Who really watched Caylee ??

[daisy.faithfull]

maybe no duct tape, just doped up to sleep for a few hours so ICA could dance or have sex???

I suppose its possible. But I would think that if she did it regularly there would have been at least one time she wouldn't of woken up, and I would think she'd be making noise, hurting her little hands trying to get out.

ICA wouldn't be able to drive people in her car. She would have to make sure that she was totally alone when he placed her in and took her out of the trunk. She would have had to change her or else the truck would get stinky.

But I have seen people speculate that Zanny is a nickname for xanax, inferring she used xanax to knock her out instead of taking her to a babysitter.

 

[grammieto5]

I agree. Someone would have noticed restraint marks, irritation from tape etc.But I guess I'm biased because I just don't want that to be true.

If she gave "something" to put Caylee to sleep, there would be no marks.

 

[jen&jonhart]

All of you have brought up some great points. Now I am gonna have to go rethink some thing's hmmmm.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Florida is too hot! IMO, she would likely be dead the first or 2nd time she tried this. Even in the winter there are few days, or nights that you could put someone in a car trunk and not have them suffer heat stroke. Children do not regulate heat/cold well, (neither do "old people") which would make it even less likely she did this on any basis except when Caylee was already dead or as part of the homicide. I think CA/GA watched her quite a bit, as did JG when they were together. She often just brought her along and stuck her in bed with whom ever she was with. All in all, IMO it was any where she could, by any means she could. Car trunk excluded due to Fla heat, IMO.

We've actually had cases out here where parents have forgotten their children in the car and they die.

Once a LE forgot his K9 in the car.

While it does get hot here, its not scorching all year long, and IIRC sometimes this does happen when its not very hot. It is such a horrible, horrible tragedy.

And these are babies and a dog that were not in the truck. I'd think its worse in there, but maybe not.

 

[grammieto5]

I don't believe the trunk was "Zanny", no. I believed always that Zanny has always been ICA's parents and only ICA's parents. I was just watching an old video last night of when CA was hammering in those signs, this was in the evening, female protesters were there and the 1 woman yelled at CA re ICA and CA said plain as day she was the only one who took care of Caylee or had always taken care of Caylee. I do not think CA would have approved of anybody else taking care of Caylee. She would have come undone if this were the case, which it wasn't because ICA didn't have any real money to spend, not like that.

Then how would you explain CA believing Caylee was with the Nanny for the 31 days CA kept asking KC where Caylee was?

 

[daisy.faithfull]

If she gave "something" to put Caylee to sleep, there would be no marks.

Good point! But how could she make sure that little Caylee would stay asleep for the necessary time?

And what if she needed to sleep longer? She'd have to give her the meds, or whatever and hold her until she went back to sleep. She wouldn't be able to put her right into the trunk, she's be awake.

 

[Dafne]

I think anybody casey could palm caylee onto watched her, there doesnt seem to have been a motherly bond there from the get go.

 

[Quiche]

I've always wondered if KC put Caylee to "bed" at Lee's when he was out of town... I recall too, some conversation about empty homes in the area. I certainly hope Caylee wasn't in the trunk more than the time we know about-- wouldn't she be dehydrated? Soiled?

 

[Baznme]

Sorry but I disagree with Caylee being in the trunk prior to her death as I feel she would have been dead a long time ago.It's Florida after all.
That is one of the things I have been in serious disagreement about since this case started.I have not now nor will I ever believe she used the trunk as a babysitter.
That's just my opinion.

Your post spurred a thought to me. I lived in Florida for many years up until last month, one hour from Orlando. The heat may have actually been a contributing factor. It doesn't start getting really warm until late april or may and by June, it is hot! Her body was in the trunk for about 3 days after death, so I don't know why it would be such a stretch that she would have been in the trunk before death, especially in light of the alleged findings that the chloroform levels were 10,000 times higher than normal.

Also, if you do not believe the trunk was the babysitter, who do you think was? I am curious.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I think anybody casey could palm caylee onto watched her, there doesnt seem to have been a motherly bond there from the get go.

Its disturbing to think about the people she could have left her with. ICA and her friends seemed to party a lot. They didn't have children. If/when ICA brought Caylee with her IMHO she was not at all in a safe environment either.

 

[fla*mom]

Sorry but I disagree with Caylee being in the trunk prior to her death as I feel she would have been dead a long time ago.It's Florida after all.
That is one of the things I have been in serious disagreement about since this case started.I have not now nor will I ever believe she used the trunk as a babysitter.
That's just my opinion.

This is so true. She would have been dead or brain damaged for sure. Children and pets left in the car here in Flordia don't last long at all. Even in the evenings it is still hot in the summer.

The was a young man a dozen years ago that was car jacked and they left him in his trunk and he was in a coma for a long time and then was severley disabled afterwards.

Not saying she didn't put Caylee in the trunk after she was already dead or this was the first time and between the heat and whatever else she did to her caused her death.

Other than that I have no idea who watched Caylee when CA or GA or the times she was with ICA.

 

[jcamille]

I suppose its possible. But I would think that if she did it regularly there would have been at least one time she wouldn't of woken up, and I would think she'd be making noise, hurting her little hands trying to get out..

Hence, the need for the duct tape over her mouth. To keep her being heard if she did wake up.

 

[BigMomma]

Then how would you explain CA believing Caylee was with the Nanny for the 31 days CA kept asking KC where Caylee was?

I think it was all an act basically. Selling nonsense so the blame didn't land at their door or on their shoulders. I shouldn't say it, but will. In my mind, this is not the first time at the rodeo for the A's, meaning they just all didn't decide to start lying when the 31 days had passed. I believe there is a history of story telling in the family that dates from way back and not just with ICA.

 

[grammieto5]

Good point! But how could she make sure that little Caylee would stay asleep for the necessary time?

And what if she needed to sleep longer? She'd have to give her the meds, or whatever and hold her until she went back to sleep. She wouldn't be able to put her right into the trunk, she's be awake.

That's a really good question. And yeah I can't imagine KC taking the time to hold Caylee until she went back to sleep. Unless after a few times KC had it figured out just how much to give Caylee and knew just how long a certain amount would last. Whatever KC was doing to her, she didn't do it for a very long time, sweet little Caylee was only a little bit over a year old :-(

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Florida is too hot! IMO, she would likely be dead the first or 2nd time she tried this. Even in the winter there are few days, or nights that you could put someone in a car trunk and not have them suffer heat stroke. Children do not regulate heat/cold well, (neither do "old people") which would make it even less likely she did this on any basis except when Caylee was already dead or as part of the homicide. I think CA/GA watched her quite a bit, as did JG when they were together. She often just brought her along and stuck her in bed with whom ever she was with. All in all, IMO it was any where she could, by any means she could. Car trunk excluded due to Fla heat, IMO.

I didn't know that first point I highlighted. And I hadn't even thought about what it would have been like in the winter.

I think I remember Cindy say that a day had not gone by that she hadn't seen little Caylee. Until of course that last time.

I wish that family would stop all of the denial. They are to only ones that could give ICA a reality check and they don't.:banghead:

 

[grammieto5]

Your post spurred a thought to me. I lived in Florida for many years up until last month, one hour from Orlando. The heat may have actually been a contributing factor. It doesn't start getting really warm until late april or may and by June, it is hot! Her body was in the trunk for about 3 days after death, so I don't know why it would be such a stretch that she would have been in the trunk before death, especially in light of the alleged findings that the chloroform levels were 10,000 times higher than normal. Also, if you do not believe the trunk was the babysitter, who do you think was? I am curious.

So could the levels be as high as they were because KC had put Caylee in there a few times before she died ???

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Hence, the need for the duct tape over her mouth. To keep her being heard if she did wake up.

But the duct tape would have given her a rash or hurt the skin. Kids her age have pretty delicate skin. She'd have restrain her hands to.

Of course anything is possible, especially on that last time. But I think that ICA planned what she did.

 

[Quiche]

I think the problem with this "nanny" is another factor in KC getting rid (ugh, a punch to the stomach just saying these things) of Caylee-- she was close to the age she could verbalize her experiences to CA and GA.

Who really watched Caylee? If it wasn't George and Cindy, is was no one. jmo

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I think it was all an act basically. Selling nonsense so the blame didn't land at their door or on their shoulders. I shouldn't say it, but will. In my mind, this is not the first time at the rodeo for the A's, meaning they just all didn't decide to start lying when the 31 days had passed. I believe there is a history of story telling in the family that dates from way back and not just with ICA.

I agree 100 percent. Like a duck to water they took to their denial.

 

[grammieto5]

I'm thinking because little Caylee was so very young when she was murdered, KC didn't do this trunk/zanny thing that long, or even that often. But this last time it turned out really horrible for Caylee. I'm thinking that is why KC's "dream team" is saying it was an accident.