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Due to watching so many crime shows, I wondered the cause of Desiree's kidney failure at the very beginning. Now, after hearing that it was caused by OTC supplements, I wonder even more if this is really the cause or if anything about that is now considered hinky, or if there are still any tissue samples that might ought to be tested.
 
I wonder if Kryon brought his lunch that day...it is just one more thing I wonder, not the main thing.
 
Due to watching so many crime shows, I wondered the cause of Desiree's kidney failure at the very beginning. Now, after hearing that it was caused by OTC supplements, I wonder even more if this is really the cause or if anything about that is now considered hinky, or if there are still any tissue samples that might ought to be tested.

My mind has wandered along those lines, too. I would like to know if Desiree has ever had the cause re-examined.
 
I wonder if Kryon brought his lunch that day...it is just one more thing I wonder, not the main thing.

If he didn't, Terri could just say he was planning to buy hot lunch.
 
If he didn't, Terri could just say he was planning to buy hot lunch.

Might be interesting to know, though, whether he was in the habit of bringing his lunch or buying it at school. If there were a change in the routine that day, it would be one more clue.
 
I'm not sure what is meant by this...that Terri somehow made her ill?

Yeah.

I know it's far out, but my mind has wandered there, in light of Kyron being missing and the MFH plot (allegedly). I just wonder if it's ever crossed Desiree's mind.
 
I did a quick google search for OTC supplements and kidney damage. Apparently taking too much Vitamin D can cause this. Scary.
 
I did a quick google search for OTC supplements and kidney damage. Apparently taking too much Vitamin D can cause this. Scary.

That is definitely good to know, but isn't vitamin D approved by the FDA? Desiree's OTC supplement was not approved.
 
I've kind of wondered about some of those weight loss drugs...after a pregnancy. Some of those can be damaging.
 
I know that earlier I said something inconsequential, when all things are considered, so I will just go for the BIG question, which I am sure has been asked by many more before me: what the H - e - double - L hockey sticks was TMH doing between 8:45 am and 11:20 am. I really don't give a hoot about any receipts or conversations with gym employees, I want to know WHAT SHE WAS DOING. /shout\cut to the chase.

Seems like a simple request to me... MOO and all that.
 
That is definitely good to know, but isn't vitamin D approved by the FDA? Desiree's OTC supplement was not approved.

Several of these below can cause kidney damage--some are used for stress, like Kava Kava.

* aconite
* bitter orange
* chaparral
* colloidal silver
* coltsfoot
* comfrey
* country mallow
* germanium
* greater celandine
* kava
* lobelia
* yohimbe

Wish we had a pharmacist on board to tell us if there's been any news about any of these--related to risk of kidney impairment--in the past decade.
 
Kava Kava - for anxiety:

Kava beverages, made from dried roots of the shrub Piper methysticum , have been used ceremonially and socially in the South Pacific for hundreds of years and in Europe since the 1700s.

Several well-conducted human studies have demonstrated kava's efficacy in the treatment of anxiety with effects observed after as few as one to two doses and progressive improvements over one to four weeks. Preliminary evidence suggests possible equivalence to benzodiazepines.

Many experts believe that kava is neither sedating nor tolerance-forming in recommended doses. Some trials report occasional mild sedation, although preliminary data from small studies suggest lack of neurological-psychological impairment.

There is growing concern regarding the potential for liver toxicity from kava. Multiple cases of liver damage have been reported in Europe, including hepatitis, cirrhosis, and liver failure. Kava has been removed from shelves in several countries due to these safety concerns. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued warnings to consumers and physicians. It is not clear what dose or duration of use is correlated with the risk of liver damage. The quality of these case reports has been variable; several are vague, describe use of products that do not actually list kava as an ingredient, or include patients who also ingest large quantities of alcohol. Nonetheless, caution is warranted.

Chronic or heavy use of kava has also been associated with cases of neurotoxicity, pulmonary hypertension, and dermatologic changes. Most human trials have been shorter than two months, with the longest study being six months in duration.

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Until recently, kava was generally thought to be safe: when used in otherwise healthy people not taking any other drugs, herbs, or supplements; over short periods of time (one to two months); and at recommended doses. However, there have been numerous reports of severe liver problems in people using kava. Multiple cases of liver toxicity, including liver failure, have been reported following the use of kava in Europe. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued warnings to consumers and physicians and has requested that physicians report cases of liver toxicity that may be related to kava use. Although many natural medicine experts still believe that kava is safe at recommended doses, there is not enough scientific information to make a clear conclusion. Therefore, kava should be used only under the supervision of a qualified healthcare professional, should never be used above recommended doses, and should be avoided by people with liver problems or taking drugs that affect the liver.

Other serious side effects that have been observed with chronic or heavy use of kava include: skin disorders, blood abnormalities, apathy, kidney damage, seizures, psychotic syndromes, and increased blood pressure in the lungs (pulmonary hypertension). Blood in the urine has also been reported.

Mild side effects may include gastrointestinal (stomach) upset, allergic rash, or mild headache.

MUCH MORE: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-kava.html
 
I've kind of wondered about some of those weight loss drugs...after a pregnancy. Some of those can be damaging.


Bingo cluciano! You hit the nail on the head. My sister loved, and I mean loved the OTC diet supplements containing ephedra. We both started taking them at the same time.. I lasted a few weeks on them but they made me so shaky and my heart race that I had to give them up... Too bad for my sis she NEVER DID. Months literally turned into years, a coupla years.. She started experiencing extreme fluctuations in BP, from sky high[literally stroke levels] to plummeting dangerously low... She did not take this seriously, at first.. She almost took it so casually for so long that it almost cost her, her life..

By the time we caught on to what was going on[she lived alone at the time, so we were all in the dark that she was even still taking the "Ephedra" based diet supplements] her condition was very much deteorating. I was with her when she started having one of the huge fluctuations in BP.. I took her BP when she felt it was high and it literally was 198/108[took it 2 other times within a 5min period of time and both readings were quite similar] So I demanded she go to ER...

Too make a really long story short her kidneys were in major distress[many ppl will recognize that any strain or probs with kidneys very much elevates your BP]. Alot went on for a good 9 month period of time including her finally admitting how long she'd been using the ephedra[it had been banned 2 yrs prior to this and she had since been ordering it online where it was still "legal"]...

It was a long recovery with a few set backs during that period of time... But doctors said there was no doubt whatsoever in their minds that it was her long term use and/or abuse of the "ephedra" based diet pills.. So many of us were so very shocked as you think these OTC "herbals" are harmLESS, never would you dream they were capable of the damage done and even fatal.[am not sure the areas they still are "legal" but I do know that in our tri-state area they are NOT LEGAL!]

So, after I heard it confirmed that Desiree had the kidney failure due to Non-FDA approved OTC supplements I thought immediately that more than likely it was one of the "diet" supplements containing ephedra[of course cannot know that for sure until it is confirmed by Desiree]...
 
The article below, in which it was stated Desiree's kidney failure was from medication that wasn't FDA approved, is from August 4. It says she wouldn't say what medication it was.

Has Desiree said since then that it wasn't a medication after all, but an OTC supplement?

The reason I ask is because I've never heard supplements or diet pills referred to as medication. Also because I know a woman whose medication for her illness (MD or MS sorry I can't remember) wasn't working, and so she researched the medications given in other countries, and then went to Mexico to a doctor there and got a non-FDA approved medication to take.

TIA

When the boy was 2 years old, Desiree suffered kidney failure she says was a result of taking a medication that was not FDA-approved—what medication, she won’t say.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/
 
Kidney failure can be the result of taking Advil or Tylenol, etc., also. In fact, we all should be aware that these approved drugs are one of the greatest reasons people end up in the emergency room with kidney failure.

http://www.bcadvisor.com/over-the-counter-pain-relievers-dangerous-causes-breast-cancer-105115.html

HOWEVER, I am at a loss as to the relationship between the cause of DH's kidney failure 6 years ago and her son's disappearance or recovery. I actually refrained adding a comment about over-the-counter pain relievers earlier as this is a "list only" thread. I'm so confused.....:confused:
 
That is definitely good to know, but isn't vitamin D approved by the FDA? Desiree's OTC supplement was not approved.

The wording was vague enough it could have meant a drug not used in an approved manner or for its approved indication.
 
Well, it's apparent Desiree doesn't want people digging into her life to ask questions regarding decisions she made which separated her from her children.
 
Kidney failure can be the result of taking Advil or Tylenol, etc., also. In fact, we all should be aware that these approved drugs are one of the greatest reasons people end up in the emergency room with kidney failure.

http://www.bcadvisor.com/over-the-counter-pain-relievers-dangerous-causes-breast-cancer-105115.html

HOWEVER, I am at a loss as to the relationship between the cause of DH's kidney failure 6 years ago and her son's disappearance or recovery. I actually refrained adding a comment about over-the-counter pain relievers earlier as this is a "list only" thread. I'm so confused.....:confused:

This is not directed at you, Tink, just bouncing off your post.

Peeps - This is a NO DISCUSSION thread. If you want to talk about medicines and kidney failure, please create a thread in the Jury Room.

Let's get back to the topic of what ONE piece of information do you wish you knew ?***LIST ONLY***
 
I'd like to know why Desiree is so convinced that Kyron is being held-other than the obvious reason, i.e. that she has to. And why, despite her apparent disdain/disgust with Terri, she feels so certain that he will be returned if Terri is the one behind this.
 

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