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hambirg said:
That's not an out and out lie. They most likely didn't get a tip or a lead for that, meaning, no citizen called in and said, "I saw somebody throwing something in the pond behind Festival Foods." It was a geographical search based on the new information they had learned.

It's clear that before Oct15th, LE was operating under the assumption that Jersey could be the suspect. But once he was in custody, that seems to have stopped. Two days later they went into the house with a cadaver dog. Two days after that they executed the SW. LE is operating under some different assumptions after Jersey was questioned. It's obvious.

So yes, they went back and looked at the parent's movements. They searched an area geographically that might be an area to dispose of BL based on where the parents had traveled. The fact that DB traveled to Festival Foods before 6:40pm, leads me to logically assume, at that point, on Oct 27th, LE was not confident in the timeline they were given by the parents.
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BBM. This discussion about the pond search and the Festival Foods video reminded me of this interview with SY I have been meaning to post. I'm not sure where else to put it, so I'm using your post as a jumping off point. Just food for thought:

[ame]http://video.foxnews.com/v/1213082996001/abandoned-well-searched-for-baby-lisa[/ame]

MK: Tell us about this new report that in the home of Deborah Bradley, who is the mother of little Lisa Irwin, police found a receipt that led them to the Festival Foods store, and identified some surveillance tape showing DB on the night in question, uh, doing what? Tell us about what happened there.

SY: Well, as much as I've tried not to talk about details of the case, I am going to address this one mostly on the request of the store so they can get back to normal, as you might imagine, since it broke, they've been a little inundated with media. But, um, clearly there was some evidence or rather, some video surveillance of the mother in the store with somebody else, and the detectives wanted me to pass along that everything has checked out, it's not information that is going to break the case, it shows that she was at the store at that time, but beyond that- it- there's really no drama or scandal or anything that requires further pursuit.

MK: They say an unidentified man. Does that mean it's someone other than her husband?

SY: Well, I can tell you that we know who the person is and they assured me that there is no drama around it and it's not going to help the case whatsoever. And so, in that regard I'll address it.

MK: Let's just put it to rest then. Is there a theory being investigated by police that this mother was with some other man drinking wine, in any way, that that was in any way connected to this disappearance of this baby?

SY: Well, I can't speculate on what the detectives might be using as a theory, but clearly, according to video, she was in the store with another person, it was a man, I don't know who it is, but they assure me it's not important and it's not going to further the case at all. It just shows that she was there, nothing more.

MK: Had the mother revealed that to police prior to this?

SY: I don't know.
 
This was before she admitted to Peter Alexander she was drunk and the timeline changed.

askfornina said:
BBM. This discussion about the pond search and the Festival Foods video reminded me of this interview with SY I have been meaning to post. I'm not sure where else to put it, so I'm using your post as a jumping off point. Just food for thought:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1213082996001/abandoned-well-searched-for-baby-lisa

MK: Tell us about this new report that in the home of Deborah Bradley, who is the mother of little Lisa Irwin, police found a receipt that led them to the Festival Foods store, and identified some surveillance tape showing DB on the night in question, uh, doing what? Tell us about what happened there.

SY: Well, as much as I've tried not to talk about details of the case, I am going to address this one mostly on the request of the store so they can get back to normal, as you might imagine, since it broke, they've been a little inundated with media. But, um, clearly there was some evidence or rather, some video surveillance of the mother in the store with somebody else, and the detectives wanted me to pass along that everything has checked out, it's not information that is going to break the case, it shows that she was at the store at that time, but beyond that- it- there's really no drama or scandal or anything that requires further pursuit.

MK: They say an unidentified man. Does that mean it's someone other than her husband?

SY: Well, I can tell you that we know who the person is and they assured me that there is no drama around it and it's not going to help the case whatsoever. And so, in that regard I'll address it.

MK: Let's just put it to rest then. Is there a theory being investigated by police that this mother was with some other man drinking wine, in any way, that that was in any way connected to this disappearance of this baby?

SY: Well, I can't speculate on what the detectives might be using as a theory, but clearly, according to video, she was in the store with another person, it was a man, I don't know who it is, but they assure me it's not important and it's not going to further the case at all. It just shows that she was there, nothing more.

MK: Had the mother revealed that to police prior to this?

SY: I don't know.
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cityslick said:
A conversation? I thought he yelled out something but it wasn't back and forth conversation.
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Months after the supposed sighting MT said in the interview he yelled to the man (that was not in initial interviews).
 
psychomarz said:
I made the statement that someone WAS picked up out of a lineup because I read it on news dot gather dot com. It was not my personal recollection.
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I think you are referring to a photo or photo line up; would that be correct?
 
From what little we've heard, the baby could have been in her crib from as early as 4:30 - 5:00 that evening. Based on photographs I've seen of Baby Lisa over her short lifetime, some of the photos appear to show the baby under the influence of narcotics...milky colored eyes, pinpoint pupils. If my suspicion is correct, and Deborah didn't check on her for hours, the baby could have been in rigor when her mom finally did check on her.
 
OEJ said:
Based on photographs I've seen of Baby Lisa over her short lifetime, some of the photos appear to show the baby under the influence of narcotics...milky colored eyes, pinpoint pupils. If my suspicion is correct, and Deborah didn't check on her for hours, the baby could have been in rigor when her mom finally did check on her.
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interesting! can you link the photos? (if they are MSM provided)

jumping far off your post, do we know if lisa was considered a "normal" baby both mentally and physically? has anyone heard anything regarding this?
 
OEJ said:
From what little we've heard, the baby could have been in her crib from as early as 4:30 - 5:00 that evening. Based on photographs I've seen of Baby Lisa over her short lifetime, some of the photos appear to show the baby under the influence of narcotics...milky colored eyes, pinpoint pupils. If my suspicion is correct, and Deborah didn't check on her for hours, the baby could have been in rigor when her mom finally did check on her.
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This idea is so far out there, I really don't know how to respond.
 
Meri said:
This idea is so far out there, I really don't know how to respond.
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With all due respect, no idea is too "out there" for us here! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of what could have happened in ANY case we sleuth...maybe they should have added an IMO though.

IMO :)
 
rachelle said:
With all due respect, no idea is too "out there" for us here! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of what could have happened in ANY case we sleuth...maybe they should have added an IMO though.

IMO :)
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I just think something like this being said, especially here, does nothing more than create rumors that are completely unfounded.
 
Meri said:
I just think something like this being said, especially here, does nothing more than create rumors that are completely unfounded.
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IMO

But again, we sleuth cases here and try to get to the bottom of things. The poster probably should have stated that it was her OPINION based on her looking at the photos that Baby Lisa appeared to be drugged. I don't agree with your statement that it might create unfounded rumors. That is why a lot of posters usually start or end their posts with some form of IMO (in my opinion) Heck, it might even be a rule here, I don't really know :confused: I don't think we EVER want to discourage someone from posting their opinion about a case....how ever off-the-wall, ridiculous, or "out there" someone's opinion may be, it just might be able to help solve a case someday!

Again, I really mean no disrespect towards you, I just don't want people to think they can't come here and give their own :twocents: about any case. :)
 
For more recent posters...the last time that anyone actually SAW Lisa was Sunday night, at the birthday party. We have not heard from anyone that has admitted to seeing her Monday at all except for the neighbor that was drinking with Lisa and her 4 year old daughter. I believe that she might have thought she saw Lisa in her crib and the 4 year old can be completely discounted because she is 4 and 4 year olds have no reference of time. Lisa could have died as early as late Sunday night. Parents would have had all day Monday to dispose of her and set up the kidnapping story.
 
Meri said:
This idea is so far out there, I really don't know how to respond.
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Then you should read this.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/07/22/drugged.children.parenting/index.html

If the kids become too much to handle, slip 'em a little cold medicine. It's an often-repeated joke -- or advice -- that parents share on the playground or on Twitter and Facebook pages. . .

But drugging children with over-the-counter or prescription medications can have unintended consequences, said the author of a research published Thursday, who likened the practice to child abuse.

The research, published in the Journal of Pediatrics, found an average 160 annual cases in which pharmaceutical drugs were maliciously used on children. . . .

Smokler has discussed using Benadryl on kids with her friends and said it could be seen as a way to have "me time" to relax, read a book or have a quiet dinner.

BBM because I found that part chilling.
 
Addressing my above post...When I said the photos "appear" to show influence of narcotics, I assumed this would be understood as my impression. Not a fact. However, to clarify, that was my own opinion. I'll find the photos I'm talking about later.
 
hambirg said:
Then you should read this.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/07/22/drugged.children.parenting/index.html

If the kids become too much to handle, slip 'em a little cold medicine. It's an often-repeated joke -- or advice -- that parents share on the playground or on Twitter and Facebook pages. . .

But drugging children with over-the-counter or prescription medications can have unintended consequences, said the author of a research published Thursday, who likened the practice to child abuse.

The research, published in the Journal of Pediatrics, found an average 160 annual cases in which pharmaceutical drugs were maliciously used on children. . . .

Smokler has discussed using Benadryl on kids with her friends and said it could be seen as a way to have "me time" to relax, read a book or have a quiet dinner.

BBM because I found that part chilling.
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I am aware there have been many "Mother's Little Helpers" over time. But, since there is absolutely no evidence that it happened to Baby Lisa - well, people can bring up all kinds of literature on all kinds of abuse...doesn't mean it was happening to this baby.
 
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