why does casey think anyone woud have wanted to take caylee?

[babycat]

That's the problem - she never provided any - which I think is a big hole in the fake abduction she created...

point taken

:blowkiss:

 

[Inana]

I love my 3-year-old granddaughter more than life, but if someone picked kidnapped her, they'd leave her off at the corner. lol. Kids that age can be very trying. And exhausting. Like Zenaida G said "I have two kids at home still, I don't need any more."

But seriously, I want to believe that most women do have a motherly and protective nature around kids. If I saw a child being abused or neglected, I would turn it in or personally interfer if needed. But I wouldn't kidnap the kid. But maybe, to separate it from a bad situation.

The whole Zenaida story should just be put to rest. Total fabrication.

 

[Sassynic]

Did you consider the possibility that she might have been afraid to tell her mother that and so, instead, told her she had been missing for 31 days?

So why keep up that lie with the LE? She told everyone *her friends via text msg* that Caylee had been missing for the full 31 days. That is not someone who dropped her off at the nanny's house with the knowledge that she would watch Caylee for 30 days. Sorry but that theory wouldn't even make KC agree with you.

She herself has said Caylee was missing for a full month and a day. That's the only half truth she's told that I actually believe.

The fear of her mom would be over by now. She would have admitted to LE and others that ZFG had her for a month as an agreement but Caylee went missing officially the day KC got arrested for the first time July 16th.

 

[Sassynic]

Right -- however, if she then lost the phone she had used to make the call (one or many) to the hypothetical nanny, she would no longer have the number and probably didn't have it memorized.

I'm flat out making guesses about all of this, and of course it doesn't answer all the issues that exist with this case.

The number shows up on the bill. LE has all her cell phone records and the theory that she called any nanny was blown outta the water.

 

[angelmom]

Evidently you need to read my post again.
Nowhere did I insinuate or type that I'd do anything like what you posted.
I never covered for my former friend once.
In fact, I am pretty sure I said I called DFACS on her. Glean whatever you want from my post, but don't put words in my mouth and make assumptions when you know nothing about me.
Seriously, how could ever get that I'd do that?
You know that I'm a Caylee is alive hoper and you just took what you wanted and ran with it.

I understand that you said you wouldn't do that, but your post indicated that you thought some people might consider it. I never said you would do it. I was asking for you to imagine that you would take your friend's baby, and then consider all of those other things.

I was trying to follow that line of reasoning and apply it to what we know in this case. Which is to say that, yes, it could happen, but I don't think ALL OF THOSE THINGS could happen. It just doesn't stand to reason.

Try not to take it so personally. It is allowed to challenge one another and think theories through in most of WS, so please stop accusing me of putting words into your mouth or persecuting you for your beliefs. I am just doing what we normally do here, which is to consider the possibilities and then challenge them to see if they hold up to scrutiny.

 

[Balthazar]

Thats correct - normally a family member kidnaps the child

Respectfully snipped. Could it be that Casey believes Caylee was taken by her father, who to this day, remains unidentified?

 

[angelmom]

With the utmost respect, Evan's Mom, it appeared very clear to me that the poster was trying to rule out the possibility you posted of taking a child from a friend because of neglect/abuse, etc., by saying that someone doing so to save the child, would not also do the list of things angelmom posted. And, in the case at hand, a person taking Caylee from their friend casey out of concern would also have had to allow casey to be charged with murder, would not have a social security number, would not have a usable phone number, no one would know that person, etc. In fact, it appears angelmom was saying that you would NOT do the things she listed and you would not fit the profile of a friend who took Caylee because you are rational and no rational person would so such things. She was saying you would obviosuly NOT do such things because it does not make sense, in my opinion. I do not believe she was attacking you in any way, shape or form.

Thank you. That's exactly it.

 

[Advocate4]

The number shows up on the bill. LE has all her cell phone records and the theory that she called any nanny was blown outta the water.

Wait a minute, though -- last I knew, KC had been saying she had another phone, a Blackjack, that she had lost. And my recall is that she said this was the phone that had the nanny's number in it.

I realize that nothing relating to the nanny in any way, shape or form has shown up on the cellphone records that LE does have, but my understanding was that they do NOT have the cellphone records from this other Blackjack phone.

Unless I've missed something and the Blackjack has been proven to not exist, it is the Blackjack that I refer to regarding phone calls to/from the nanny as well as phone calls related to anything else that Casey was doing that she was not being straight about to other people.

 

[Sassynic]

Wait a minute, though -- last I knew, KC had been saying she had another phone, a Blackjack, that she had lost. And my recall is that she said this was the phone that had the nanny's number in it.

I realize that nothing relating to the nanny in any way, shape or form has shown up on the cellphone records that LE does have, but my understanding was that they do NOT have the cellphone records from this other Blackjack phone.

Unless I've missed something and the Blackjack has been proven to not exist, it is the Blackjack that I refer to regarding phone calls to/from the nanny as well as phone calls related to anything else that Casey was doing that she was not being straight about to other people.

KC said both phones had the same phone number because she would switch the SIM cards back and forth between the two. That means both phones had one account and one phone bill.

For sake of argument, even if she had two seperate accounts, all KC has to do is tell LE the ph# and provider of the Blackberry and they can get the records, see calls to and from the nanny, arrest the nanny and KC will get out on bond and only be charged with lying to police, neglect, and all the check charges.

The fact that she has NOT done that means either there was no Blackberry *another famous KC lie?* or the Blackberry was the same account as the other phone and therefore there are NO other records in exsistance.

Voila! :crazy:

 

[Sassynic]

Wait a minute, though -- last I knew, KC had been saying she had another phone, a Blackjack, that she had lost. And my recall is that she said this was the phone that had the nanny's number in it.

I realize that nothing relating to the nanny in any way, shape or form has shown up on the cellphone records that LE does have, but my understanding was that they do NOT have the cellphone records from this other Blackjack phone.

Unless I've missed something and the Blackjack has been proven to not exist, it is the Blackjack that I refer to regarding phone calls to/from the nanny as well as phone calls related to anything else that Casey was doing that she was not being straight about to other people.

I found the transcript between KC and Lee regarding the calls to the nanny. In it she gives him all her phone info so that he could check the records for her #:

Lee: Did you speak with Caylee over the phone at any time?
Casey: I did one time, yes, and that was actually the day that Mom had called the police.
Lee: OK, do you remember what time you spoke to her?
Casey: Around noon? It was through a private call.
Lee then gets Casey's cell phone account information from her.
Lee: I know, did you ever have, or did you ever call, uh, the babysitter on your cell phone, or ever receive a call from the babysitter on your cell phone number?
Casey: Um, I most definitely did.
Lee: Can you give me any day or anything, whenever you think may have received that?
Casey: Any specific day, um -- God, a lot of the times, it was through text messages, so the number would show up even on that.
Lee: OK.
Casey: Um, I can't think of any specifics. I mean, my days are all thrown together. At least I know what the day is today, but as far as stuff from the last couple of months, I have -- I have no exact, you know, time or date. If I can think of something.
Lee: Do you remember, do you remember an area code?
Casey: Um, the last number that she called me from was a 954 number, which I believe is a Fort Lauderdale number. I know because Amy's is also the similar area code.
Lee: Right.
Casey: She has also called me from a 407 number, from a 321 number -- there's been different numbers, different times. Not necessarily on different days, but it just depended on the number that she had at the time.
Lee: OK. Most recently, can you remember the number that, you know, you would have seen?
Casey: The last number that she had called me from that wasn't, uh, the private listing, or that didn't show up "private cell" or "private call," was 954.
Lee: OK. Um, but even like a private cell or a private number from the most recent one that you can remember, can you remember, like, what month or anything like that that they were in?
Casey: Um, the last private call that I received was on the 15th, I believe. That was the day that Mom made that call.
Lee: Right.
Casey: And I think that was the last one that I had gotten. I mean as far as my knowing someone on the phone when I last had it.
Lee: Right, and do you remember what area code, or any part of that?
Casey: That was the number that came up. It just said "private cell," or "private call." I can't remember which one.
Lee: OK.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/28/lee_anthony39s_jailhouse_call_with_casey.html


If I can find the transcript about her SIM card I'll post that too.

 

[DeltaDawn]

Although children are abducted on a daily basis this is one case it seems extremely unlikely.
There is no living father coming forward to say he wants her vs her mom..family abduction ruled out.
There has been no ranson note..therefore no one took her for money or a favor owed.
There has been no email or phone message from the abductors..saying we have your child for this reason..inorder to get her back do this.
There can not have been an adduction for the child sex trade, selling the child on the black market, etc..because by Casey's own admission she says the child is close and is safe. Would a mother characterize their missing child, under any circumstances as close and safe..yet not cooperate with LE to get that child back home.

I could go on, but you get the gist..if a child is missing..parents don't wait a month to contact LE or their family for support.

 

[tiredofthis]

I love my 3-year-old granddaughter more than life, but if someone picked kidnapped her, they'd leave her off at the corner. lol. Kids that age can be very trying. And exhausting. Like Zenaida G said "I have two kids at home still, I don't need any more."

But seriously, I want to believe that most women do have a motherly and protective nature around kids. If I saw a child being abused or neglected, I would turn it in or personally interfer if needed. But I wouldn't kidnap the kid. But maybe, to separate it from a bad situation.

The whole Zenaida story should just be put to rest. Total fabrication.

I can relate. My 9-year-old son, the baby of the family, is a handful. He has been hyper since the day he was born and would exhaust anyone. I love him to death, but he does have his moments.

 

[concentric]

She honestly thought that if she told her mother the nanny took Caylee for herself because she wanted her and that she KC had no idea where they were, but KNEW SHE WAS SAFE. That Cindy would take that at her word and continue to let KC look for them and eventually her mother would give up and let it be.

Cindy instead called the police.

Reason for Casey's not worrying and partying = I knew in my gut she was fine and while I was waiting for Zani to come to her senses and return, I had to get it off of my mind.

:waitasec:

I say let's continue thinking about some Casey thought patterns that may explain her "seeming" lack of concern. What stories can she come up with for court.

 

[greeneyz]

The ONLY thing that made me think that maybe just maybe she had been kidnapped at first was the fact that her favorite doll was still in the back of the car, my grand daughters would never leave a beloved doll in the car like that.

 

[concentric]

Without a body, who could prove that she wasn't taken by someone who was more diabolical than Casey--someone such as a child pornographer? This can be a possible defense, right?

 

[Sassynic]

Without a body, who could prove that she wasn't taken by someone who was more diabolical than Casey--someone such as a child pornographer? This can be a possible defense, right?

Not with the DNA of Caylee in the trunk....

 

[Sassynic]

The ONLY thing that made me think that maybe just maybe she had been kidnapped at first was the fact that her favorite doll was still in the back of the car, my grand daughters would never leave a beloved doll in the car like that.

Casey just didn't think to bury that doll with Caylee. The fact that there is DNA that proves Caylee is dead in the trunk tells me this was NO kidnapping.

 

[Brini]

Casey just didn't think to bury that doll with Caylee. The fact that there is DNA that proves Caylee is dead in the trunk tells me this was NO kidnapping.

And, now it's worse, because of the body fluids on the pizza bag.

There's proof that whomever had the car on the 19th bought a large pepperoni pizza at Dominos, and threw the pizza into the trunk with the dead baby.

 

[LeLe1953]

People steal kids EVERYDAY, it's a fact and a reality. I'm NOT saying this happened here but it does happen and for various reasons. Some of the women who abduct are often unable to have children of their own and seek to satisfy their unmet psychological need by abducting a child rather than by adopting. There's also child trafficking etc. It's all quite unsettling but it goes on every single day.

Sadly that is true & it is horrific. The huge difference is most people would call the police right away. I imagine KC's logic ( if the above were her story) is that she was waiting for the kidnapper to get tired of Caylee & decide " never mind, kids are a lot of work. "

 

[Sassynic]

And, now it's worse, because of the body fluids on the pizza bag.

There's proof that whomever had the car on the 19th bought a large pepperoni pizza at Dominos, and threw the pizza into the trunk with the dead baby.

Really?? I hadn't heard that at all. I thought the pizza bag was thrown in the dumpster days before LE got involved. Figured it would have been in the landfill before LE got a chance to search it.