Who Killed Jon Benet Ramsey? Poll

[BBB167893]

A normal, loving family just out of the blue murders their daughter and no one says a word?

Who says they were normal?

nothing seemed unusual about John or Patsy either.

Oh, no? I can name a few things.

 

[BBB167893]

If it is in CODIS, it meets the standards by which to match. CODIS does not take samples that are not up to their standards to match a suspect.

Most likely, they did this time. It just barely came up to their standards. They were worried about bad publicity if they didn't.

 

[BBB167893]

So let me get this straight. A GJ hearing was held and jurors heard the evidence and decided there was enough evidence to indict John and Patsy, and Alex Hunter decides there isn't enough evidence? Give your friggin head a shake? And let's ignore that for a second and wonder why Hunter strongly insinuated that the GJ made no such indictment recommendation? Why did he lie to the people that he represented?

Even if he didn't think he had the evidence, why not arrest the two of them and see if you could get the other to crack? Heck, with those charges I bet they could have even had Burke removed from the house for his own safety!

But hell no. Hunter was soft on the Ramsey's from day one. His own department was telling him John and Patsy were involved. Thomas, Beckner, Kolar, all of them after studying all the evidence came to the conclusion that the murderer was one of three people, but Hunter purposely protected them. Denied warrants for phone records, doctors reports , wire taps, etc., this was not a guy that had justice on his mind. Then, despite the fact that his department was telling him this was an inside job, he hires Lou Smit to go in a completely different direction.

Don't feed me this lack of evidence crap. AH was dirty and should probably be investigated.

And BTW, it's nice to see you around to fill in for Anti K. It's a shame you guys are never around at the same time. [emoji57]


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Don't forget, andreww, that he was dead-set against calling a Grand Jury and only did so because of the heat Thomas's resignation letter was bringing down.

I agree with you: if I had the power to do so, I'd call a Grand Jury to investigate the DA's office, the Haddon Law Firm and Lin Wood. I say put 'em through the wringer and watch what squeezes out.

 

[BBB167893]

Of course it was. Patsy would have cracked like a nut if she had been interrogated without John or a lawyer present. LE should have taken John and Patsy straight to the station from the house. But whatever, something tells me John had been in touch with an attorney before he stepped foot out of that house and there was no way he was going to talk to anyone.

That's what LE WANTED to do! Alex Hunter said no. Too "police state-ish" for his flower child sensibilities.

 

[BBB167893]

If it is in CODIS, it met CODIS standards. Anyone who denies this is quite simply ignorant of the facts.

If you actually KNEW the facts, AK, you'd know that it doesn't meet the standard for permanent inclusion and has to be renewed regularly. It's a little loophole.

With DNA nothing is 100 % except exclusion. And, the Ramseys and 200+ persons (friends, family, associates, etc) have been excluded.
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AK

Excluded as the DNA donor, NOT the killer. Don't mix it up.

 

[BBB167893]

Why do you say that? Of course it's been almost 20yrs. since it happened but as I remember it everytime they gave an iterview, if not always, the majority of the time Patsy was the one that spoke. She came across as a take charge kind of person.

There's a big difference between that and actually being placed in a holding cell.

 

[BBB167893]

She's sure holdin her own in this interview, and you know the guy is lieing through his teeth, becasue if he had "scientific proof" that Patsy murdered Jon Bennet, he would have already arrested her!

[video=youtube;nlxJRb5T_XM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlxJRb5T_XM[/video]

I'm not sure how you came to those conclusions, TexasTuff. Having scientific evidence that she was involved is one thing, but if it can't tell you which one of them did what, you're stuck.

 

[BBB167893]

TexasTuff, if Patsy had been interested in advancing the investigation she wouldn't have waited four months to permit herself to be interviewed. Never, ever, have I heard of an innocent parent who didn't immediately cooperate with the investigation and do what they asked for in the way of statements or assistance.

Who waits four long months before letting LE know what information they may have that would advance the investigation?

I recommend that people compare this case to that of Danielle Van Dam. Night and day.

 

[BBB167893]

My husband was in Law Enforcement for 31yrs. and he had an old Sheriff tell him one time, "If the FBI ever wants to interview you, ask them if they have a warrant for your arrest and if they say no tell them to go to Hades because they very well may be trying to implicate you in something. And never take a lie detector test because their not admissable in court and sometimes they can produce false positive readings."

Probably in the early part of all this the Ramsey lawyers probably told them the same thing about the Boulder City Police dept.

That's entirely possible. From JR's own statements, we know that the lawyers told him and PR to stay quiet if they were arrested because the police might put informants in the cell with them.

 

[BBB167893]

Someone said we need to be careful of our sources and I know that's true I have read at least two maybe three different on certain points. For example, it's been said the Ramsey's were indicted by a grand jury.

Here's a source that says they weren't:

"Boulder police worked almost single-mindedly to try to prove they killed their daughter, JonBenet, but a grand jury failed to indict the Ramseys -– in large part because of one critical piece of evidence. It was the unexplained male DNA in JonBenet's underwear."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jonbenet-dna-rules-out-parents/

Look again. That story was from BEFORE the Grand Jury info was released.

 

[TexasTuff]

My guess is that the GJ knew a lot more about the case than we do, although I see how they could've come up with the charges they did based only on the information we have.

That was the point of having the finding of the GJ made available to the public, to find out what infomation they did have. It took 18mo. (which I believe is the longest a GJ can hear a case) for them to come up with their conclusion.

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said the indictments merely show that a majority of the grand jury felt there was probable cause to charget he parents -- a lower standard than proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
"It doesn't precisely say that the grand jury thought they killed JonBenet," Toobin said. "It's not precisely clear what they thought they did." The grand jury in 1999 didn't have the DNA findings that emerged in 2008, Toobin said.

An attorney for John Ramsey and his family urged the district attorney to publicly open "the entire grand jury record and not just 4 pages from an 18-month investigation that produced volumes of testimony and exhibits."

The released indictments "are nonsensical," said attorney L. Lin Wood. "They reveal nothing about the evidence reviewed by the grand jury and are clearly the result of a confused and compromised process. The Ramsey Family and the public are entitled to the benefit of the full and complete record, not just a historical footnote. Fairness dictates that result."

Wood, in a statement, said the grand jury didn't have what was later to be "the conclusive 2008 DNA testing that led to the unequivocal, public exoneration of the Ramsey Family by the Boulder District Attorney."

In 2013, 14 years after the grand jury dispersed -- Judge J. Robert Lowenbach ordered the release of four pages of sealed documents, as requested by local journalists. In January, the Boulder Daily Camera, citing unidentified jurors and an assistant district attorney, said the grand jury voted to indict her parents on charges of child abuse resulting in death. The newspaper and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press then successfully sued for the documents' release.

The attorney for John Ramsey recently reasserted his client had no role in his daughter's death.

"I have known for years that Boulder prosecutors did not file charges against John and Patsy Ramsey because the evidence to prosecute them did not exist," Wood, the Atlanta lawyer for John Ramsey, said this year.

 

[TexasTuff]

The housekeeper hadn’t been in the house for 2 or 3 nights and could not have known if the blanket had moved over that period of time.

I don’t remember anything about any sort of testing on the knife. Maybe someone else remembers something.
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AK

Good point on the nightgown and blanket!

 

[TexasTuff]

“Nobody trustworthy.” I think you mean nobody that RDI considers trustworthy. Which doesn't mean much to me.
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AK

What is RDI?

 

[TexasTuff]

Who says they were normal?

Oh, no? I can name a few things.

Could you name them please?

 

[TexasTuff]

There's a big difference between that and actually being placed in a holding cell.

? Sorry, don't get your drift.

 

[OliviaG1996]

What is RDI?

RDI- Ramsey Did It
IDI- Intruder Did It
JDI- John Did It
PDI- Patsy Did It
BDI- Burke Did It
JADI- John Andrew Did It

There are probably more that I'm forgetting.

 

[TexasTuff]

I'm not sure how you came to those conclusions, TexasTuff. Having scientific evidence that she was involved is one thing, but if it can't tell you which one of them did what, you're stuck.

It was the investigator that told Patsy, "What if I tell you I have scientific evidence that you killed Jonbenet," :waitasec: which was a complete lie, because if he had had the evidence he wouldn't have been interviewing her, he would have arrested her. :jail:

 

[TexasTuff]

TexasTuff, if Patsy had been interested in advancing the investigation she wouldn't have waited four months to permit herself to be interviewed. Never, ever, have I heard of an innocent parent who didn't immediately cooperate with the investigation and do what they asked for in the way of statements or assistance.

Who waits four long months before letting LE know what information they may have that would advance the investigation?

Who waits four long months before letting LE know what information they may have that would advance the investigation?

Considering the fact that they tried to scare her with supposed "scientific evidence" they had against her, do yuh think her lawyers were smart enough to know that it would be better if she confronted them when she wasn't in a Valium fog?

 

[TexasTuff]

RDI- Ramsey Did It
IDI- Intruder Did It
JDI- John Did It
PDI- Patsy Did It
BDI- Burke Did It
JADI- John Andrew Did It

There are probably more that I'm forgetting.

LE, what does it mean?

 

[SapphireSteel]

I think both PR and JR killed JB.

PR started it, JR finished it.

That's what the evidence says to me.

JB did not die easily.