What do the profilers say?

[Eagle1]

Probably LHP just exaggerates a lot or the words were put into her mouth.
It's a ridiculous statement.

JonBenet frequently didn't feel well, also had some allergies, I seem to remember. Maybe ate something that didn't agree with her.

 

[Eagle1]

I agree. A child cannot pass a fully formed bowel movement the size of a grapefruit. Although a bout of diarrhea could easily leave a staiin that size.

Right, Tipper. And since this has made it to the bottom of the page, I just want to bump it up.

 

[Camper]

Right, Tipper. And since this has made it to the bottom of the page, I just want to bump it up.

------>>>I do think IF a child or person 'overate' on pineapple they could in fact have a substantive pile of poo, with an easy delivery.

Here is one link for your digestion.

http://www.pediatriconcall.com/forpatients/DietandDisease/pineapple.asp

This link is quick and easy, read and become enlightened.

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[ellen13]

A lot of people don't realize that constipation and wetting the bed go hand in hand. The bowel can totally affect the bladder. And, it's very common for children to be consipated. When she was going to bathroom, she was probably moving her bowels, but just getting a little out each time. If JBR had been on high fiber diet and had limited drinks before bedtime, and cutting all caffeine and high fruit drinks from her diet (acid irritates the bladder), I don't think she would have wet the bed as frequently. For example, anything acidic would have hurt her bladder. Pineapple should have been the last thing she should have been eating, especially late at night. A good urologist could have treated her and this problem would have gone away. I know of one of the best pediatric urologists in Colorado. If she had seen him, he would have known how to cure her. Too bad she didn't live long enough to get this resolved.If it had persisted, around the age of 8 or 9, they have alarms that go off in the middle of the night that teach the kids how to get up and go and they are very effective. I don't think her bed wetting had anything to do with the molestation. However, I believe that she was being molested. That would explain her bladder infections. I just can't believe her doctor didn't catch on to all of this. With bladder incontinence like she had, it is not uncommon to have soiling.

 

[Camper]

WE (meaning Websleuths) don't know what JonBenets diet was like on a daily basis, a. How much or too much fibre she had daily, or b. how much fruit OR if any fruit juice, OR how much fruit juice she drank either.

How much caffeine she might have ever had is totally unknown to us as well.

The fact that she knew that McDonalds burgers made people fat, indicates to me that she was perhaps hounded/educated on keeping herself tiny and PRETTY.

Someone could drag up the statements made by PR on what the
children ate for breakfast, I cannot remember with clarity.

But with dimness, it sounded like they pretty much fended for themselves to boxed items, correct me if I err.

It has been heavily covered and posted about that PINEAPPLE was JonBenets favorite fruit.

Perhaps this was the trigger for what happened 'That Night', WE do not know HOW MUCH pineapple JonBenet ate that night. WE do not know how much was left in the community bowl, or when the pineapple was cut, since PR states she did not know about them even having pineapple in the house.

Additionally WE do not know what time of day the pineapple was actually eaten by JonBenet, from THAT bowl.

QUOTING MY previous post here

---->>>I do think IF a child or person 'overeats' on pineapple they could in fact have a substantive pile of poo, with an easy delivery.

Here is one link for your digestion.
http://www.pediatriconcall.com/forp...e/pineapple.asp

This link is quick and easy, read and become enlightened.

This link is a Pediatric On Call, Child Health Care site, with tons of information. PINEAPPLE IS A LAXATIVE, promoting digestion, and of course a heavy source of bromelain a natural enzyme.

Just a further thought, IF IF JonBenet was not feeling well Christmas day, it could have been constipation, and pineapple could have been fed during the day as a happy treatment. Might not have kicked in til late night. imop.

A harried mom at Christmas time, could be.

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[narlacat]

<<Someone could drag up the statements made by PR on what the
children ate for breakfast, I cannot remember with clarity.>>

I don't know where those comments can be found, but I remember reading them.
Patsy said she gave the kids whatever was handy....sometimes they had fruit, oatmeal or pop tarts.

I don't disagree with Patsy telling JonBenét MacDonalds makes you fat because it does and is so unhealthy, but pop tarts are in the same category.....they are just crap.
I don't understand why she wasnt allowed Macca's but was allowed other junk food.

 

[Eagle1]

Am I the only one who never heard of Macca's? What are those? I think I read all the books, must have blinked.

I don't have a link either about what they had for breakfast that morning, but if I'm not mistaken, I seem to remember, wasn't it pancakes?

 

[Camper]

<<Someone could drag up the statements made by PR on what the
children ate for breakfast, I cannot remember with clarity.>>

I don't know where those comments can be found, but I remember reading them.
Patsy said she gave the kids whatever was handy....sometimes they had fruit, oatmeal or pop tarts.

I don't disagree with Patsy telling JonBenét MacDonalds makes you fat because it does and is so unhealthy, but pop tarts are in the same category.....they are just crap.
I don't understand why she wasnt allowed Macca's but was allowed other junk food.

------>>>narlacat, I never heard McDonalds called Macca's, I note you are in Australia, do you have McD's down there?

Here you can hear folks refer to McDonalds as MacDucks, or Mac D's.

Actually from the nutrition things I read currently, its not the burger that gets you, its the white bread AMPLE bun = carb carb carb = White flour = glue, = clogged arteries.

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[sharpar]

I remember pancakes as well but not sure where it was being discussed. It was one of the few things she remembered or didnt add a disclaminer to the statement.

 

[narlacat]

------>>>narlacat, I never heard McDonalds called Macca's, I note you are in Australia, do you have McD's down there?

Here you can hear folks refer to McDonalds as MacDucks, or Mac D's.

Actually from the nutrition things I read currently, its not the burger that gets you, its the white bread AMPLE bun = carb carb carb = White flour = glue, = clogged arteries.

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We do have McDonalds here in Oz.
And we sometimes refer to McDonald's as Macca's.
Sorry for the confusion.

Edit to add I didnt realise Camper was talking about Christmas morning in relation to breakfast.
They had pancakes that morning.

 

[narlacat]

I agree. A child cannot pass a fully formed bowel movement the size of a grapefruit. Although a bout of diarrhea could easily leave a staiin that size.

You should see the size of my child's bowel movements!
Some days I am truly amazed at how much comes out, especially if a day has been missed without a bowel movement.

I don't think LHP's statement was ridiculous at all, it can happen.

 

[Toltec]

aussiesheila,

When Steve Thomas told Patsy Ramsey on national TV and in his book "You're good for it.", it meant "You killed JonBenet."

Steve Thomas was successfully sued by the Ramseys due to, at least in part, that comment by Thomas -- because he couldn't prove it.

BlueCrab

There was no way Steve Thomas could defend himself by "giving away the store". This is an open case and Steve was not about to jeapordize it by evidence the Ramseys are not privy to.

 

[Toltec]

You should see the size of my child's bowel movements!
Some days I am truly amazed at how much comes out, especially if a day has been missed without a bowel movement.

I don't think LHP's statement was ridiculous at all, it can happen.

Yesiree....my three year-old nephew can really have large bowel movements.

Patsy did say that the kids ate whatever was there.

From DOI:

JOHN: While the kids played with their gifts, Patsy and I went to the kitchen to prepare our traditional Christmas morning breakfast of pancakes, bacon, corn beef hash, and hash browns. I usually made the pancakes so I got all the ingredients together while Patsy set the table and cooked the rest of the breakfast. JonBenet's always loved to get into the act and was right under my elbows, standing on a stool by the stove, to help pour the pancake batter. She normally liked to make a Mickey Mouse shape with the batter and decorate it at the table with fruit and raisins to make the face come to life, but there wasn't time for that on Christmas day. Too many new things to play with. Burke came to the table just long enough to eat a bite. As far as he was concerned, eating got in the way of playing.

No mention of JonBenet eating.....

 

[Eagle1]

.......As far as the makeup brush being animal hair,and it being the animal hair found on JB's body,is a stretch. But I put it out there,because at one point the LE was asking about Patsy's makeup.

This hair may be a huge clue to what happened, if we could just interpret it correctly. She could have grabbed a makeup brush just as easily as she could have grabbed a paint brush. There was SOMETHING going on involving a makeup brush, evidently.

(As I've said before, PR's brushes, including maybe for watercolor if she ever did any of that medium, were probably expensive and wouldn't shed. There's such a thing as a watercolor mop for laying in large washes, backgrounds. I forget what kind of hair. Used to have one years ago, and threw it away because of shedding. I think the hair in it was black. But the makeup brush, can't remember who first suggested it, is my favorite theory about where the hair came from. Don't know if there was a photoshoot or if she just woke up after her nap on the way home and was playing with makeup. )

 

[Seahorseladydi]

In reality -

-nobody who just killed someone in the house where they live are going to start writing anything down.

-nobody who just comitted murder is going to call the police and report a kidnapping, sure to invite the FBI, willingly, and hours before necessary.

-nobody who just comitted murder and has to stay at the scene is going to leave enough evidence behind to prosecute a capital crime.

I DO NOT agree with this at all......... do the research..... there are too many cases to count that these things HAVE happened.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I DO NOT agree with this at all......... do the research..... there are too many cases to count that these things HAVE happened.

All these things?

Where the perp penned a note, presented a kidnapping while a murder victim lay hidden in the house, and left the murder weapon with the victim?

Good luck to you finding a precedent, as this case seems to be without one. At least as far as a co-occupant of the house being the actual perp is concerned.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

---------->>> Mistake was a misquote attributed to me, what I said was this, IN RED:


WE do not know what time of day or which day the cord thingie was made. erroneous argument.

WE still don't know how old this instrument was or who made it.

WE don't know when the ransom note was written either or what day it was written.


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The term 'thingie' still mischaracterizes and decriminalizes the murder weapon. Perhaps your intention in using the term was to identify the weapon as not fully understood.

Its not unusual for RDI to decriminalize or sugar coat the evidence, because it makes the otherwise brutal and vicious evidence somehow fit the R's lifestyle or environment better.

The evidence suggests that the injury to JBR"s skull was not accidental, and the injury to her neck was not staging.

 

[LinasK]

All these things?

Where the perp penned a note, presented a kidnapping while a murder victim lay hidden in the house, and left the murder weapon with the victim?[

-nobody who just killed someone in the house where they live are going to start writing anything down.

-nobody who just comitted murder is going to call the police and report a kidnapping, sure to invite the FBI, willingly, and hours before necessary.

-nobody who just comitted murder and has to stay at the scene is going to leave enough evidence behind to prosecute a capital crime.

HOH, the perp wrote the note as part of the staging to deflect attention from the real killers and make it look like an intruder gained entry. The staging of the murder scene is the whole key, that's why PR wrote the note post-mortem, we don't know how soon after she wrote it- she had hours to compose it, maybe she didn't write it immediately.The murder weapon was part of the staging, usually there is one unless the death is by strangulation with hands or suffocation. The Ramsey's didn't count on F.B.I. involvement, they didn't think it through far enough. They assumed LE would believe their little story of the intruder and went as far as to contaminate the evidence when John carried JB up the stairs.

 

[LinasK]

The evidence suggests that the injury to JBR"s skull was not accidental, and the injury to her neck was not staging.

Agreed, these were her actual death injuries. The re-dressing, placing of the body, and ransom note were some of the staging components.

I believe the neck injury came first as part of her sexual assault, then the perp finished her off with the skull fracture rather than seek help for her.

 

[Camper]

The term 'thingie' still mischaracterizes and decriminalizes the murder weapon. Perhaps your intention in using the term was to identify the weapon as not fully understood.

Its not unusual for RDI to decriminalize or sugar coat the evidence, because it makes the otherwise brutal and vicious evidence somehow fit the R's lifestyle or environment better.

The evidence suggests that the injury to JBR"s skull was not accidental, and the injury to her neck was not staging.

--------->>>Well I still prefer 'thingie' to explain 'the' device. First of all it was not made in China nor did it have a 'Made In China' tag on it, nor was it purchased professionally at a Wal Mart or Sex shop.

The 'thingie' was manufactured in the Ramsey home as evidenced by the rope fibres found on JonBenets bed, and an olde broken Ramsey artists paint brush handle included in the manufacture of it.

During my 9 plus years here online working on this case it has been described as an EA device, an AEA device and a garrott. This particular 'thingie' included rope to entangle the victims wrists.

DO you really think that an outside perpetrator of unknown ethnicity from a foreign part of our world, would take the time to 'manufacture' this 'thingie right in the home of the murder victim?

WHY would a foreign faction even bring or manufacture a 'thingie' in the home IF IF they just wanted a STRANGE Access Graphics meaningful amount of MONEY, $118,000.00?

WE donut know IF this 'thingie' was the actual murder weapon, or IF a scarf (perhaps the one that JR tucked around JonBenets neck in her little casket), or possibly the sweater that JonBenet had been wearing was involved in the strangling of her.

You have mischaracterized my depth of thought about the murder of this little girl. I had five little baby girls and they are all still alive.

IF WE (includes the BPD, Lou Smit etc.)were ALL so smart and wise, someone would be sitting in the Striped Jail Cell Spa.

Put this case in the same file as the Lizzie Borden case, in that WE (the world) will be hashing it over FOREVER. Just like Lizzie, the Lindbergh baby, Jack the Ripper etc., OJ.

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