When was the last time Lisa was seen alive

[dog.gone.cute]

They read many places now as they are tuned into social media as a networking tool.

:seeya: Ah ... yes they do, and they read at these "other places" for different reasons ...

When I want good info or an update on a case, I check in and read here first !

I can't count the number of times over the past year that when there was "breaking news" on a case, I came here to WS first to see what the latest update was, where to watch, etc.

:great: And many times WS is way ahead of the MSM !

:great:

JMO and MOO ...

 

[melissasmom]

Thanks for taking the time to explain exactly what you meant. I still don't get why their credibility is in question though, and especially only if JI was at work and is proven beyond 100%. As I said before, they either saw something or they didn't no matter where JI was. I do get that eye witness accounts aren't always dead on, but I also know they reported it early. As for 15 mins of fame, if thats what they wanted the husbanded would have got his face in front of the camera as well since anyone who knows her would know who he is. I personally think having two witnesses seeing a man carrying a baby about midnight, fron two different angles, adds credibility that someone, a male, had baby Lisa at that time. JMHO

BBM

Yes, I don't really understand this. Or maybe I am still confused even after your explanation. If JI WAS 100% verified to be at work until 3:30 am or so, then this sighting is not credible, BUT if he cannot be verified as being at work the whole time, then the sighting IS credible? So it is either JI was seen carrying Lisa at 12:15 am by these neighbors or NOBODY was seen carrying a baby? I guess I just don't see the logic there. JMO, and like I said maybe I am still misunderstanding this theory. If so, my apologies.

 

[hambirg]

The thing you need to remember is that she changed her time to the media. Do you know exactly when she told LE about the different time?

As we heard from locals (InDaMiddle and Deann), certain events happened earlier (for example, when the metal detectors came out) then when the media reported it. But yet some are going by the media report as when it actually happened. Also, there seems to be an ongoing assumption that if certain things were not reported by the media, it didn't happen when again I don't think that's necessarily true.

No. Is there evidence that she told them earlier?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Is there any evidence of that at all? Did we hear anything prior to Oct 17th that we could use to show that Db was saying she couldn't remember what time she last saw Lisa?

By the same token I could ask if there is anything that suggests that DB didn't tell LE at any of the interrogations that she is 100% sure she checked on Lisa at 10:30. I do know that most MSM releases unless live coverage at behind. For an example LE went to the FF to see the video tapes 2 days before we saw them.

 

[hambirg]

By the same token I could ask if there is anything that suggests that DB didn't tell LE at any of the interrogations that she is 100% sure she checked on Lisa at 10:30. I do know that most MSM releases unless live coverage at behind. For an example LE went to the FF to see the video tapes 2 days before we saw them.

Well, as of Oct.9th this is the flyer that was being distributed:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.poste...159645&Signature=lvzYjZZXmJtjahHJTmITqh2fICs=
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150960&page=9

It states that Lisa'a mother put her down to sleep at approximately 10:30pm

Regarding Festival Foods, according to the timeline here, it was reported on the 11th that LE was at Festival Foods investigating on Oct. 10th. The story didn't break until the 12th.

ETA- Here is another article from Oct 14th. It still states the last seen at 10:30pm story.
http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/127402/missing_baby_lisa_irwins_parents

Here's another one dated October 16th. Notice it says in the caption under the video. . .Lisa Irwin was last seen around 10:30 p.m. Monday, Oct. 3, 2011, when her mother put her to bed
http://abcnews.go.com/US/baby-lisa-...d-joins-search/story?id=14747202#.T1fmKYcXA6I

 

[cityslick]

No. Is there evidence that she told them earlier?

No, would there be?

 

[annalia]

No. Is there evidence that she told them earlier?

I don't have a link but I recall after DB changed the time there was a comment from LE saying that they now have to work with a new timeline. It sounded like they heard it at the same time everyone else did.

 

[psychomarz]

A man was picked out of a lineup and identified as the man allegedly carrying the baby. It was first reported on November 6, 2011. I'm sorry, my membership won't let me post the website where I found that, but I do have it on my blogspot account (hellhounds4marz) if you're interested.

 

[norest4thewicked]

A man was picked out of a lineup and identified as the man allegedly carrying the baby. It was first reported on November 6, 2011. I'm sorry, my membership won't let me post the website where I found that, but I do have it on my blogspot account (hellhounds4marz) if you're interested.

I believe that person was J. Brando, husband of the neighbor. It was reported that LE had moved past Brando as being involved in Lisa's disappearance.

 

[iamnotagolem]

J. Brando was id'd by MT (the 4am sighting), not by the neighbors who saw a man with a baby around midnight.

 

[norest4thewicked]

The lineup though was given to MT and he is the one who picked out Brando. Not that it matters, but I don't believe that sighting.

 

[psychomarz]

The lineup though was given to MT and he is the one who picked out Brando. Not that it matters, but I don't believe that sighting.

Oh good-- I never caught the name of who the man was. I just knew that if the lead was identified so long ago, they'd obviously moved past it, otherwise he would have been arrested.
As for the sighting in general, frankly I don't believe it either. I mean, seeing someone walking around with a half naked baby is suspicious enough, but as soon as you hear that your neighbor's baby is missing, don't you think you'd run over there to tell the cops what you saw? They may have seen a man walking, but I highly doubt he had a baby in tow.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Oh good-- I never caught the name of who the man was. I just knew that if the lead was identified so long ago, they'd obviously moved past it, otherwise he would have been arrested.
As for the sighting in general, frankly I don't believe it either. I mean, seeing someone walking around with a half naked baby is suspicious enough, but as soon as you hear that your neighbor's baby is missing, don't you think you'd run over there to tell the cops what you saw? They may have seen a man walking, but I highly doubt he had a baby in tow.

Yes, I personally believe that both of the sightings have been resolved by LE. I think that the first sighting by the husband and wife were identified by LE as someone that came forward to them and they have moved past this.

The sighting of the white blob I also feel was identified by police by someone who came forward. Besides that, I never thought the white blob was carrying anything anyway.

The sighting by Mike Thompson I completely discount. I think that he came forward for his 15 minutes of fame after he heard this on the radio and I feel that it was discounted by LE too.

This is just my personal thoughts on the "sightings".

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Oh good-- I never caught the name of who the man was. I just knew that if the lead was identified so long ago, they'd obviously moved past it, otherwise he would have been arrested.
As for the sighting in general, frankly I don't believe it either. I mean, seeing someone walking around with a half naked baby is suspicious enough, but as soon as you hear that your neighbor's baby is missing, don't you think you'd run over there to tell the cops what you saw? They may have seen a man walking, but I highly doubt he had a baby in tow.

MT was not JI & DB's neighbour, and he was staying at a friend's or relative's home that week. i'm not sure when he contacted LE only when it was leaked to MSM.

 

[vlpate]

A man was picked out of a lineup and identified as the man allegedly carrying the baby. It was first reported on November 6, 2011. I'm sorry, my membership won't let me post the website where I found that, but I do have it on my blogspot account (hellhounds4marz) if you're interested.

No one was picked out of a lineup. Gil Abeyta showed Thompson a picture of Brando and, according to reports, Thomson ID'd Brando. Cindy Short accompanied Thompson to KCPD where he was shown several pictures, and again, picked out Brando.

Here's the problem with this- LE has never said who, if anyone MT pointed out. Cindy Short has never said it, why not? The attorneys are saying these three sightings are credible and all describe the same man with a baby. We know that's not true, MT and the neighbor Lisa described two different people - if that's the case, why are Tacopina and Wild Bill still spinning the two are related?

The other glaring problem is MT embellishes his story with every telling. He started out saying he saw a man with a baby and the baby was only wearing a diaper. He said nothing to him and didn't indicate the man had seen him. Later MT dresses the baby in a t-shirt. Later, the baby is wearing a t-shirt, sitting upright in the man's arms and "alert". MT says something to the man and the man nods.

If MT picked Brando out of a lineup, Wild Bill should be all over it. He's not all over it. In fact, Brando is living next door to the Irwin's again. LE would surely intervene if they thought Brando had anything to do with abducted a baby from his neighbors.

 

[vlpate]

MT was not JI & DB's neighbour, and he was staying at a friend's or relative's home that week. i'm not sure when he contacted LE only when it was leaked to MSM.

I think the poster is referring to Lisa, the neighbor. MT was not staying with anyone, he was visiting a relative/friend after work. He contacted LE about a week later, IIRC.

I thought it was funny when a reporter asked MT how big the baby was that had suddenly started sitting upright in the unidentified man's arms. He hesitated for a moment and said, "about the size of that missing baby". lol - His fish just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I think the poster is referring to Lisa, the neighbor. MT was not staying with anyone, he was visiting a relative/friend after work. He contacted LE about a week later, IIRC.

I thought it was funny when a reporter asked MT how big the baby was that had suddenly started sitting upright in the unidentified man's arms. He hesitated for a moment and said, "about the size of that missing baby". lol - His fish just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

BBM: If they are referring to the neighbour named Lisa, they did contact LE right away.

IIRC MT said he was staying with a friend b/c of the distance to work, but I'll see if I can find the link to make sure.

 

[vlpate]

Yes, I personally believe that both of the sightings have been resolved by LE. I think that the first sighting by the husband and wife were identified by LE as someone that came forward to them and they have moved past this.

The sighting of the white blob I also feel was identified by police by someone who came forward. Besides that, I never thought the white blob was carrying anything anyway.

The sighting by Mike Thompson I completely discount. I think that he came forward for his 15 minutes of fame after he heard this on the radio and I feel that it was discounted by LE too.

This is just my personal thoughts on the "sightings".

I think, with all due respect, Mr. Abeyta was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. IMO

 

[vlpate]

BBM: If they are referring to the neighbour named Lisa, they did contact LE right away.

IIRC MT said he was staying with a friend b/c of the distance to work, but I'll see if I can find the link to make sure.

The neighbor called right away. I think MT contacted them up to two weeks later, but not positive - would have to look again.

ETA: ABC News has EXCLUSIVELY learned (rather off-putting) about these three sightings

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...smell-deceased/story?id=14786129#.T1pwooHOVEI
"A few hours earlier, a couple living three houses down from the Irwin family said they saw a similar sight. A woman and her husband said they saw a man in a t-shirt carrying a baby. They thought the situation was so unusual that they reported it to police on the morning of Oct. 4."

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

On Thursday evening, HLN’s Nancy Grace said it is not unusual for witnesses to come forward some time after an incident occurred. Thompson lives nearly 100 miles from Kansas City and was not aware that Baby Lisa was missing when he saw the man and the baby. As news reports emerged Thompson remembered that he’d seen the man with the baby and discussed what he saw with his cousin who urged him to call police.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...vely-identifies-man-with-salt-and-pepper-hair

My monitor screen is jumpy today so I hope I got the right link.