongly counsel her that further testimony will just open the door for JM to add more evidence against her.

 

[atthelake]

Another thing that I wanted to see. Jodi took pics of herself driving to mesa on her premeditated murder trip and she had "bruises" on her neck. JM asked her about this on the stand and was about to show the pictures until an Objection from the defense and then the subject was dropped..Can someone find it for me? Where did she get these "bruises" from. She hadn't seen travis since April.. and yet Matt said he saw bruises on JA's neck. If travis was her abuser (which i dont believe) and she hadn't seen him since April..how did she get these "bruises" I wish JM could've shown that pic.

IIRC that was when she moved from Mesa back to her home in California. months earlier. When she rented u Haul.

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[spcagrl]

I read the article and I agree that Ms. LaViolette shouldn't be "destroyed". But even a tsunami of negative social media attention will not destroy her. She is not entitled to positive reviews on Amazon and her first amendment rights do not extend to the right to be paid to voice her opinions in a professional setting.

She has chosen to put herself out there professionally and personally. She chooses not only to advocate for a vicious self-confessed killer but to stretch her advocacy to making an implausible case that the killer's victim was a pedophile on the flimsiest of evidence. When confronted with a relentlessly aggressive prosecutor she exacerbates a bad situation by refusing to answer questions directly, disregarding the Court's admonitions, escalating the conflict by getting personal with Martinez, and finally misrepresenting (some would say lying about) her professional experience.

She contributes to blurring the line between her personal and professional personae by refusing to commit to an objective standard by which to judge her conclusions. She bristles when Martinez characterizes her as a human lie-detector, but her evasiveness about particulars, her numbing mantra of "context" and her holistic approach to decision-making leave her open to this kind of reductive labeling. She gives anecdotal answers to hard questions. Her thinking is too often soft and fuzzy. She insists that she lives in a perpetual gray zone, but her final opinion on Travis Alexander as an abuser is unshakably black-and-white.

She offers all this as the cornerstone in defense of an essentially indefensible client. She may very well believe in her cause, but she professes her faith in the face of Travis Alexander's grieving family and a grim and mounting cost to the state of Arizona. She provokes the anger of real victims of domestic abuse who feel insulted by her presentation. And then she complains about the outrage that her professional opinions and her personal conduct have drawn.

I disagree with the article that "nearly anyone would fall apart at such collective aggression aimed at them". Many people would have gone into the trial prepared for what might be coming. They would delete their Twitter and Facebook accounts. They would go dine with good friends in places far away from the courtroom. An escape from on-line bullying is one tiny power button away; a single mouse-click can silence all those clamorous voices.

Of course, Ms. LaViolette should not be menaced or attacked physically. But an on-line expression of genuine rage may in fact be cathartic and healthful, and, in the end, be a valuable contribution to the context on which LaViolette draws to form and express her opinions.

My web-moniker notwithstanding, I'm far too lazy to pick up any pitchfork, virtual or otherwise, and, misguided as she is, I can see that Ms. LaViolette's hands are empty. But if she is scared by the on-line mob rushing at her with their virtual pitchforks, she should glance back over her shoulder. Squinting hard into the shades of gray that surround her, she might finally make out the flesh-and-blood devil that looms right behind her. And Jodi's holding the biggest pitchfork of all.

OMG. This is the post of the century on this topic! I'm quoting because I am so far behind on my weekend reading but this deserves to be bumped up and bumped up again. Kudos to you and I hope to read many more of your posts!

 

[Zuri]

Why did ALV mention all the women's names, first and last, when she was testifying. Couldn't she have used initials or something? First names? No one else really used specific given names IIRC. I feel really badly for them.

 

[Colt46]

Guess this is how one looks after a week of death threats and complete strangers threatening to destroy you.

Psychological abuse in action.

Remember the teenager who killed herself because of bullying on the social media?

But, let's all laugh. This is so much fun. [sarcasm]

IMO

BBM
"Psychological abuse"? How about public outrage!

There must be a good reason at least six DV experts turned this case down. How could she possibly think that her defense of one of the most heinous murderers in recent years would not result in public outrage? C'mon! JA is on a par with CA and OJ. There had to be a point in time where she realized JA's actions were indefensible and lacked evidence of abuse - why didn't she simply step down?

It's not funny, and no one is laughing. However, we all have choices. ALV gambled, and lost. The first words out of JM's mouth in her Opening Statement were: "JA was FORCED to kill Travis Alexander". This might have been a good time for ALV to step down.

***As far as the comments on Amazon are concerned, there should have been a way to close the comment section, imo. There is something, however, called 'free speech' which is protected under the First Amendment. Unintended consequences for ALV, to be sure.

 

[nadjatheresa]

Just to add also, sometimes I think there are people who thrive on drama in their lives. They see nothing wrong with it. Like it. Can't live without it. Or the drama somehow proves how much you love or care for each other.

Maybe Bianca wasn't into drama and thats why she didn't react. Not that it wasn't a hostile conversation. I mean really, how could it NOT be hostile? Just the act itself was hostile. I am different in that I would never drive 90 miles to confront the OW. In this case she wasn't even the OW to confront. Only JA thought she and MM were still 'dating' or 'courting' whatever word she uses for sex on the sly with friends.

IMHO

K

Remember that when she got to the complex, the guy named Steve gave Jodi the wrong apartment number in order that he could go to the real apartment and warn Bianca?

 

[JRS_JD2L]

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but wasn't all this Travis bashing by the defense and hearsay allowed in because of the 'self defense' 'dv' reasoning. If ALL of Alyce's testimony is a 'sham' then NONE of the hearsay or trashing would have been allowed. It was only allowed in based on her 'defense.' Your thoughts?

Yes, you are right. Generally speaking, attacking the victim's character in this way is only allowed to show that the victim was the first aggressor. So, without the self defense claim, the alleged DV would be irrelevant and inadmissible.

 

[momof7]

Remember that when she got to the complex, the guy named Steve gave Jodi the wrong apartment number in order that he could go to the real apartment and warn Bianca?

Yes, and JA testified it was HIM who was into drama.

I mean...wow...I guess it COULD happen...but...:facepalm:

K

 

[Boodles]

I always thought of scam/scamming as an example.
I was approached in a parking lot by a lady offering to sell my a pretty glass bud vase for $5.00.
The scam was she bought it in the goodwill for 50 cents next to the food lion and preys on the food lion shoppers visiting the lake in the summer. :what:

That's not a scam, it's capitalism! What a profit margin...