Where Precisely Do You Think Caylee Died?

[Psmith]

Seems KC did have a corpse in the trunk of her car for about 3 days, not contained in any sort of leakproof bag etc. Seems she did eventually put it in a plastic gabage bag and dump it down the road.

M Poirot, cher.

The outer bag did break or leak, hence fluids.*

Also, there is no phone record from 17th, it was "supressed" by LE. That is where the action is.


BTW, this whole explantion about duct tape used to contain decomp body fluids / odors leaves me amazed. Let alone think again to deposit "heart" sticker. KC would not touch icky oozing body, rigor, tongue, sinkage, etc.


* how did the head become separated....?

 

[txsvicki]

I still believe an unconscious Caylee actually died in the trunk because, so far, that's where all the evidence was located and it fits with the computer search evidence.

 

[Psmith]

I still believe an unconscious Caylee actually died in the trunk because, so far, that's where all the evidence was located and it fits with the computer search evidence.

But we do not have pings OR computer recoreds or anything for 17. LE does. Just sayn. Cheers.

 

[Rumpole]

M Poirot, cher.

The outer bag did break or leak, hence fluids.*

Also, there is no phone record from 17th, it was "supressed" by LE. That is where the action is.


BTW, this whole explantion about duct tape used to contain decomp body fluids / odors leaves me amazed. Let alone think again to deposit "heart" sticker. KC would not touch icky oozing body, rigor, tongue, sinkage, etc.


* how did the head become separated....?

Ma petite Orange,
We have to have either a plastic bag that contains decomp (not leaking), or the final removal of the body from the trunk after about 3 days - to match forensics.
I am no aficionado, of the phone details. I rely on others. What do you know of these missing details? I have this very day changed most of what I was sure of yesterday, and 1:00 pm Tuesday 17th June 2008 is the time of death I have decided to certify. How does that fit in with this phone records conspiracy?
Head fell off because all the soft tissue gone. I don't have a problem with that?
Heart sticker is sick. Best explanation is just a silly immature "girly" thing to do?

 

[Psmith]

Ma petite Orange,
We have to have either a plastic bag that contains decomp (not leaking), or the final removal of the body from the trunk after about 3 days - to match forensics.
I am no aficionado, of the phone details. I rely on others. What do you know of these missing details? I have this very day changed most of what I was sure of yesterday, and 1:00 pm Tuesday 17th June 2008 is the time of death I have decided to certify. How does that fit in with this phone records conspiracy?
Head fell off because all the soft tissue gone. I don't have a problem with that?
Heart sticker is sick. Best explanation is just a silly immature "girly" thing to do?

Ma petite peche, the laundry bag is first, garbage second.

The quarrel fits in with records that KC did stay over. How, emotionally, after alledged fight would have stayed never figure, a person like her would have stormed out and left (kiddo in bag) suits 15-16 scenario. The records are there but...

I want to see 17 records, pings and all. What I am trying to say is that we have a blank for 17, therefore LE thinks is interesting

Je t'adore.

 

[Psmith]

Sticker? A mark a brand on child, then genius perp gets a tattoo of the good life?

Seriously deranged.

How to say goodbye? She did it to her daughter in a marked way. It is contempt.

I heart you, or not in this case. Just stop the bs. Alrighty. I do not heart you at all. Oh? No breath? Kiddo, it's a better world for you. Uh, mommy hearts you. ha ha. Wish could you could laughn too how unpleasant. (beep, beep, beep telphone). Chit, gotta go!

Whoa, cannot find snothead kid sitter. What to do? Movies with TonE, he does not want kids....hmmm.

In the same way that Hallmark cards replace genuine emotion or family or group efforts to grieve or celebrate. It is mockery

Oh, kiddo, here's a frigging heart sticker. Chit, decomp is soo gross.

It was mock-celebration.

 

[Rumpole]

Ma petite peche, the laundry bag is first, garbage second.

The quarrel fits in with records that KC did stay over. How, emotionally, after alledged fight would have stayed never figure, a person like her would have stormed out and left (kiddo in bag) suits 15-16 scenario. The records are there but...

I want to see 17 records, pings and all. What I am trying to say is that we have a blank for 17, therefore LE thinks is interesting

Je t'adore.

Ya got da bags right lady! Lots didn't.

Estimation of where Caylee died (Just to asuage the Off topic Police), depends on working some sort of scenario out. I was of the opinion that KC just "lost her rag" during afternoon of 16th after all the arguements etc night before, but forensics plus work done on calculations by the clever WSers requires body then dumped after 3 days, implying 19th and that is a day that evidence does not easily agree with KC in the dump area. Earlier dump days do not agree with Caylee known to be alive on 15th, so....... I have said, start with an asumption that body dumped after 1:00 pm on 20th and work backwards to get date and time of death!
Voila!! 1:00 pm, Tuesday 20th July

Je t'aime

 

[Rumpole]

And now getting to the point. If that is the date and time of death, then Caylee most likely died in trunk of KC's car, having been in there for close to a whole day. Probably bound and gaged and likely sedated. Died of dehydration or asphixia?

 

[Psmith]

Ma petite Orange,
We have to have either a plastic bag that contains decomp (not leaking), or the final removal of the body from the trunk after about 3 days - to match forensics.
I am no aficionado, of the phone details. I rely on others. What do you know of these missing details? I have this very day changed most of what I was sure of yesterday, and 1:00 pm Tuesday 17th June 2008 is the time of death I have decided to certify. How does that fit in with this phone records conspiracy?
Head fell off because all the soft tissue gone. I don't have a problem with that?
Heart sticker is sick. Best explanation is just a silly immature "girly" thing to do?

The double bag? Have you not heard of it? Canvas then outer. mmpf.

At least my hair order is correct in flippy girl do, per avatar, rather than Freudian misaprehension tout court. Orestes, challenged Oedipal. No reason to keep compensating, cher.

Yes, I am shallow and silly. Draws up plans for medieval library....yes, this would do. Make sure that M Poirot can not find his way in or out.

17 is going to kill the deal.

 

[Rumpole]

The double bag? Have you not heard of it? Canvas then outer. mmpf.

What is it with "bag" questions?

Sounds like we are in perfect agreement! Sounds like we always have been?
I was never in doubt that Caylee's body was with a Pooh blanket, in a laundry bag, which was in a black garbage bag!
Wow are we having our first tiff already?

What I would like to know is what colour draw sting that garbage bag has. It's not given in the docs and news reports that it is yellow are misreading the docs. They don't say.

 

[Rumpole]

What phone records are we missing for 17th. The phone ping boffins seem to have every thing mapped out. Know of locations of KC on 17th. Are we missing the text messages. I didn't bother downloading all that teenage messaging chatter. I rely on juicy gossip to be hailed!

 

[Psmith]

What is it with "bag" questions?

Sounds like we are in perfect agreement! Sounds like we always have been?
I was never in doubt that Caylee's body was with a Pooh blanket, in a laundry bag, which was in a black garbage bag!
Wow are we having our first tiff already?

What I would like to know is what colour draw sting that garbage bag has. It's not given in the docs and news reports that it is yellow are misreading the docs. They don't say.

We must quarrel, for true love ne'er ran straight path, etc etc. My thoughts are melancholy. The early bags have yellow handles, the later bags have red ones.. as I recall

Blanket was convenient, other stuff already there, per laundry or ordinary kid detritutus. Killing was going to happen sooner or later, then a rush. You really think she cares? Interview in August one week before Caylee's bday, she's close dad, she'll be home, Sobbing, poke, poke, get me out of here....wah.


We need more, including data 17 and, sorry for forensic detail, lip prints open or closed mouth on duct tape if available.



(Thinking Merchant of Venice, l. 1, Antonio: I am so sad and know not why...[approximate])

 

[Rumpole]

We must quarrel, for true love ne'er had straight path, etc etc. My thoughts are melancholy. The early bags have yellow handles, the later bags have red ones..

Blanket was convenient, other stuff already there, per laundy or ordinary kid detritutus. Killing was going to happen sooner or later, then a rush. You really think she cares? Interview in August one week before Caylee's bday, she's close dad, she'll be home, Sobbing, poke, poke, get me out of here....wah.



Sorry. We need more, including data 17 and, sorry, lip prints on duct tape if available.

Do not despair. garbage bag investigation proceeds a'pace.

LE have the bag that Crazy Cindy provided when she was being "helpful" and washing and sorting evidence for them. In the process of this blatant cover up she may have provided the vital piece of evidence that convicts the monster. Not the pieces of evidence she tried to sanitize and hide, but the very plastic bag she unthinkingly provided just to transport that evidence. A genuine "old" Anthony garbage bag with YELLOW ties. This is the evidence discussed in the document dump recently, but refers to this evidence collected 16th July. It is reported, but not yet confirmed despite what people and reporters think, that the bag in the swamp also has yellow handles and may well match Cindy's folly bag. It almost certainly will not match the "new" red handled bags, but Cindy has provided a bag from the past. If there is a match, then KC guilty.

Samples of KC lip and teeth prints are many and readily available. Politeness forbids that I suggest where to look.

 

[Psmith]

Do not despair. garbage bag investigation proceeds a'pace.

LE have the bag that Crazy Cindy provided when she was being "helpful" and washing and sorting evidence for them. In the process of this blatant cover up she may have provided the vital piece of evidence that convicts the monster. Not the pieces of evidence she tried to sanitize and hide, but the very plastic bag she unthinkingly provided just to transport that evidence. A genuine "old" Anthony garbage bag with YELLOW ties. This is the evidence discussed in the document dump recently, but refers to this evidence collected 16th July. It is reported, but not yet confirmed despite what people and reporters think, that the bag in the swamp also has yellow handles and may well match Cindy's folly bag. It almost certainly will not match the "new" red handled bags, but Cindy has provided a bag from the past. If there is a match, then KC guilty.

Samples of KC lip and teeth prints are many and readily available. Politeness forbids that I suggest where to look.

Hah. I did mean the victim's prints per open and close mouth on sticky side of tape. Those matter, too.

Horrifying if there. (will pm with comment in a sec)

 

[Annie]

I think she gave Caylee medication to keep her quiet and put a piece of tape over her mouth so she couldn't be heard if she woke up while Mom partied. It was June and hot. Caylee may have vomited and aspirated the material into her lungs as there was no way for it to get out. Or it could have just been the summer heat that killed her in the car. Children die in hot cars several times a year because parents "forget" them. I don't think this was a case of forgetting but was done deliberately. Poor sweet baby! So many people would have wanted her and loved her, but she had a mother who didn't.

 

[passionflower]

I have been thinking about everything in the laundry bag.......heart sticker on tape......everything that would be in Caylee's bedroom, even the knife from the kitchen. IMO, kc murdered CAYLEE right in her own room, packaged her up, snuck to the back yard, hid her there til morning and put her in the trunk of car. A soft kill, maybe Caylee was already asleep. (hopefully)
But I truely think Caylee told CA something that started the fight and the duct tape and sticker means 'shut up forever'........
I think kc thought about this for a long time, but did it that night out of rage.
GA/CA were so used to fighting (took a chill pill and went to bed) They heard kc but figured kc was packing up to leave for a couple days and leave CAYLEE behind.
When all was silent, CA/GA thought everyone was ok. When they woke up kc and CAYLEE were gone. MOO

 

[Lexington]

What phone records are we missing for 17th. The phone ping boffins seem to have every thing mapped out. Know of locations of KC on 17th. Are we missing the text messages. I didn't bother downloading all that teenage messaging chatter. I rely on juicy gossip to be hailed!

I didn't follow the phone or text records closely, but I do remember that there was a day that TonE didn't go to Full Sail and spent the day with KC instead. Since she was with her "prize", no need to talk to anyone else. Maybe the 17th?

 

[Rumpole]

I didn't follow the phone or text records closely, but I do remember that there was a day that TonE didn't go to Full Sail and spent the day with KC instead. Since she was with her "prize", no need to talk to anyone else. Maybe the 17th?

That makes sense.

 

[suzet]

I was originally thinking Casey's room, the bathroom, and the car, but something I read here, from Bond, I think, (I will find this info and edit post) is making me wonder about Lee's apartment. I am wondering when, in June, Lee was out of town. I also wondered if he had a roommate around the time Caylee was murdered, but I asked that on the questions and answers thread. One clue I was using for the heck of it, was noticing Lee did not leave any feedback for anyone on a well known auction site from June 12 until June 21. And then again, no feedback left by Lee from June 21 until July 5. Sure this doesn't prove anything, but it's helpful to just suppose.

Did KC have a key to Lee's apartment? It has already been established that Lee shops on that auction site quite a bit, so if he didn't have a roommate to collect his mail/packages daily, he sure doesn't want his auction purchases left somewhere where another tenant could steal them, so perhaps KC had a key (could this be the key that Lee said he destroyed?) and told him she'd take his packages in anytime he was away (Lee, knowing KC prefers to steal cash, not the small, collectible figures he is interested in). I know I am not being specific in how I think it happened, but I am so very curious about Lee's apartment (he has since moved out of).

Also, I am feeling *in my gut* that the dirt road near where the remains were found, that lonely creepy dirt road, seen in GSJ's video (the road where she finally gets out of the car to actually do some searching) was a secluded area KC used to prepare the body for dumping or was this where she actually killed Caylee? KC knew the area so well. She does what's easy, familiar, convenient. There is just something about that road that creeps me out to no end. So from the A's house, to Lee's house, murder Caylee at Lee's or on the grassy road near the dumping site, shove the baby in the trunk, and after that, use Lee's apartment when no one is home, to clean up any messes, dispose of anything that needed to be gotten rid of, wash clothes, ponder about next move, search the net, etc. A neutral spot.

 

[panthera]

I have been thinking about everything in the laundry bag.......heart sticker on tape......everything that would be in Caylee's bedroom, even the knife from the kitchen. IMO, kc murdered CAYLEE right in her own room, packaged her up, snuck to the back yard, hid her there til morning and put her in the trunk of car. A soft kill, maybe Caylee was already asleep. (hopefully)
But I truely think Caylee told CA something that started the fight and the duct tape and sticker means 'shut up forever'........
I think kc thought about this for a long time, but did it that night out of rage.
GA/CA were so used to fighting (took a chill pill and went to bed) They heard kc but figured kc was packing up to leave for a couple days and leave CAYLEE behind.
When all was silent, CA/GA thought everyone was ok. When they woke up kc and CAYLEE were gone. MOO

The more information that's coming out, like what was found in the bag, leads me to also think Caylee was killed in her room, maybe even in her own bed as she slept. The duct tape would be to keep her from screaming or crying as Casey was probably smothering or choking her. I also believe she was taken out to the back yard before being put in the car trunk. The only question I might have about the exact time she did this would be how soundly her parents sleep and if they'd hear her going outside to the back yard or not. MOO