weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #141

[swan366]

That would be me. She does not have a PhD. To be a Psychologist, you have to have a PhD. She has her Masters. She can "counsel" with a Masters. She can not prescribe medication/prescriptions.
You must hold a state license to validly practice any clinical counseling, even with a Masters background. States require licensure testing, continuing ed and license renewals.

Just wondering--Even if she had a PhD, she can't prescribe meds, can she? I thought I remembered that has to be done by an M.D. (psychiatrist).

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

One of the strangest things she has said throughout was when he answered "It might help you," and she shrugged him off with "You are so weird anyway!"

WTF was that supposed to mean??


ETA: she wanted to know if taking a lie detector test would help him, by the way

As many times as I've replayed that section, I keep thinking I did not hear that correctly. It was as if there was another conversation going on and she was answering the other person.

 

[dadgum]

You know how they say there s some truth spoken even in lies? When LV said JA was injured slicing apples, the first thought I had was, sure..Adam's apples..

Apologies if anyone already said this..

 

[The Farm]

I thought it was low, too. That's why I tried Robert Juarez next and got a much higher number. But I thought even that was low. The only thing I can think of is that this is people who have phones where they list their number? I don't know where those sites get their info from. Maybe like you say, it's land lines only.

It's amazing how many people no longer even have land lines. I still keep mine because I can't seem to part with it.

 

[katydid23]

I think the 'issue' is medical, sounded to me like she was doing some follow up to the panic attack last weekend, and didn't know if the tests would extend until Tuesday ~ which she was slapped down for suggesting.

I think hearings on Monday have nothing to do with ALV and everything to do with the media and televised hearing, and its repercussions.

Something about a still camera yes? Go here: http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/MediaRelationsDepartment/HighProfileList/index.asp type Arias in the search window and select 1 week from the options below and you'll see the court docket for Monday.

Interesting. That is the INSESSION POOL CAMERA that is used to film the trial. They distribute it to the other livestream sites.

A few possiblilities spring to mind:

Nurmi did ask previously, for the END to live broadcasting of the trial. So maybe they are going to have a hearing on that request?


Maybe there is something that was filmed on one of the pool cameras that is now being investigated. Maybe, for example, ALV denied approaching Samantha?

Or perhaps Nurmi believes that there is something from those cameras that will bolster his Motion For Mistrial?

 

[Really?]

Jody nutty story is that sex calmed Travis down. Which she went into in detail many times. So after that pre-murder sex session, Travis should have been as mellow as a marshmallow. A point Juan has not brought out yet. I wonder why?

To me, Jodi wasn't much of a talker.

 

[Equinoxical]

Just wondering--Even if she had a PhD, she can't prescribe meds, can she? I thought I remembered that has to be done by an M.D. (psychiatrist).

You're right: only an MD (or an NP or PA) can prescribe -- and only if they have a DEA number.

 

[katiedid2]

I think people were going on the Cancun trip at different times. I think Chris was already there when he'd heard of the murder. Mimi went to Travis' house because they were supposed to be leaving that next morning and she hadn't heard from him.

It is odd that it seems no one was disturbed by Travis' missing the call. I'd heard he was supposed to be a speaker on it. Maybe people left him voicemails about that, though? I don't know.

I don't know when Gus would have gone to Cancun, if he were going.

I think I posted that it was to be with gus searcey? I. Could be Wong.

 

[carnnell]

Yes, I think you're right. I believe to have a "Psychologist License" one has to have a doctorate. However, not being licensed does not prevent you from validly practicing psychological counseling.

But, maybe someone with real chops in this area can clear this up. :floorlaugh:

Well I "have chops" in this area. I am retired Licensed Addiction Specialist which falls as a Psychotherapist. I am every valid to practice quality mental heath as a Psychologist. Thank you very much.

To get my license I had to take rigorous written testing, oral boards for several hours (I think I if remember it was four or five hours). Kentucky was one of the hardest states to be licensed. In fact, Psychologist and Psychiatrist could not practice Addiction treatment w/o being licensed in that area.

Now that being said, she was a licensed Psychotherapist specializing in Family and Marriage Counseling.

Listed is the hierarchy in Mental Health (at least in 1997 before I retired):

Psychiatry: Psychiatrist (Medical Degree) Signs off on everyone
Licensed Psychiatric RN

Psychology:

Psychologist (PhD) Certification in Specialties (or Licensures depending on the state)

Psychological Associate MA PA: This is a Master Degree but a very highly specialized program. This equal to Physician Assistant to a Physician with equal responsibility to a Psychologist. After license obtained, they do not need to have a Psychologist sign off Psych Assessment/Treatment Plans

Psychotherapist MA with different specialties: This includes Family & Marriage Counsel, Addiction Specialist, LCMSW, etc. All these have highly training with rigorous testing, oral boards in their specialty etc.

Mental Health Technicians: They Associate degrees and/or in the process of obtaining a undergraduate degree. (get experience).

Now a tidbit that I found it that turn my stomach upside down. When I was getting my Master's, I was in the class "Family Dynamics". Lo and behold, I found out by listening to others there were undergrad, Master level and PhD candidates ALL taking the same class doing the same required work. The only difference -- the price of taking the class!!!!

So having a PhD is not the end all to brilliance in Mental Health folks.

I hope this clarifies this issue from someone who does "have the chops"
*sigh*

 

[SusieD]

Yeah she went thru my city to get her fries n water

She went through mine to get gas.

 

[Jimmynap]

I think I posted that it was to be with gus searcey? I. Could be Wong.

Hi Wong!

 

[Becky Sharp]

She stole other goods from her grandparents house and sold those things. Bet she made some money on some quickie booty calls too.

Like others here, I think she's long been involved in petty crime. For at least ten years she lived hand-to-mouth and on the fringes, flitting from job to job and man to man, but alvays (it seems) vith hard cash in her pocket. And, as others have previously noted, look at her skill vith knives (really nasty knives) and her knovvledge of hovv to hide them (and a gun). I don't think she learned such things from reading Nancy Drevv books. I also suspect this explains some of her long-standing relationship vvith MM.

Sorry about the missing double-u.

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

>snip<

Or perhaps Nurmi believes that there is something from those cameras that will bolster his Motion For Mistrial?

Would it have been grounds for a mistrial if Juanderful had started humming the Jeopardy theme song while he waited for Alyce to stop glaring and just admit Travis wrote that he was extremely afraid of Jodi's stalking?

 

[kayice]

http://.blogspot.com/2013/03/jodi-arias-charming-lying-murdering.html

Very interesting read about someone who was involved with a stalker sociopath and about his thoughts on Jodi. Sorry if its already been posted.
He talking how his ex was always interested in the tragedies in his life, the morbid details. If that is how they act, imagine how Jodi took delight in questioning Travis about his childhood, parents' deaths. Remember Juan shutting her up ..something about the father's death, the gun?

 

[usnuzuloose]

She went through mine to get gas.

I live near Sac airport, to close for my comfort

 

[SyraKelly]

I find the need to apologize for making some really stupid posts.....I don't really think I am stupid, just confused on a lot of stuff on this case.....so forgive me....

you need not to apologize & your posts were not stupid.Knowledge is power!

 

[G&AMom]

Well I do believe ALV has very effectively demolished any thoughts of her credibility with her testimony and her very skewed views on DV and that only women were victims and only men were perpetrators. Here is an interesting thought, my unique perspective.

I do believe that she is in a lesbian relationship with another women and that in her circle of friends, community she surely knows other lesbian couples. ( I was raised by a lesbian and got a firsthand view on life in the lesbian community as it grew and gained power and demanded womens rights, etc, yada, yada, yada).

If she truly believes that only men are perpetrators of DV and only women are victims of it then how does she reconcile that with the fact that there are lesbian couples who have DV incidents? Believe me, I saw LOTS of brawls with my mom and her partners and their friends. They could be quite vindictive and bloody. Really brutal and my mother was also the perpetrator in violence against my dad and smirked about it and used the court system against him. Sickening really.

ALV is not a victim's advocate because she will not admit that women can be perpetrators of extreme violence against men. A true victim's advocate would admit that victims of DV can be women or men. Her insistence that Jodi is the victim here is appalling and she has pretty much committed professional suicide by tying herself to this case by portraying Jodi as the victim.

I hope she wisely invest the blood money that she is paid for assassinating TA's character because I don't see that she will have much of a career in the future. True DV organizations are severing ties with her and she seems to have infuriated a good portion of the world with her ridiculous views.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, I'm not saying anything against lesbians,or looking to debate anything. I respect everyone's opinions and views. I'm just pointing out that if ALV was right about only men being perpetrators of DV then there would be NO DV in the lesbian community. I witnessed PLENTY of DV in my life being raised among lesbians. Just my 2 cents, tossed in the mix.

Your post reminded me of this (hope it's okay to post):

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2009-07-16/news/til-death/

Like SwampMama, this isn't meant as an indictment of gays/lesbians. In a sad kind of way, this points out that whatever our gender orientation, we're all people and do terrible stuff as well as wonderful stuff. JMO

 

[GumShoe209]

I've been following the Bobby is dead - wasn't it the other boyfriend - Victor Arias that she said died/committed suicide or am I mis-remembering this

 

[bznbear]

Yes, I do believe we would still be sitting here talking about this trial without the photos...but, it would have taken a bit longer. Jodi was the prime suspect from the very beginning, and it would have only been a matter of time to match the palm print with her. At that point, they would have been able to uncover all the premeditation evidence.

The only question I have is whether or not Jodi would have been able to bail and be on the run for some time. She might not have been arrested on that 1st day of interrogation, had Flores not had the photos. Might she have done an O.J. and flew the coop???

I agree, and I believe the photo of her standing over Travis' bloody body is paramount to discrediting her self-defense plea.

 

[gwenabob]

Sorry to disagree with you but....That wasn't a slit for silencing. You don't need to almost cut someone's head off to silence their vocal cords.

No, I don't think so either. But I suspect (and hope) that it was the defendant's first time slitting someone's throat and didn't have a lot of practice to know exactly how much force to use to just "silence" them vs nearly decapitate. I suspect she had a very sharp knife, pulled his head back and just quickly swiped it. I don't think she thought about, nor cared how deep it went. She just wanted the noise to stop.

My point is, it was not "ritualistic." It was simply utilitarian--whatever it took.