Question for everyone regardless of what side you are on.
I've stayed clear of this thread even tho it was the very first case I ever got tottaly addicted to...I think I was 13 when I picked up my first Ramsey book and it was over with at that point. I think its cause anyone who has followed this case is passionate about how they feel that I just don't even wanna get involved here lol
But my question is what does everyone think of the idea of someone who hated the Ramsey and set it up so they would look guilty? Threw out the past 15 years that I've been into this case its kind of the conclusion I've came to. And its certainly not because I don't think parents could do such a horrible act to their child. Its the ransom note. Its to obvious. I have a hard time believing JR or PR would be dumb enough to right a ransom note then put the note pad back. If they did this then why couldn't they have at least got ride of evidence? Seems set up to me. Of course that's just from my prospective. I'm just curious what others think of this. Both rdi and idi believers.
I don't come here and post either for the very reasons you have stated. Its a little too heated for my taste. I will post my opinion and then move on again. I have long learned to put emotions aside and for me dwelling on any case for years is something that doesn't interest me. I do like to read from time to time but that's about it.
I find nothing logical if the Ramseys were involved and I have really tried to make sense of it putting the Ramseys as the suspects. I respect others where it works for them but it doesn't work for me and I can only be true to myself.
While I didn't particularly care for Patsy I never thought she was fake or lying. It was obvious though in her interviews that I saw she was heavily sedated leaving her thick tongued at times and having problems processing her thoughts quickly. Since I am from the same state the Ramseys are from I didn't find Patsy any different than most of the upper class women I have known. She was feisty at times, sure, but that is understandable if one thinks someone is trying to pin a murder wrap on them. I imagine I would be highly p*ssed off too and then some.
I cannot for the life of me rectify in my mind why this crime was committed the way it was if any of the Ramseys were involved. I have always felt it was someone who knew the Ramseys well but not close personal friends but enough to know a lot about them and had great resentment/hatred, and jealousy for them. And that is why the crime scene was found like it was.
John and Patsy Ramsey neither are/were stupid people by any means. Both were educated people who certainly were capable of using their brains. If any of the Ramseys were actually guilty then why would Patsy write the ransom note on her own pad and then leave the notepad behind? Anyone even in elementary school knows at a young age one can take a pencil and shade in the blank page and what had been written would appear. And why would they even write a ransom note to begin with and then John finds her in her own home? Imo, they wouldn't.
If she was killed during the night the adults had plenty of time to get rid of the notepad and take JB out of the home and then when they had cleaned up the scene they would have called 911 just like most parents who murder their child who lies saying the child is missing. Although most parents who murders will pretend the child fell down the stairs accidentally etc. or whatever pretending to be so upset and of course it was really done on purpose all along. And once an autopsy is done on the child that supposedly met with an 'accident' of some kind it is revealed they were murdered instead. But it never stops the majority of parents who go right on killing their child by physically assaulting them/abusing and then here comes the call to 911 pleading for help because their child has had an accident. Gag.
In all the decades I have kept up with true crime cases not once have I seen any parent/s who killed their child who do it this manner. Is there another case that you are aware of where another parent/murderer did the same as the Ramseys are accused of doing?
Why would Patsy write a ransom note when it would not only make them look very suspicious immediately (which it did) but it would also make them look like fools and complete morons as well. If John was pretending JB had been kidnapped then why would he be the one to find her? If guilty of conspiring with Patsy then he was trying to deceive ...not be the one to actually find her which would make the ransom note look even more ridiculous to LE . He could have easily let the police do the work and sit there until she was found. He could have pretended he was too overwrought to do anything.
Why would Patsy use her own paintbrush when she knew it could be matched to the one she had? That makes no sense. Why cover her with the blanket if either of them were truly involved? Why would they interject the amount of John's check knowing only a few would know that? Why?....because the killer knew the ransom note was the riddle that no one would ever be able to unravel.
Was the taser ever found? If not, why not. If it isn't there then that means someone had to leave the home that night to discard it so why weren't other evidence tied to the Ramseys also taken out? Like I said, with the Ramseys being it have never made one bit of sense to me. That is just my opinion and it has been the one I have consistently held throughout all of these years.
Whomever did this I don't think they will ever be arrested. They hated the Ramseys so much they destroyed the most beautiful part of their lives. The one who brought them so much pride and joy. What sick satisfaction he must get even to this day to know he was able to fool almost everyone. He set it all up for the Ramseys to immediately be the ones under suspicion and it worked ...just like he knew it would. Once BPD were convinced the Ramseys were involved they were so sure they couldn't see anyone else. Through the years with the characters at the BPD...IMO, it has become more about being right than really trying to find out who murdered JB. They have drawn their line in the sand long ago and they are too arrogant and narcissistic to ever admit they were wrong. That is why I read no books concerning this case from either side's viewpoint.
What one is seeking to find is exactly what they will find/see and there are way too much biases now to ever get the straight truth without the slant.
I think this person is highly intelligent and he thought about this plan for a very long time before entering their home. I think he entered when he saw them leave for the party/waited for them to return and for all to retire for the night. I also think he may be upper class like they were at the time. One who has no criminal record nor is his DNA in any data base and he knows it isn't and he is going to make sure he keeps it that way. I have always called this unknown killer
'The Joker' and
'The Riddler" rolled into one and to this day no one has been able to figure out his riddle and the joke was on the Ramseys. He knew they would be suspected. Of course they would. The ransom note cinched it and he knew it would. No one could figure out why he did that so they assumed it had to come from one of the Ramseys. I think he even practiced Patsy handwriting for months before doing this.
Patsy loved JB almost to an obsession. IMO, if she had killed her beautiful daughter, accidentally or otherwise she would have made sure when JB was found she was laid out like a little sleeping princess and not in the horrific manner in which she was found. I will never believe that Patsy struck JB over bedwetting. There is nothing in her background that I have ever seen that proves she was violent with either of her two children ever.
I don't believe CW either. I do not believe she was sexually molested prior to this happening to her. I do think the killer put one more nail in their coffin by trying to make it look like a sexually twisted sick game he played with their daughter's life..
I think John and Patsy were in deep denial.... which a lot of family members are that have children who have been murdered. I don't think they could stand the thought they had made an enemy so mean, cruel, and sadistic that he would destroy not only JB's beautiful life but all of their lives as well. But they did have such formidable enemy and a very smart and cunning one with sadistic tendencies. He set them up to take the fall and in the end it worked just like he knew it would. He not only destroyed JB..the love of their lives...he brought John and Patsy to their knees. They had lost their beautiful daughter, they had lost their reputation and the end they were no longer upper class. He knew the dominoes would fall and take the Ramseys with them. He got everything he wanted and now he sits back and gloats.
IMO
Though I still wonder why an intruder would have a motivation to stage the scene. And before the objections: the scene was staged. She was not found as she was when she died. She was cleaned and moved. Not to mention all the other evidence that doesn't fit but oh well. Any differing RDI's can substitute where necessary as well, though of course the motivations will change.
