weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #139

[IMPondering]

I found TA's words extremely telling, also. It is clear that he had discovered JA's true nature and the the evil, destructive power of a psychopath.

How horribly ironic that ALV, knowing nothing true and not caring to know anything true, and certainly not the context of TA's words, would attempt to use use TA's own words against him (calling that "abuse") only to defend the murderer with his own words.

Like many others here, I hope ALV has ruined herself and what she has done is never forgotten.

What is as frightening as ALV herself, running groups and "treating" damaged people, is other "professionals" out there like herself, with extreme biases and arrogance that cannot be overcome with facts, logic, evidence, writings, pictures, also "treating" people.

How many licensed "psychotherapists," psychologists, and psychiatrists are out there in clinical settings, or in courtrooms, making money like ALV and Doc $ with real people, whom we will never see on camera like those two?

Excellent points! Food for thought.

 

[The Village Idiot]

What is it with the photos, anyway? She was literally begging to see them when Flores was questioning her. My first thought was that she needed to see them in order to match her story to them, and that's obvious part of it. But not all of it. She wants to see her handiwork? She gets turned on by seeing the aftermath? She's so manipulative during that interrogation that it's hard to see what her motives are sometimes. I still don't get entirely what she was doing.

IMHO -- She was testing Flores, as I think at this point she was so sure the camera was destroyed and forgot about the SD card. So she wanted to see the photos to see if Flores was just playing/leading/lying to her to see if she would confess. After all, I think she was pretty sure she had gotten away with it. She NEEDED to see the pics to see if they could put her there, and If they did have pics -- as she thought at this point she had out-smarten them when she put the camera in the Washer.

She needed to see *proof* if they had pics -- so then after that her story changed. She also might be a bit morbid too. But she was working Flores in her sweet little voice.

She thought they were buffing, so she wanted them to show their cards (photos). She was being Calculative!!



moo

 

[TartLemon]

Chris/Sky Hughes will not be pleased the Pros has used them to destroy Travis' character. Their testimony in the rebuttal should be very interesting. JA is surely dreading it, too.

 

[katiedid2]

Did I miss ALV talking about Jodi's return to Travis' house in the UHaul a few hours after she'd left? Or Travis allowing her to stay a few more days? Was any text/email/IM produced in which Travis asked Jodi to move from Yreka to Mesa in July 2007, to stay in Mesa rather than move back to CA in April 08, or move back to Mesa from CA after April 08? None that I remember.

This girl called Travis and told him she was going to sleep in the uhaul. Kind Travis said ok come overnight. She CLUNG for four days longer. I think when she moved to az she expected to be his live in girlfriend. I giggle everytime
Made me think of her at another time sleeping under his Christmas tree.

 

[Truth Detector]

I have a legal term/knowledge that JA may use/try. I have my own case-law file on it. But I am not going to mention it at this time -- in case that helps her in any way. I would like mention it....but I just can not right now. I do not want to give any legal recourse for her.

I will mention it way, way, way down the road....:facepalm:

She seems to come up with enough ideas on her own.

 

[rose222]

Chris/Sky Hughes will not be pleased the Pros has used them to destroy Travis' character. Their testimony in the rebuttal should be very interesting. JA is surely dreading it, too.

I keep hearing rumours that they will not testify during rebuttal. I won't believe any of it unless I hear it confirmed from a reliable source.

I cannot imagine the Hughes not testifying.

 

[JustJudy]

Respectfully Snipped for length by me

Good Morning to all the WBers!!! Fresh coffee :cup: :cup: :cup: or refills!!!!

I have had enough of AVL, I have turned her over to the Judge, Karma and the Universe. She got to me yesterday big time, I just don't want my serenity disturbed by her testimony. She isn't worth it....

.....He was very tolerant person of others faults, misgivings and empathetic......When he met Jodi, the tides turned to a world he was not use to... I hope we can hear in re-buttal the "The Something" unless it is too prejudicial. JHMO

Your delish coffee hit the spot; maybe one more cuppa....better make it decaf. It's too beautiful this morning to jump right into weekend chores.

Thanks for sharing your heartfelt, beautifully expressed thoughts. Your post contained no vitriol, no words of provocation, yet described the sense of outrage many of us feel when watching the courtroom bludgeoning of Travis' memory.

Yesterday's session had to be seen to be believed and the cameraman did an awesome job, imo. He would pan around resting on has-to-be-living-in-a-bubble ALV as she spit out her hubris-fueled,irrelevant to this case rhetoric; then over to the Alexander family, some of whom seemed to be imploding with grief right before our eyes; then on to the oblivious killer, who btw seems to have discarded any attempt at appearing less than animalistic.

I wondered where the bailiff was as the camera caught her posing, glaring, touching, carrying out furtive little tasks & missions for who knows what purpose.

Watching her smirk & swivel about in her chair, straining to get a better look at the spectators, all to the tune of ALV prattling on and on about JA's victimhood, as Travis' family members sat sobbing just feet away, was immeasurably cruel, in my opinion.

Yesterday, the camera, speaking through the eyes of its talented operator, told us more truth than anything from ALV. imo

 

[awakening2lite]

Yes, the jury "got" it when Juan asked (AFTER nailing down exactly where she put her foot for balance, just in case she said she put it on the very bottom shelf), "Would it surprise you to know the shelves are rated at 40lbs?"

And they "got" it when they saw Travis's military precision closet with not one single hanger askew despite a life or death chase and an alleged desperate climb up the front of the closet for the supposed gun. If you disturbed even one of the shoes so carefully lining the shelves, it would have caused a domino effect on the surrounding shoes.

You're right. They get it.

You score all the right points in the matter. Thanks for explaining and for the reminder. The pic of the closet makes it clear how undisturbed it was. If I might add, his friends say he never had a gun and no bullets found.

I think her entire plan centered around concealing her trip to AZ and tossing the gun and knife.

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

ALV's credibility was in that toilet at that point. She FLUSHED it with that answer!

She answered it that way because she doesn't view what happened to TA as "domestic violence." She sees it as "self defense" so in her mind, the two scenarios aren't the same so one can't be worst than the other. You know, because they are "different." In other words, if TA didn't abuse JA and FORCE her to DEFEND herself, he wouldn't be dead today.

So, yea, I don't think that will go over well with the jury either way because they have probably already decided that JA's story about how she killed him is a load of... :bricks:

 

[nursebeeme]

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[Donnareit]

I had not seen this before and thought others might not have as well.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yHaWXJhOOo4OR0bSi__ObbzdQiD8mmdWTOwsUUC3MLg/edit?pli=1


Deanna Reid Eulogy - Kleenex Alert

IMO this is someone Travis DID NOT tell JA was crazy.

Thanks for finding and sharing this. :tyou:

What a great person to be taken too soon. If all the character assassination ever gets the best of you, just pull this out and read it. Refreshment for the soul.

 

[pferrin]

I have a legal term/knowledge that JA may use/try. I have my own case-law file on it. But I am not going to mention it at this time -- in case that helps her in any way. I would like mention it....but I just can not right now. I do not want to give any legal recourse for her.

I will mention it way, way, way down the road....:facepalm:

Thanks for the classy behavior. You are awesome.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I am kind of wondering if the hearing Tuesday has something to do with Alyce asking for a break, 20 minutes before lunch, then claiming sick and ending the day.

I would like to know how Wilmott knew Alyce was sick when nothing was said (per the video). You did see Alyce look at her watch numerous times, then Wilmott look towards a wall clock (perhaps) then saying "May we approach". Wilmott may have known all along that Alyce had an appointment to keep.

Maybe later, Alyce was seen out and not sick.

I think that's an excellent possibility.

My possible theory is that the same juror that asked LaViolette why she continually looked over and smiled at the defendant may have sent a note to the judge last week that LaViolette was being coached from the defence table.

I wondered if the ex parte two hour session in chambers the other day, with LaViolette present, was while the judge went through the camera footage, and now Tuesday is a hearing on Wilmott's behaviour.

 

[awakening2lite]

My thoughts exactly! It's really easy to fake an eye exam and get glasses. I had a friend that did it when we were younger because she liked my glasses. She had terrible headaches and couldn't wear them, though. :/

I knew I wasn't the only. I have put my Mom's glasses on from time to time to read fine print and get a headache.

Ever notice how she lifts them when reading?

 

[chijojo]

This is what I based my little parody, posted yesterday, on.

Amazing it took all that to get her to acknowledge that. Even at the end, after her "talking to" she still tried to evade.

What I wanna know is what was the question the DT found so dangerous that it convinced them to make ALV admit this to avoid having it asked?

I'm trying to find your parody post....no luck:facepalm:

 

[sammijo]

I asked earlier on this thread if anyone knew when the phone call from Arias to Travis took place (that AVL referred to yesterday) where she threatened to reveal the pedophelia. Unless the timing is way off, I think that is what he was reacting to.

Did I miss something?

That question bothered me. There was no pedophilia. There was a secretly recorded sex tape that Jodi obviously made to blackmail him and/or keep other women away from him.

Either a juror was being facetious or they were buying JA's shyster story.

I'm not fussing - I just genuinely don't understand where the heck that question came from.

 

[Boytwnmom]

So, he was very interested in sex. Big whoop.

Her interpretations of so many things we DO know were wrong-like thinking he was "jealous" when he was mad because Jodi was LYING about people coming in and telling her things (you know, her fave crazy tale of strangers popping in at her work to drop the dime on her bf's when it was her snooping that gave her the info). She thinks calling Jodi a sociopath is "character assassination" when most of us are amazed at how spot on he was in his, perhaps, unprofessional, but startlingly accurate diagnosis.

ALV's whole determination was based on texts, e-mails from Travis-Jodi. That's it. Oh, and one e-mail from the Hughes. And that wasn't relevant to the finding of "battering", the most severe "battering" she'd EVER seen. All of this other "stuff" was about him playing the field. She finds that "abusive", a single guy who was officially broken up with someone was playing the field. She can call that abuse all she wants. To most normal people it ain't much to be concerned about. He was abusive because he approached other women about sex and if they weren't interested he backed off-that too was indicative, to her, of him being an abuser. Just because she may believe her own "words" doesn't mean any one else does.

Her opinion was devoted to the ESCALATION but what she failed to see and what most of us see clearly is the ESCALATION was because Travis had found out what Jodi was-a sociopath as he said. A scary, emotionless, lying, scheming, conniving, manipulative, psycho. That's why it was escalating-cause he was finding out more and more about her, she was slashing more and more tires, was hacking into more and more accounts, was making up more and more lies, was peeping into more windows and crawling more frequently through the doggie door. Her finding that the abuse was so bad based on escalation to character assassination was just Travis uncovering just who Jodi was.

I can take her at her "word". She may even believe her own biased conclusions. But her credibility has been destroyed and so her "word" won't do the killer any good. And it's pretty clear that almost no one believes anything about the alleged physical abuse and even less believe Travis was a pedophile. But those additional claims that Jodi and ALV and the DT are willing to peddle are likely to be just the claims that ensure she gets the DP.

Absolutely, I do. I heard him talk about sex for a very long time and that was only a portion of the conversation.

Here's the unfair thing, and I can't say I have ever seen this happen before--she is commenting on thousands of words she has seen but nobody else will ever be allowed to see. This is so unfair to her because everyone is acting as if this information does not exist. It does exist, you just can't tell.

But, so far, I trust her completely. I'm willing to take her word for what she read and what it means.

IMO

 

[katiedid2]

Y'all think Jodie's still thinks she's going to be acquitted.?

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

Did I miss something?

That question bothered me. There was no pedophilia. There was a secretly recorded sex tape that Jodi obviously made to blackmail him and/or keep other women away from him.

Either a juror was being facetious or they were buying JA's shyster story.

I'm not fussing - I just genuinely don't understand where the heck that question came from.

I thought the question was a hypothetical? I don't remember now.

 

[awakening2lite]

She answered it that way because she doesn't view what happened to TA as "domestic violence." She sees it as "self defense" so in her mind, the two scenarios aren't the same so one can't be worst than the other. You know, because they are "different." In other words, if TA didn't abuse JA and FORCE her to DEFEND herself, he wouldn't be dead today.

So, yea, I don't think that will go over well with the jury either way because they have probably already decided that JA's story about how she killed him is a load of... :bricks:

There is irony in that. Years ago, when she began her practice, the cry foul related to the tendency to blame the battered for causing the anger. Now, here we are again seeing the victim blamed for causing his own death.