Where are the 2 LITTLE GIRLS seen with PG?

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How about the San Francisco Gate?:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA4N19EJ35.DTL&tsp=1


Erika Pratt, 25, who stayed next door two years ago, said she was continuously "freaked out" by Garrido's behavior and that when she popped her head over the fence she saw his secret compound. There were tents, sheds and pit bulls, she said, and water hoses leading from her house next door.
'They never talked'

"He had little girls and women living in that backyard, and they all looked kind of the same," Pratt said. "They never talked, and they kept to themselves."

Pratt said people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about 4 years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blond, she said.

Pratt said she had called Contra Costa County sheriff's deputies to investigate, but that officers "told me they couldn't go inside because they didn't have a warrant. So they just told him they'd keep an eye on him."

Information on the source of the article, found at the bottom of the page:

Chronicle staff writers Matthew Yi and Matthew B. Stannard contributed to this report. E-mail the writers at dbulwa@sfchronicle.com, jvanderbeken@sfchronicle.com, hlee@sfchronicle.com and kfagan@sfchronicle.com.

This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle


Women, not a woman. Did Nancy live in back too? Is that an error by the reporter or is that what she said "women"?
 
Perhaps because the oldest daughter is so tall she mistook her for a grown woman?



It could have been the younger childrens Mother also. If someone emulated pg they could have kept someone the same way pg did.
 
It could have been the younger childrens Mother also. If someone emulated pg they could have kept someone the same way pg did.

is it just me or is nothing being done by any law enforcement agencies about possible other missing children?
i have not been able to get in contact with my LE contact either.
sigh
 
I went through this thread as well as google and have tried to make a cleaned up list of sightings of the two little girls. It goes like this:
#) URL to source(s)
Person's name, relationship to the Garridos, and the date of the sighting if available. Relevant quote.

Sightings that seem like they could possibly be the two girls, but not for certain, as well as ones from less reliable sources are listed further down as "Possible Sightings".

Feel free to add or correct.

Sightings:
1) http://www.contracostatimes.com/search/ci_13223494?IADID

Patrick McQuaid, Neighbor, Summer 2009: “The next time he saw children near the Garrido house was this summer, when he saw two young girls riding in Garrido's car. Though the two children Dugard allegedly bore with Garrido are 15 and 11, McQuaid said the children he saw in Garrido's car looked younger — closer to 8 and 10 years old. He took note of it, he said, because he knew Garrido was a registered sex offender. “


2) http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleVie...en with Alleged Jaycee Kidnapper/Default.aspx

Wayne Thompson, Former Barber, No Date: “"He just came in for his haircut and he had two other little girls with him," Wayne Thompson told KRON 4's Maureen Kelly. "I would say maybe around six or seven years old, maybe a little younger. I don't know who they were. I thought they were neices or something like that.” Thompson has seen Starlit and Angel also, and is certain these children are not them.


3) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...apper-linked-murders-prostitutes-girl-15.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/28/BAT219F97H.DTL


http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infom...n&feed:c=localnews&feed:i=48929843&nopaging=1


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/jaycee-lee-dugard-kidnap-suspect-garrido-speaks

Erika Pratt, Neighbor, Called 911 Nov. 30 2006: “They had just moved into their house, Robinson said, when Pratt called him at work one day. She had been showing their new home to a girlfriend, he said, when they peered into Garrido's yard. Pratt "told me, 'They've got tents. There are people living back there. Little girls,' " Robinson recounted.”
and
“Pratt said that people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about four years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.”


Possible Sightings:
1) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/jaycee-lee-dugard-kidnap-suspect-garrido-speaks

Tim Allen, Customer, No Date: “Three times in recent years, Garrido arrived at Allen's showroom with two "cute little blonde girls" in tow, he told KCRA 3.”


2) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

Steve Conteras, Customer, April/May 2009. “Three or four months ago, Conteras said Garrido brought one of the girls with him. "When we discussed the cards, she was playing by herself with an imaginary friend. Now I know she was 11. She acted like she was six or seven."”


3) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

Anna Rivera, Neighbor, No date but article states she is a "newer resident": “"I did see two little blond girls. I thought they were his granddaughters.”


4) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

Dale and Polly White, Neighbors, No Date: “During past summers, he had heard laughter and splashing. "You could tell it was more than one girl and an adult female."”


5) http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/67369

Unnamed Source, No Date: “"One of the girls had long blonde hair and appeared to be about 7 years old. The other girl had dirty blonde or light brunette hair and was around 6 years old," the source said.”


6) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-09-garrido-bones_N.htm?csp=34

Unnamed Source, No Date: “Lee said investigators are looking into reports that Phillip Garrido was seen before his arrest with two young girls who were not the daughters he fathered with Dugard.”
 
I think we need a thread just for these important posts, so we don't loose them. Anthroamy?
 
Per my2sister's request, I've started a new thread to keep track of these important names and dates. Please post links to other sightings and I will try to update this periodically. Thanks 2sisters for the suggestion.
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I went through this thread as well as google and have tried to make a cleaned up list of sightings of the two little girls. It goes like this:
#) URL to source(s)
Person's name, relationship to the Garridos, and the date of the sighting if available. Relevant quote.

Sightings that seem like they could possibly be the two girls, but not for certain, as well as ones from less reliable sources are listed further down as "Possible Sightings".

Feel free to add or correct.

Sightings:
1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...apper-linked-murders-prostitutes-girl-15.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/28/BAT219F97H.DTL


http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infom...n&feed:c=localnews&feed:i=48929843&nopaging=1


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/jaycee-lee-dugard-kidnap-suspect-garrido-speaks

Erika Pratt, Neighbor, Called 911 Nov. 30 2006: “They had just moved into their house, Robinson said, when Pratt called him at work one day. She had been showing their new home to a girlfriend, he said, when they peered into Garrido's yard. Pratt "told me, 'They've got tents. There are people living back there. Little girls,' " Robinson recounted.”
and
“Pratt said that people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about four years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.”


2) http://www.contracostatimes.com/search/ci_13223494?IADID

Patrick McQuaid, Neighbor, Summer 2009: “The next time he saw children near the Garrido house was this summer, when he saw two young girls riding in Garrido's car. Though the two children Dugard allegedly bore with Garrido are 15 and 11, McQuaid said the children he saw in Garrido's car looked younger — closer to 8 and 10 years old. He took note of it, he said, because he knew Garrido was a registered sex offender. “


3) http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleVie...en with Alleged Jaycee Kidnapper/Default.aspx

Wayne Thompson, Former Barber, No Date: “"He just came in for his haircut and he had two other little girls with him," Wayne Thompson told KRON 4's Maureen Kelly. "I would say maybe around six or seven years old, maybe a little younger. I don't know who they were. I thought they were neices or something like that.” Thompson has seen Starlit and Angel also, and is certain these children are not them.


Possible Sightings:
1) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

Steve Conteras, Customer, April/May 2009. “Three or four months ago, Conteras said Garrido brought one of the girls with him. "When we discussed the cards, she was playing by herself with an imaginary friend. Now I know she was 11. She acted like she was six or seven."”


2)http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/jaycee-lee-dugard-kidnap-suspect-garrido-speaks

Tim Allen, Customer, No Date: “Three times in recent years, Garrido arrived at Allen's showroom with two "cute little blonde girls" in tow, he told KCRA 3.”


3) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

Anna Rivera, Neighbor, No date but article states she is a "newer resident": “"I did see two little blond girls. I thought they were his granddaughters.”


4) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829...-but-took-comfort-in-visits-by-parole-officer

Dale and Polly White, Neighbors, No Date: “During past summers, he had heard laughter and splashing. "You could tell it was more than one girl and an adult female."”


5) http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/67369

Unnamed Source, No Date: “"One of the girls had long blonde hair and appeared to be about 7 years old. The other girl had dirty blonde or light brunette hair and was around 6 years old," the source said.”


6) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-09-garrido-bones_N.htm?csp=34

Unnamed Source, No Date: “Lee said investigators are looking into reports that Phillip Garrido was seen before his arrest with two young girls who were not the daughters he fathered with Dugard.”


7) http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13231478

Haight Man, People's Park Resident, No Date: "A while back, Molino said he sold Garrido a reddish Volkswagen. Garrido would drive the wagon to People's Park in Berkeley, said homeless men who camp there. "He seemed kind of hyper. He would rush around, passing out bottles of water and sometimes homemade sandwiches. He was always in a hurry," said one of the older, bearded campers, who identified himself only as "The Hate Man." "He'd have the kids every now and then tagging along behind.""
 
I think we need a thread just for these important posts, so we don't loose them. Anthroamy?

Done:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90996"]Sightings of the Two Little Girls Seen with Phillip Garrido - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Thanks for the suggestion!
 
update




wine color is for the 2 little girls
green color is sigtings of "the girls"

1-dale and polly white - the neighbor who saw the children over the fence stated there were 5 girls of varying ages from 4 to adult age in 2006.
http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829/news/908290346/1321/news
lady who lives in back - of the property saw one little girl who she spoke to and who ran away without talking. She has a disabled husband who works in the yard and never heard screams etc.
Here is the quote from the same article as i posted a link to above:
The whites, residents here for 30 years, share a backyard fence with the garrido family. Only this week did they learn about what went on behind that eight-foot-tall wooden fence."we were shell shocked," polly white said.

"several neighbors said they had seen the girls and knew they didn't go to school. Some believed they were home-schooled."

2- damon robinson[/u] lives next-door to the garrido home on walnut avenue. A ladyfriend of his, he said, called the sheriff's office to report young girls living in the backyard and men being back there.
In 2006, a deputy came and investigated. But nothing came of it.

robinson said.
He would occasionally see the girls in the back yard. They wouldn't speak to him but would stand and
look at him. "sometimes i would wave. They would stare at me. They would wave if he ok'd it,"
damon robinson saw all the girls & thought it was just fine.

3-erika pratt (damons girlfriend) saw 5 girls in 2006.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/28/bat219f97h.dtl
pratt, 25, told the chronicle on thursday that she had seen "little girls and women" living in garrido's backyard, but that when sheriff's deputies came out to the paroled sex offender's home, they told her they couldn't go inside because they didn't have a warrant.

Pratt said garrido had told her boyfriend that "he was a sex addict."
an unidentified deputy sent out to the house on walnut avenue stayed for half an hour, deemed the situation to be a potential code violation and concluded that "there was not any criminal misbehavior," rupf said.
The deputy did not ask to see the backyard. He left after warning garrido that no one should be living outside in a residential neighborhood, rupf said.

4- wayne thompson - hair cutter
http://www.kron4.com/news/articlevi...en with alleged jaycee kidnapper/default.aspx

5- patrick mcquaid - 9 year old boy /now 27 saw 2 little girls in garridos car 6 months before his arrest
http://www.allbusiness.com/crime-la...ions/criminal-offenses-crimes/12777887-1.html

6- anna rivera moved in to the neighbourhood recently & now wants to leave.
Saw 2 little blond girls recently with him


7- cdt 8-30-09: According to a police spokesman, a number of years ago, phillip garrido had access to the next door neighbor's property, which was vacant at that time and had nothing to do with the current occupant, damon robinson. Years ago, garrido lived in a shed on the property now occupied by mr. Robinson, and now being searched. Mr. Robinson is not a suspect or a person of interest in anyway in the dugard-garrido case. Mr. Robinson offered his property to the police for investigation. Perhaps police are looking for the bodies of the missing prostitutes. The spokesman confirmed that cadaver dogs are on the property. 9:05 pm cdt: Geraldo is on this minute. A neighbor of the garrido's, haydee perry, is speaking. She has lived near garrido for a couple of months. He came to her house to help her charge her car battery. Jaycee's 11 year old daughter accompanied her father (phillip garrido). The young girl told ms. Perry that she had a sister, and they had some casual conversation about how she and her sister would fight every day but they always made up. Then she told perry that she also had a 28 year old sister. If this is true, jaycee's girls believed that jaycee their mother, was their older sister. haydee perry said she saw the 11 year old more frequently thann the 15 year-year-old, and that the girl seemed to stare vacantly much of the time.


bumped......
 
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13231478

A while back, Molino said he sold Garrido a reddish Volkswagen. Garrido would drive the wagon to People's Park in Berkeley, said homeless men who camp there.

"He seemed kind of hyper. He would rush around, passing out bottles of water and sometimes homemade sandwiches. He was always in a hurry," said one of the older, bearded campers, who identified himself only as "The Hate Man."

"He'd have the kids every now and then tagging along behind."
 
No Discussion=No Discussion

This is a reference thread for listing information.

Thanks
 
For some reason I can no longer edit post #1 to add sightings to it, so I'm reposting this to add the sighting in post #4.
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Sightings:
1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-girl-15.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAT219F97H.DTL


http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infomo...843&nopaging=1


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...garrido-speaks

Erika Pratt, Neighbor, Called 911 Nov. 30 2006: “They had just moved into their house, Robinson said, when Pratt called him at work one day. She had been showing their new home to a girlfriend, he said, when they peered into Garrido's yard. Pratt "told me, 'They've got tents. There are people living back there. Little girls,' " Robinson recounted.”
and
“Pratt said that people came and went from the property, but the core group consisted of two girls about four years old, one girl about 11, another girl about 15 and a young woman about 25. They were all blonde, she said.”


2) http://www.contracostatimes.com/sear...13223494?IADID

Patrick McQuaid, Neighbor, Summer 2009: “The next time he saw children near the Garrido house was this summer, when he saw two young girls riding in Garrido's car. Though the two children Dugard allegedly bore with Garrido are 15 and 11, McQuaid said the children he saw in Garrido's car looked younger — closer to 8 and 10 years old. He took note of it, he said, because he knew Garrido was a registered sex offender. “


3) http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView...r/Default.aspx

Wayne Thompson, Former Barber, No Date: “"He just came in for his haircut and he had two other little girls with him," Wayne Thompson told KRON 4's Maureen Kelly. "I would say maybe around six or seven years old, maybe a little younger. I don't know who they were. I thought they were neices or something like that.” Thompson has seen Starlit and Angel also, and is certain these children are not them.


Possible Sightings:
1) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829/...parole-officer

Steve Conteras, Customer, April/May 2009: “Three or four months ago, Conteras said Garrido brought one of the girls with him. "When we discussed the cards, she was playing by herself with an imaginary friend. Now I know she was 11. She acted like she was six or seven."”


2) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...garrido-speaks

Tim Allen, Customer, No Date: “Three times in recent years, Garrido arrived at Allen's showroom with two "cute little blonde girls" in tow, he told KCRA 3.”


3) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829/...parole-officer

Anna Rivera, Neighbor, No date but article states she is a "newer resident": “"I did see two little blond girls. I thought they were his granddaughters.”


4) http://www.rgj.com/article/20090829/...parole-officer

Dale and Polly White, Neighbors, No Date: “During past summers, he had heard laughter and splashing. "You could tell it was more than one girl and an adult female."”


5) http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/67369

Unnamed Source, No Date: “"One of the girls had long blonde hair and appeared to be about 7 years old. The other girl had dirty blonde or light brunette hair and was around 6 years old," the source said.”


6) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...s_N.htm?csp=34

Unnamed Source, No Date: “Lee said investigators are looking into reports that Phillip Garrido was seen before his arrest with two young girls who were not the daughters he fathered with Dugard.”


7) http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13231478

Haight Man, People's Park Resident, No Date: "A while back, Molino said he sold Garrido a reddish Volkswagen. Garrido would drive the wagon to People's Park in Berkeley, said homeless men who camp there. "He seemed kind of hyper. He would rush around, passing out bottles of water and sometimes homemade sandwiches. He was always in a hurry," said one of the older, bearded campers, who identified himself only as "The Hate Man." "He'd have the kids every now and then tagging along behind.""


8) http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/th...en-garrido-and-series-of-prostitute-killings/

Richard List, People's Park Resident, No Date: "“He came through People’s Park a number of times with homemade sandwiches and bottles of water,” said longtime street artist Richard List. “He hurried through, with two little girls with him. He talked of God and handed out his stuff to homeless people.”
 
http://www.news10.net/news/pdf/Garrido-parole-report2.pdf

From page 31:
According to records prepared by the
parole agent who supervised Garrido at that time, the parole agent went to Garrido’s residence on June 17, 2008, to perform a periodic face-to-face visit. Present at the house with Garrido was his wife, his mother, and a 12-year-old female. According to the parole agent’s notes, he questioned Garrido about the young girl. Garrido replied that the girl was his brother’s daughter.


Note: I realize 12 is too old to be one of the two young girls, but I would like to have this here for reference as it shows that Garrido was in the company of unidentified young girls.
 
Couldnt that been one of his daughters?

CindySue, just FYI this is a reference thread and not for discussion :)

However, as you and another WSer have pointed out, it is definitely possible that this girl could be Angel. Many of the "Possible Sightings" are probably Angel and Starlit. I re-watched the press conference, though, and the guys were very ambiguous about the 12 year old. They said that her identity at this time is unknown, so until we get a more concrete answer I'd like to have this here for reference.
 
bumping this thread up cause somehoow it slipped to the middle of page 2.
hopefully i will have so useful info soon.
 

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