What sent Casey over the edge

[bessie]

Wow! This is the most interesting thread I've read here in a while. You've all made wonderful observations. I agree the mother/daughter/grandaughter relationship is the crux of this tragedy. After reading Casey's statement to police and remarks from one or two of her friends, it's obvious to me that Casey desperately longs for her mother's approval but never quite measures up, and never did.

Casey was the kind of kid who has particular difficulty mastering self control. To a greater degree that most children, she required a firm, loving hand to teach her, a parent who would look at her with open eyes and say, "You're my daughter. I love you. I see your flaws, and I love them, too. Together we'll work to improve them." Cindy's hypocrisy prevented her from being that kind of mother. She was hellbent on shaping the perfect American family, and a "problem child" didn't fit in the picture. She overlooked the flaws when she could, and covered them up when she couldn't, as she's doing now. Any objections from George fell on deaf ears because she refused to see the truth. In doing so, she denied Casey the acceptance she needed to love herself. Nature failed. Nurture failed. And the result is the tragedy before us.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[Baznme]

Interesting analysis.

I take this part maybe a little differently (or maybe I didn't understanding what you were trying to convey).



I take it as a slip on Casey's part - that Caylee would have had a "melt down" if she had
been talking to Cindy, because Cindy was really primary caregiver and more bonded with Caylee. I think Casey is classic bpd (doncha love how I can diagnose that from a distance!) and isn't bonded with anyone. I think the real struggle with Casey is wanting her mother's approval, but she absolutely cannot face that need.

Yes, I agree with this analysis of this statement. I would like to also add that Casey maybe 22 but seems to have the emotional maturity of a 16 yr. old. Caylee was probably so upset at the argument alone along with Casey's anger that in tandem scared her. Her mother wasn't able to comfort her because she is not equipped for it so she eliminated this noise in her life by getting rid of the very thing that represented "responsibility" all of a sudden and went on her merry way pretending it didn't happen. Her lies become reality.

 

[BondJamesBond]

I think it is Casey justifying in her own mind that Casey is "ok". Calm, serene, not wanting her mom or grandma. It's how she sleeps at night.

I'm with you on that TotallyO. I can just hear Casey drifting off in that exchange (below). The detective tries to bring her back to his questioning and move onto the next point, but, she lingers there, almost hauntingly, on Caylee being "fine" and not understanding how she's always been fine. Perhaps Casey uttered a little self-awareness of the truth there TotallyO, and - as you say - has been telling herself that Caylee is "fine" so she can sleep at night.

...and, oh, of course, she deflects/redirects to avoid answer the direct question, "all that stuff you’re saying true, right?"

Q: Okay. Now you haven’t seen her in five weeks. Hasn’t been in her own home, hasn’t seen her mother in five weeks. That didn’t upset her.
A: She was fine.
Q: She was fine she talked about the, y’all talked about the book. I mean is all that stuff you’re saying true, right?
A: She’s always been like that though. I don’t understand…how, but she’s always been like that.
Q: Okay but I’m getting that, but let’s get back to you say this had never happened before.​

 

[BondJamesBond]

I think it depends on who the child is with. I'm raising my bpd step-dtr's children and even the times that my step-dtr lived with us, the kids really didn't care if she were away, as long as we were there. The reverse was also true. If the kids were visiting another family member or close family friends, and happened to talk to their mom, they didn't ask about coming home. Only when they talked to us did they want to come home.

Weird, I know, but because I've lived through it, I know it's true. At age 2 or 3, all they connected to were their primary caregivers - hubby and I.

Right now, as teens, is when they're longing for their "mom," more in a way of trying to resolve why she didn't raise them. Lots of behaviors are now surfacing that are explained by feelings of abandonment at young age, even tho we loved them, took care of them as if they were our own children, and were in the role of parents their whole lives.

Thanks so much for this in incredibly candid insight, jb. You and your husband are real heros in my book. You've certainly secured your place in Heaven.

 

[bessie]

After reading a very interesting resource posted yesterday by another WS'er regarding statement analysis I took another (completely hack/amateur) look @ Casey's statement to LE about the phone call she received from Caylee on 7/15 ~NOON. My apolgies for the length, but, I put it all here for convenience.

DISCLAIMER: I edited this portion of the transcript down for brevity. I did not intentionally change the content. I omitted some exchanges where the detectives & Casey interrupt each other for clarity.

Here's my SPECULATION:

6/15 Cindy threatens Casey with filing for custody of Caylee. The intense argument ensues. In the midst of the shouting match w/ Cindy, Casey puts the ultimatum to Caylee, "Caylee! Do you want to stay with me (Casey) or grandma (Cindy)?!?! What's it going to be?!?":furious: Caylee is frightened and she does what any child in that situation would do, she goes in fear to her primary caregiver - Cindy. This sends Casey over the edge feeling Caylee has betrayed her and justified Cindy in the process. Casey thens sets out for revenge on defenseless Caylee at the next opportunity - exactly where/how TBD.

I can easily see this scenario playing out. It makes me sick to think of that baby being caught in that tug of war.

Q: What’d your daughter say to you?
A: She said, hi mommy. And she started to tell me a story talking to me about her shoes and books and…I tried to ask her where she was…and she just kept talking about the book that she’s…reading. We have videos of her reading the story and she’s telling me the story (inaudible)…a thousand times. She’s… [Casey conveniently uses the last video she saw of Casey reading the book as the basis for this lie-on-the-fly]
Q: …she seem happy and…
A: …fine. She seemed perfectly fine. There was nothing in the background.. [Casey, unprovoked, pre-empts the 'background' question indicating she's thinking in parallel about the plausiblity of her story]
Q: …no sign of any type of stress at all?
A: Not at all.
Q: Great that’s wonderful. Let me ask you a question. Your daughter hasn’t seen you in over a month and she’s not, she
A: She was excited, she was excited, sorry, to talk to me. But at the same time it’s crazy that she didn’t get upset when she talked to me. Which…had it been my mom…I know it would have been…totally different. [Casey didn't realize she completely left emotion out of her story until LE prompted her and struggled to recover. When she does recover she fantasizes about Caylee being excited (i.e. happy) with her and upset with Cindy - the reverse of the reality of 6/15 fight. She also reveals that the Caylee=Cindy relationship is "totally different" than Casey=Caylee.]
Q: …that makes sense to you?
A: She never gets upset when she talks to me. Whether I haven’t seen her for an entire day or if I had to work late at night I didn’t see her almost an entire day until the next one. [...more supplanting of Casey's reversal of reality. "Upset" may also be jealously saying that Caylee didn't seem to care if Casey came or went as long as Cindy was there.]
Q: The last time, the last time somebody took her and you didn’t see her for five weeks was when?
A: Never.
Q: Okay. Now you haven’t seen her in five weeks. Hasn’t been in her own home, hasn’t seen her mother in five weeks. That didn’t upset her.
A: She was fine.
Q: She was fine she talked about the, y’all talked about the book. I mean is all that stuff you’re saying true, right?
A: She’s always been like that though.I don’t understand…how, but she’s always been like that.
Q: Okay but I’m getting that, but let’s get back to you say this had never happened before.
A: Uh-huh
Q: She’s never not seen you for five weeks.
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Not talking to her mother okay. She finally talks to her mother after five weeks.
You’re…you ask her where she is. You begin asking her these questions and she just wants to talk about the book, she’s happy, she’s not worried, doesn’t seem upset.
A: She’s always like that. You can even ask my mom, she’s the same way. [Casey slips big time here and reveals that Caylee doesn't react to her, as in, she doesn't run to hug Casey when she's been gone...and Cindy's "the same way". In Casey's mind, neither Caylee or Cindy care for Casey...they have each other now.]
Q: Okay, let me go back to the, when was the last time you didn’t see her for five weeks? When was the last time something like this happened where she was gone and you didn’t see her for five weeks? The last time this happened when?
A: Never.
Q: Okay so this is the first time okay.
A: This is the first time I’ve been away from her for more than a day.
Q: Okay. The first time you ever been away from her for more than a day and she wasn’t the least bit upset?
A: No.
Q: When you talked to her on the phone that day?
A: She wasn’t the least bit upset when I talked to her.
Q: She went on about, you know I miss you mommy none of that I just…she talked like you said she talked about that book and all that stuff right that’s it?
A: And when I asked her to give the phone to another adult to somebody else she was fine, she was willing to do it, but the phone hung up. She doesn’t hang up phones. [The giving of the phone is a metaphor for what happened 6/15. Caylee was "willing to do it" (i.e. go to Cindy), but, "the phone hung up"...(i.e. I put a stop to that)

So what you're saying if I understand correctly (forgive me. It's been a looooooooong day) is that Casey was rife with resentment. Cindy and Caylee share a loving bond, a bond Casey's never shared with anyone. Forced to make a choice, Caylee chooses Cindy, hands down. And to make it worse, they pay her the highest insult: indifference. Add to that cauldron a fight about money, responsibility, etc., etc., and yeah, I "absolutely" think she could've been pushed over the edge. I like your metaphor about the phone, too. Hmm..I wanna go ponder that one awhile. :waitasec:

 

[soyesterday]

After reading a very interesting resource posted yesterday by another WS'er regarding statement analysis I took another (completely hack/amateur) look @ Casey's statement to LE about the phone call she received from Caylee on 7/15 ~NOON. My apolgies for the length, but, I put it all here for convenience.

DISCLAIMER: I edited this portion of the transcript down for brevity. I did not intentionally change the content. I omitted some exchanges where the detectives & Casey interrupt each other for clarity.

Here's my SPECULATION:

6/15 Cindy threatens Casey with filing for custody of Caylee. The intense argument ensues. In the midst of the shouting match w/ Cindy, Casey puts the ultimatum to Caylee, "Caylee! Do you want to stay with me (Casey) or grandma (Cindy)?!?! What's it going to be?!?":furious: Caylee is frightened and she does what any child in that situation would do, she goes in fear to her primary caregiver - Cindy. This sends Casey over the edge feeling Caylee has betrayed her and justified Cindy in the process. Casey thens sets out for revenge on defenseless Caylee at the next opportunity - exactly where/how TBD.

Q: What’d your daughter say to you?
A: She said, hi mommy. And she started to tell me a story talking to me about her shoes and books and…I tried to ask her where she was…and she just kept talking about the book that she’s…reading. We have videos of her reading the story and she’s telling me the story (inaudible)…a thousand times. She’s… [Casey conveniently uses the last video she saw of Casey reading the book as the basis for this lie-on-the-fly]
Q: …she seem happy and…
A: …fine. She seemed perfectly fine. There was nothing in the background.. [Casey, unprovoked, pre-empts the 'background' question indicating she's thinking in parallel about the plausiblity of her story]
Q: …no sign of any type of stress at all?
A: Not at all.
Q: Great that’s wonderful. Let me ask you a question. Your daughter hasn’t seen you in over a month and she’s not, she
A: She was excited, she was excited, sorry, to talk to me. But at the same time it’s crazy that she didn’t get upset when she talked to me. Which…had it been my mom…I know it would have been…totally different. [Casey didn't realize she completely left emotion out of her story until LE prompted her and struggled to recover. When she does recover she fantasizes about Caylee being excited (i.e. happy) with her and upset with Cindy - the reverse of the reality of 6/15 fight. She also reveals that the Caylee=Cindy relationship is "totally different" than Casey=Caylee.]
Q: …that makes sense to you?
A: She never gets upset when she talks to me. Whether I haven’t seen her for an entire day or if I had to work late at night I didn’t see her almost an entire day until the next one. [...more supplanting of Casey's reversal of reality. "Upset" may also be jealously saying that Caylee didn't seem to care if Casey came or went as long as Cindy was there.]
Q: The last time, the last time somebody took her and you didn’t see her for five weeks was when?
A: Never.
Q: Okay. Now you haven’t seen her in five weeks. Hasn’t been in her own home, hasn’t seen her mother in five weeks. That didn’t upset her.
A: She was fine.
Q: She was fine she talked about the, y’all talked about the book. I mean is all that stuff you’re saying true, right?
A: She’s always been like that though.I don’t understand…how, but she’s always been like that.
Q: Okay but I’m getting that, but let’s get back to you say this had never happened before.
A: Uh-huh
Q: She’s never not seen you for five weeks.
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Not talking to her mother okay. She finally talks to her mother after five weeks.
You’re…you ask her where she is. You begin asking her these questions and she just wants to talk about the book, she’s happy, she’s not worried, doesn’t seem upset.
A: She’s always like that. You can even ask my mom, she’s the same way. [Casey slips big time here and reveals that Caylee doesn't react to her, as in, she doesn't run to hug Casey when she's been gone...and Cindy's "the same way". In Casey's mind, neither Caylee or Cindy care for Casey...they have each other now.]
Q: Okay, let me go back to the, when was the last time you didn’t see her for five weeks? When was the last time something like this happened where she was gone and you didn’t see her for five weeks? The last time this happened when?
A: Never.
Q: Okay so this is the first time okay.
A: This is the first time I’ve been away from her for more than a day.
Q: Okay. The first time you ever been away from her for more than a day and she wasn’t the least bit upset?
A: No.
Q: When you talked to her on the phone that day?
A: She wasn’t the least bit upset when I talked to her.
Q: She went on about, you know I miss you mommy none of that I just…she talked like you said she talked about that book and all that stuff right that’s it?
A: And when I asked her to give the phone to another adult to somebody else she was fine, she was willing to do it, but the phone hung up. She doesn’t hang up phones. [The giving of the phone is a metaphor for what happened 6/15. Caylee was "willing to do it" (i.e. go to Cindy), but, "the phone hung up"...(i.e. I put a stop to that)

Sorry for the length. I just had to get it down in one spot.

Poor Caylee. I'm so sad for what she went through.

 

[bessie]

I think it depends on who the child is with. I'm raising my bpd step-dtr's children and even the times that my step-dtr lived with us, the kids really didn't care if she were away, as long as we were there. The reverse was also true. If the kids were visiting another family member or close family friends, and happened to talk to their mom, they didn't ask about coming home. Only when they talked to us did they want to come home.

Weird, I know, but because I've lived through it, I know it's true. At age 2 or 3, all they connected to were their primary caregivers - hubby and I.

Right now, as teens, is when they're longing for their "mom," more in a way of trying to resolve why she didn't raise them. Lots of behaviors are now surfacing that are explained by feelings of abandonment at young age, even tho we loved them, took care of them as if they were our own children, and were in the role of parents their whole lives.

Yes. I know just what you're talking about. I've witnessed exactly what you describe in families of friends and relatives. When the children reach adolescence, their affections shift toward the wayward parent. Like you said, they seek healing for the earlier injury. To the caregiver-parent, it feels like rejection, even when you understand the cause, as you do. I salute you for being a parent to those kids, and I'm sorry you're going through this stage of it now. Keep your chin up. It turns around dramatically when they grow up, especially when they become parents themselves.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Oops, with your excellent analysis, I forgot to ask: How do we know Casey went over the edge?

Well...we don't know, do we?

I still can't rule out an accident w/ Casey resorting to her m.o. of attempting to lie her way out of being responsible for it.

I haven't enough information to settle for myself which it is...and I've seen good cases made for intentional & accidental. Accidental certainly reconciles better with my sense of normalcy, and, yet, I can imagine a rage-induced, intentional act too. I can't to a well-planned scenario just yet...NOT that it isn't possible - I just haven't gotten a grasp of that one...yet.

 

[DazzlinDebSD]

What sent this mother over the edge? I had never heard a word about her before today. She isn't pretty or in the news...very similar (I'm afraid). My friend forwarded it to me because she knew I was following the Caylee story.

http://www.bnd.com/430/story/465279.html

I thought the same thing today when I saw this on CNN. Why is Casey's case any different than this one? Why do some cases get all the attention and others get none? Why didn't NG even mention a word about this case tonight? If Casey had just left Caylee in the trunk the media would already be on to their next case, no questions asked. Too bad that baby boy didn't have anybody looking for him.

 

[BondJamesBond]

So what you're saying if I understand correctly (forgive me. It's been a looooooooong day) is that Casey was rife with resentment. Cindy and Caylee share a loving bond, a bond Casey's never shared with anyone. Forced to make a choice, Caylee chooses Cindy, hands down. And to make it worse, they pay her the highest insult: indifference. Add to that cauldron a fight about money, responsibility, etc., etc., and yeah, I "absolutely" think she could've been pushed over the edge. I like your metaphor about the phone, too. Hmm..I wanna go ponder that one awhile. :waitasec:

...certainly not the first to say it. I've been trying to imagine what it would take to precipitate the intense passion that must've been necessary for Casey to resort to murder vs. just escaping the situation like she had before.

 

[BondJamesBond]

I thought the same thing today when I saw this on CNN. Why is Casey's case any different than this one? Why do some cases get all the attention and others get none? Why didn't NG even mention a word about this case tonight? If Casey had just left Caylee in the trunk the media would already be on to their next case, no questions asked. Too bad that baby boy didn't have anybody looking for him.

Good topic for a thread if it doesn't already exist IMHO.

 

[gitana1]

Along with what it was that sent her over the edge, I am very curious about the culmination of events that led her to this point. As cold as she seems now, I am sure that when Caylee was an infant, she never would have imagined that she would have done this. In situations when it's a one time killing of a family member, I just really wonder when things took the turn to where this was a possibility.

Wow! This is the most interesting thread I've read here in a while. You've all made wonderful observations. I agree the mother/daughter/grandaughter relationship is the crux of this tragedy. After reading Casey's statement to police and remarks from one or two of her friends, it's obvious to me that Casey desperately longs for her mother's approval but never quite measures up, and never did.

Casey was the kind of kid who has particular difficulty mastering self control. To a greater degree that most children, she required a firm, loving hand to teach her, a parent who would look at her with open eyes and say, "You're my daughter. I love you. I see your flaws, and I love them, too. Together we'll work to improve them." Cindy's hypocrisy prevented her from being that kind of mother. She was hellbent on shaping the perfect American family, and a "problem child" didn't fit in the picture. She overlooked the flaws when she could, and covered them up when she couldn't, as she's doing now. Any objections from George fell on deaf ears because she refused to see the truth. In doing so, she denied Casey the acceptance she needed to love herself. Nature failed. Nurture failed. And the result is the tragedy before us.

Just my humble opinion.

These are two very thought-provoking statements. I agree with french that casey likely did not imagine herself capable of such an act when Caylee was an infant. It is intertesting to note that in England, a woman cannot be prosecuted for murdering her child if the child is under a year old. That stems from an old concept that until around that age, the mother views the child as only an extension of herself, rather than a separate human being. So, when she kills her baby, it's more like suicide, rather than murder. Note Caylee was much past that age when she "disappeared". Don't know if this connects with what french was saying but it did make me think that it may have been easier for casey to do away with Caylee as she developed into more of an individual. Especially one who may have seemd to love grandma more than mom.
I also agree with Bessie that something went seriously wrong between mother Cindy and daughter casey. There is something pathological in that relationship. I feel that so strongly. I do believe this is where it all began.

 

[PassTheMotrin]

That would be a good topic for another thread, IMO. I believe there are many differences in that case compared to this one.

Bond, excellent twist on that convo and ITA with you. I've thought this since day three of this case.

That's when I figured Zanny the invisinanny was Xanax. Casey had to take care of Caylee for the first time and it interfered with her wants/needs. She didn't really have a babysitter and she gave Caylee Xanax to make her sleep in the car. (Nobody wants a toddler to wake up and let themselves out of the car while Mommy's shaking her booty, right?)

Therefore, Zanny was born to make it "okay" in Casey's mind. "Caylee's with Zanny, she's fine."

Except one night she gave Caylee too much and she didn't wake up.

That's when she started gleaning random info from MS and spinning her story.

 

[Salem]

O/T - I wonder if Casey has been taking Xanax for the past 4 years or so. As long as she has known Zanny the nanny?

Salem

 

[suspicious mind]

Caylee sent her over the edge. Caring for someone else takes giving up part of yourself. Casey could never do that.

 

[shadow of my mind]

With someone with BPD, if that is what Casey has, the one who agrees with them is your friend. The one who dosen't is their enemy and they ignore that person or if that person really doesn't agree with them and won't buy into what they are telling them and questioning them the BPDer may attempt at getting back at that person This could play a role in the whole House of Anthony. A BPD will creat elaborate plans to make what they want happen. My 1/2 sister planned her last 'event' for over 2 years before the actual day. She first created a reason to throw her youngest's father out so she could manuliplate the newly divorced man next door into handing over all of his fiance records to her. She paid his bills, cleaned his house and finaly got him to move in with her. Then she worked on getting him in big fights with his ex so he didn't see his kids except once a month. Then they went house hunting. He bought one and had her name put on the deed. Then she started in with her plan to kick him out. She found a women throuh a friend to start emailing him so she could accuse him of an affiar. Of course she was the one sending back the emails. Then she got him to leave and faked a sucide so she could get on SSI and assistance to stay in the house he bought. He drove her to it. Her life was worthless without him. Plus she opened a couple of credit cards in his name and took out cash advances and put the money in a bank account in just her name. Hid the bills so he would not know. Didin't pay some of the household bills so she could save up and was all ready to have the utilites changed into her name. She was good. She could look you in the eye and tell you a pack of lies but they did have little tiny bits of truth in them. That is how we figured out what she did and how she did it.
It took the family some time to figure it out but we did. This was not the first 'event' she had done. We went to court and how the children removed from her care. I am her big time enemy and I watch my back with her. It is so hard. I love her but I can't trust her or be around her. She is really good at sucking you into her world. I can understand where GA & CA are coming from. At least with trying to make excuses for Casey. My hubby and I went through 3 'event's' before we finally started to catch on. Then she moved so I didin't get to see the everyday details before she pulled this last one on this poor guy. Took him to the cleaners. He is so far in debt he will spend the rest of life just to keep his head above the water.

Kicking Casey out of the house may have been just the thing to push her into a plan to get back at Mom. I would have thought that Casey would have tried to smooth things over first to buy her some more time. Casey said she just needed one more day. It is hard to say. Pushed over the edge. If you add some other mental disorders in with the BPD maybe. Wish I could see a mental health review. That would answer some of these question.

 

[Straitfan]

Hey BondJamesBond, don't have patience at the end of the day to read everyone's post but my little 2 cents re: Casey is , yes, she very well could have left Caylee with the GP's, sure that option would have been the best given the rest of this case... My opinion is Casy's main concerned lies with HAVING a man and I believe had she not felt the need to "punish" the GP's by taken Caylee she could have left her there and pursed her "man or men". But given Cindy seems "overbearing" Casey may have chose to take a stance to let "cindy know" she could do as she wanted.. Hence, here we all are, a sweet child gone, a so called mom who won't talk and GP's who want to save their daughter versus losing both?!? Grandaughter and daughter.... I raised 2 boys and will say though sometimes it is hard to keep my mouth shut, I do, Cindy/Casey are a great example of how a parent/child relationship should not be handled.

 

[Mom of Five]

After reading a very interesting resource posted yesterday by another WS'er regarding statement analysis I took another (completely hack/amateur) look @ Casey's statement to LE about the phone call she received from Caylee on 7/15 ~NOON. My apolgies for the length, but, I put it all here for convenience.

DISCLAIMER: I edited this portion of the transcript down for brevity. I did not intentionally change the content. I omitted some exchanges where the detectives & Casey interrupt each other for clarity.

Here's my SPECULATION:

6/15 Cindy threatens Casey with filing for custody of Caylee. The intense argument ensues. In the midst of the shouting match w/ Cindy, Casey puts the ultimatum to Caylee, "Caylee! Do you want to stay with me (Casey) or grandma (Cindy)?!?! What's it going to be?!?":furious: Caylee is frightened and she does what any child in that situation would do, she goes in fear to her primary caregiver - Cindy. This sends Casey over the edge feeling Caylee has betrayed her and justified Cindy in the process. Casey thens sets out for revenge on defenseless Caylee at the next opportunity - exactly where/how TBD.

Q: What’d your daughter say to you?
A: She said, hi mommy. And she started to tell me a story talking to me about her shoes and books and…I tried to ask her where she was…and she just kept talking about the book that she’s…reading. We have videos of her reading the story and she’s telling me the story (inaudible)…a thousand times. She’s… [Casey conveniently uses the last video she saw of Casey reading the book as the basis for this lie-on-the-fly]
Q: …she seem happy and…
A: …fine. She seemed perfectly fine. There was nothing in the background.. [Casey, unprovoked, pre-empts the 'background' question indicating she's thinking in parallel about the plausiblity of her story]
Q: …no sign of any type of stress at all?
A: Not at all.
Q: Great that’s wonderful. Let me ask you a question. Your daughter hasn’t seen you in over a month and she’s not, she
A: She was excited, she was excited, sorry, to talk to me. But at the same time it’s crazy that she didn’t get upset when she talked to me. Which…had it been my mom…I know it would have been…totally different. [Casey didn't realize she completely left emotion out of her story until LE prompted her and struggled to recover. When she does recover she fantasizes about Caylee being excited (i.e. happy) with her and upset with Cindy - the reverse of the reality of 6/15 fight. She also reveals that the Caylee=Cindy relationship is "totally different" than Casey=Caylee.]
Q: …that makes sense to you?
A: She never gets upset when she talks to me. Whether I haven’t seen her for an entire day or if I had to work late at night I didn’t see her almost an entire day until the next one. [...more supplanting of Casey's reversal of reality. "Upset" may also be jealously saying that Caylee didn't seem to care if Casey came or went as long as Cindy was there.]
Q: The last time, the last time somebody took her and you didn’t see her for five weeks was when?
A: Never.
Q: Okay. Now you haven’t seen her in five weeks. Hasn’t been in her own home, hasn’t seen her mother in five weeks. That didn’t upset her.
A: She was fine.
Q: She was fine she talked about the, y’all talked about the book. I mean is all that stuff you’re saying true, right?
A: She’s always been like that though.I don’t understand…how, but she’s always been like that.
Q: Okay but I’m getting that, but let’s get back to you say this had never happened before.
A: Uh-huh
Q: She’s never not seen you for five weeks.
A: Uh-huh.
Q: Not talking to her mother okay. She finally talks to her mother after five weeks.
You’re…you ask her where she is. You begin asking her these questions and she just wants to talk about the book, she’s happy, she’s not worried, doesn’t seem upset.
A: She’s always like that. You can even ask my mom, she’s the same way. [Casey slips big time here and reveals that Caylee doesn't react to her, as in, she doesn't run to hug Casey when she's been gone...and Cindy's "the same way". In Casey's mind, neither Caylee or Cindy care for Casey...they have each other now.]
Q: Okay, let me go back to the, when was the last time you didn’t see her for five weeks? When was the last time something like this happened where she was gone and you didn’t see her for five weeks? The last time this happened when?
A: Never.
Q: Okay so this is the first time okay.
A: This is the first time I’ve been away from her for more than a day.
Q: Okay. The first time you ever been away from her for more than a day and she wasn’t the least bit upset?
A: No.
Q: When you talked to her on the phone that day?
A: She wasn’t the least bit upset when I talked to her.
Q: She went on about, you know I miss you mommy none of that I just…she talked like you said she talked about that book and all that stuff right that’s it?
A: And when I asked her to give the phone to another adult to somebody else she was fine, she was willing to do it, but the phone hung up. She doesn’t hang up phones. [The giving of the phone is a metaphor for what happened 6/15. Caylee was "willing to do it" (i.e. go to Cindy), but, "the phone hung up"...(i.e. I put a stop to that)

Sorry for the length. I just had to get it down in one spot.

I remember when I read this the first time, I came to the same conclucion. I think this is the one time that Casey shows us a little bit of what's going on inside her head.

 

[Straitfan]

The bottom line, Casey was the one who had the choose that effected Caylee, her life and her attachments. If Casey didn't want to deal with it all, she should have just let the parents take over... I had my son at 21 yrs old, worked full-time, health insurance, etc and didnt live with mommy and daddy.. It's a sacrafice, one either does it or not..(and we didn't live in the "hood", lol!) was married at the time, depends what kind of relationship one wants with there child I guess..

 

[PassTheMotrin]

The bottom line, Casey was the one who had the choose that effected Caylee, her life and her attachments. If Casey didn't want to deal with it all, she should have just let the parents take over... I had my son at 21 yrs old, worked full-time, health insurance, etc and didnt live with mommy and daddy.. It's a sacrafice, one either does it or not..(and we didn't live in the "hood", lol!) was married at the time, depends what kind of relationship one wants with there child I guess..

I agree with this. I had my oldest when I was 19 and didn't see the inside of a club until I was 25. Before that, I was too busy working two jobs and paying a sitter and bills, etc.; I sure couldn't afford to go party and I wasn't lying and stealing.