Why didn't Cindy file for custody of Caylee? Could Cindy have saved her?

[stilettos]

Amster, that is a very good question, why wasn't Cindy checking up on the welfare of Casey and Caylee through Casey's friends and aquaintances during that 31 day void?

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I'd like to know why the H CA didn't pursue family court during the two years KC was not working and hauling this kid around in the car all day and taking her to parties where she woke upset? How could she have NO IDEA that KC was lying when she told KC's friends that she was a big liar, thief and sociopath. Do you leave your grandchild alone with a sociopath? I know how hard the system is. It took 9 years to finally get my daughter's father's rights terminated. BUT, I had to do everything I could to protect her best interests. Who was looking out for little Caylee?

 

[Pink Panther]

I think she was trying.

Well RAH RAH to Cindy, for trying...22 years later. 22 years too late! Yay CIndy!

MOO

 

[Pink Panther]

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I'd like to know why the H CA didn't pursue family court during the two years KC was not working and hauling this kid around in the car all day and taking her to parties where she woke upset? How could she have NO IDEA that KC was lying when she told KC's friends that she was a big liar, thief and sociopath. Do you leave your grandchild alone with a sociopath? I know how hard the system is. It took 9 years to finally get my daughter's father's rights terminated. BUT, I had to do everything I could to protect her best interests. Who was looking out for little Caylee?

I wonder about the same things! What were these people doing for the almost three years that Caylee was alive? No money coming in from their chitty daughter, not EVER meeting a single co-worker or friend who could collaborate her bullchit job, no one to ever suggest that there really was a babysitter; no pictures/descriptions/photographs/accounts of the days events...Do these Grandparents have some kind of mental illness/disorder?

Facetious question but come on already! Can we get real!???

 

[Light bulb]

Then why do you think she told AH that they were scared to open the trunk for fear that either KC or Caylee could be inside? Why on earth would she have said this if she had NO IDEA that something was/could have been horribly wrong?

Curious. I've asked this question many times and no one ever answers.

MOO

IMO: I think that is exactly what they thought. But not the way it has turned out. I think at the time that they were not thinking except in panic mode. That smell, missing child. jumping to conclusions. That turned out to be true but at first they were not thinking that it actually was real.

I'm a mom and a grandma and I can't tell you how many times i've let my imagine runaway with me when any of them are late. I start thinking the worse and thank God it hasn't happened to me BUT, I understand that panic.
IMO

 

[elfie]

Well RAH RAH to Cindy, for trying...22 years later. 22 years too late! Yay CIndy!

MOO

So now Casey was a problem at 2 months old? Interesting position.

 

[tx_Dot]

Then why do you think she told AH that they were scared to open the trunk for fear that either KC or Caylee could be inside? Why on earth would she have said this if she had NO IDEA that something was/could have been horribly wrong?

Curious. I've asked this question many times and no one ever answers.

MOO

Maybe as CA starts adding it all up, she starts talking during her thought process....who knows ??

But, you can tell CA's not thinking too straight.......if she tells AH it could be KC.........hasn't CA actually talked to CA several times while the car's been impounded ??

 

[AZRiverRat]

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Every situation is different, ...however in THIS case, Caylee was IN JAIL...it is NOT hard for the court to appoint a temporary guardian for a child whose only parent is in JAIL, (and not just overnight or something), because SOMEBODY has to have temporary residency and decision making rights for that child...in many cases, grandparents may try to prove that the parent is unfit, but in THIS case, FCS had already gotten involved and declared Caylee to be endangered, and that Casey's actions were neglectful..., So if Caylee had come home, some determination would have needed to have been made...And what I'm wondering is why Cindy hadn't started that ball rolling...she didn't have to say that KC is guilty of anything, just the fact that her daughter is incarcerated and until she is found innocent and released I want to be the one on record as being Caylee's custodian so that if/when she is found, she is not in this FCS limbo, which would be the worst thing...Posters have said that maybe it was because she was afraid of KC not talking if she did that, and that could be true....I've also wondered if she knows who biodad is and knows he's really alive and was worried he might show up at some point...Of course, if CA/GA knew Caylee was dead, there would be no reason to file...

Casey and Caylee's residence at the time of her disappearance was Hopespring drive. CPS determined that Caylee was endangered and at risk (according to their report which for the life of me I cannot find).

Soooooo, even if Caylee was found, she wouldnt be returned to the home until it was determined to be a safe environment for her. Wouldnt they have placed her in foster care until a thorough investigation was done? Maybe Cindy was unable to start the custody proceedings until her home was deemed safe and everyone who resided there was cleared of any neglect or abuse.

JMO

 

[tx_Dot]

Exactly! imo

Yep, if all are involved, KC could be shipped out of state to live 'happily ever after'

CA's mother is the only other 'family' in FL that might ask any questions, but @ her age/busy with her husband, she has no time to check-up on any story the GP's would of put out if all were in cover-up mode.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Exactly! I think people forget it was Cindy who reported Caylee missing!
Also, I can't believe some of the responses to this thread....do people really believe that Cindy had the time or appropriate mental state to start the process of custody....all the while her granddaughter is missing, the world presuming her grandbaby is dead, and her own daughter in jail. I would imagine that finding Caylee was all she cared about at that point in time. I sometimes think people just hate Cindy so much that they are finding anything and everything to blame this women for! Good grief!

I understand what your saying and I do agree that Cindy may of been in panic mode by the time she found Casey and the car. I can agree that she may of lost her mind at first and I could understand that. Now, after the fact I feel she should of been honest with LE about everything.
What I don't agree with is the fact that this family had issues way before Casey took off. George had warned Cindy, Cindy's brother warned Cindy. Cindy was aware of Casey steeling and lying and being a sociopath. She even told LE that Casey was a sociopath. So why would anyone trust or allow a sociopath to take off with any child? I think Cindy should of let Casey make her decision to let Caylee be adopted out, if she didn't want Casey to give her up then she should of become Caylee's legal guardian. That should of been the second sign. But, we can all speculate and say she should of done this and she should of done that. I just know what I did and would do it over if I had to, and thank "God" my grandchild is still alive I fought for custody right away. I am sad to say that the birth mother had a second child from someone else and that child almost died at 3 weeks and is now with the other grandparents and the mother is on her 3rd pregnancy. So, these women are seriously ill and if they are not stopped they end up hurting there children and others. JMO

 

[Light bulb]

Yep, if all are involved, KC could be shipped out of state to live 'happily ever after'

CA's mother is the only other 'family' in FL that might ask any questions, but @ her age/busy with her husband, she has no time to check-up on any story the GP's would of put out if all were in cover-up mode.

You reach a certain age in life and you hope that you can survive. You want your kids to survive. One assumes they have raised their child the same way. So you go about your daily life: going to work, coming home, cooking, cleaning, spending time with the grands, the hubby, the church, the volunteer work, etc. ONE JUST doesn't expect this kind of stumbling block. And then what do you do? You try to put it all back together IMO

I called 911 once, to report my child missing. (he was exactly 5 minutes late and it was dark out) He came home safe and I was happy. For months, I kept receiving letters from the LE about help for "wayward children". I was in panic mode when I called, never had a problem otherwise. I'm trying to make a point but can't quite write it. hmmph

 

[Priester]

Assuming Caylee had been alive, Casey had no obligation to keep in touch with her parents, nor any legal reason to let her parents communicate with Caylee.

I think Casey could have avoided all of her legal problems by enforcing her parental rights to decide if and when her daughter saw her grandparents.

Not letting Grandparents visit is not a reason for said grandparents to try to wrest custody from a biological parent.

Of course, we all know that Caylee was dead and Cindy also knew it, but did not want to admit it.

 

[LLH]

Assuming Caylee had been alive, Casey had no obligation to keep in touch with her parents, nor any legal reason to let her parents communicate with Caylee.

I think Casey could have avoided all of her legal problems by enforcing her parental rights to decide if and when her daughter saw her grandparents.

Not letting Grandparents visit is not a reason for said grandparents to try to wrest custody from a biological parent.
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Casey was using her parents, for support and babysitting. She had no job, she partied and slept with men in Caylees presence, drank and possibly used drugs. Casey did not support Caylee. THIS is reason enough for said grandparents to wrest custody from this biological parent.

 

[Light bulb]

You reach a certain age in life and you hope that you can survive. You want your kids to survive. One assumes they have raised their child the same way. So you go about your daily life: going to work, coming home, cooking, cleaning, spending time with the grands, the hubby, the church, the volunteer work, etc. ONE JUST doesn't expect this kind of stumbling block. And then what do you do? You try to put it all back together IMO

I called 911 once, to report my child missing. (he was exactly 5 minutes late and it was dark out) He came home safe and I was happy. For months, I kept receiving letters from the LE about help for "wayward children". I was in panic mode when I called, never had a problem otherwise. I'm trying to make a point but can't quite write it. hmmph

That's what it was: I made a panic call

 

[Light bulb]

Assuming Caylee had been alive, Casey had no obligation to keep in touch with her parents, nor any legal reason to let her parents communicate with Caylee.

I think Casey could have avoided all of her legal problems by enforcing her parental rights to decide if and when her daughter saw her grandparents.

Not letting Grandparents visit is not a reason for said grandparents to try to wrest custody from a biological parent.

Of course, we all know that Caylee was dead and Cindy also knew it, but did not want to admit it.

I agreed with you UNTIL, you say that Cindy knew.when she made the call?
She did not IMO.

 

[tx_Dot]

You reach a certain age in life and you hope that you can survive. You want your kids to survive. One assumes they have raised their child the same way. So you go about your daily life: going to work, coming home, cooking, cleaning, spending time with the grands, the hubby, the church, the volunteer work, etc. ONE JUST doesn't expect this kind of stumbling block. And then what do you do? You try to put it all back together IMO

I called 911 once, to report my child missing. (he was exactly 5 minutes late and it was dark out) He came home safe and I was happy. For months, I kept receiving letters from the LE about help for "wayward children". I was in panic mode when I called, never had a problem otherwise. I'm trying to make a point but can't quite write it. hmmph

yes, no one can prepare for anything like this.....

glad your son was ok......& welcome to WS

 

[nomoresorrow]

IF everyone 'was in on it', why report it at all ???

When G & C recovered KC's car from the tow yard GA disclosed to the owner/manager that his daughter and grand-daughter had been unaccounted for the past month, he was also present when GA opened the trunk of the vehicle because of the suspicous odor, not only did he see the garbage bag with the maggots, he tossed it over a fence and into a dumpster. I've always felt that, as an afterthought, GA & CA realized and feared that the wrecker co. owner/manager might possibly contact the police himself and therefore that is why they decided to contact LE and report Caylee missing themselves. I truly believe had GA not mentioned anything at the tow yard and had simply gotten into the car and driven away, CA would not have called LE that night, but would have quietly joined in and helped KC with her "already ongoing investigation". JMOO-------

 

[Light bulb]

yes, no one can prepare for anything like this.....

glad your son was ok......& welcome to WS

you noticed i was a newbie. thanks!

 

[tx_Dot]

When G & C recovered KC's car from the tow yard GA disclosed to the owner/manager that his daughter and grand-daughter had been unaccounted for the past month, he was also present when GA opened the trunk of the vehicle because of the suspicous odor, not only did he see the garbage bag with the maggots, he tossed it over a fence and into a dumpster. I've always felt that, as an afterthought, GA & CA realized and feared that the wrecker co. owner/manager might possibly contact the police himself and therefore that is why they decided to contact LE and report Caylee missing themselves. I truly believe had GA not mentioned anything at the tow yard and had simply gotten into the car and driven away, CA would not have called LE that night, but would have quietly joined in and helped KC with her "already ongoing investigation". JMOO-------

LOL.....the whole family's trying to cover-up & KC forgets about the car out of gas, & that it's been towed ???......knowing that it has a death smell ??

Why not simply abandon the car & report it stolen to begin with ?? KC kept trying to get the car back..

I'm still on the fence about one of them (GA LA) helping her, but I can't see the whole family would join up & only come up w/KC stupid story.......that had not ONE thing was verifiable by LE.

 

[Asker]

It's clear to me that whoever biodad really is, Casey did not want him involved in Caylee's life, or she wouldn't have tried to make Jesse biodad...if I'm not mistaken, the man A's claim is Caylee's dad died in a car accident but not before Caylee was born, IIRC, so even after Jesse was not the dad, there still was time for KC to tell the guy who is the dad if she had wanted to...I think it just became convenient for KC to say that the guy who died in the car accident was the dad because she didn't want real dad involved...Whether or not he knows Caylee was his, I think biodad is still out there, and that may have been part of the equation also...

I have a problem with the entire issue of who is Caylee's father because of the potential money for Casey involved with this issue. Casey has stolen money from her mother, her brother, her grandfather, her friend Amy, and who knows who all else. Apparently Casey has a great fondness for *unearned* money.

So...if Casey named a father the state would have given her free help in establishing a child support award and the state would also have given her free aid in enforcing any such order be paid and up to date. I just cannot see Casey voluntarily forgoing so much *unearned* money.

If a single mother pays the entire freight for her child the state will not get involved in establishing paternity. The state will only get involved in establishing paternity if the mother requests that help or if the mother accepts public aid (Welfare, food stamps, medical care, etc.) Apparently either Casey was insured for the birth costs of Caylee under Cindy's health insurance or Cindy paid the costs of Caylee's birth out of pocket.

Otherwise if the state picked up the costs of Caylee's birth or any other medical costs for Caylee after her birth, the state would have "forced" Casey to name a father. The state would then provide paternity testing. If Potential Daddy #1 didn't pan out in the DNA, then the state would keep ordering Casey to name fathers until they found the right father no matter how many men they had to test.

Obviously none of this happened so for some reason Cindy was willing to pick up the costs for Caylee herself rather than accept *any* state aid for Caylee. Which to me means Cindy likely knows who the real father is and like Casey, doesn't want him named publicly. Make of that what you will.

Because Casey and Cindy claimed the man who died in the car accident is the "real" father of Caylee is precisely why I don't believe that is true or even close to being the truth.

 

[nomoresorrow]

LOL.....the whole family's trying to cover-up & KC forgets about the car out of gas, & that it's been towed ???......knowing that it has a death smell ??

Why not simply abandon the car & report it stolen to begin with ?? KC kept trying to get the car back..

I'm still on the fence about one of them (GA LA) helping her, but I can't see the whole family would join up & only come up w/KC stupid story.......that had not ONE thing was verifiable by LE.

LOL.....I didn't say "the whole family's trying to cover-up". I also didn't say that G & C knew of or were involved in KC's actions, in terms of the actions that she took concerning her car prior to July 15th - I don't think that they were. I am convinced that they knew without a doubt that something was terrible wrong by July 15th and I also think that they would have delayed calling LE if not for the fact that GA had said what he said to the owner/manager of the wrecker co. and opened the trunk in his presence. My response was to "so why call and report?" - MOO