Voice of Reason
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BlueCrab said:Voice of Reason,
It's not a federal offense. It was a Boulder County, Colorado grand jury. It wasn't a federal grand jury.
It's universally known that state grand jury information is confidential and grand jurors cannot be approached until after either an indictment is issued or a written report is issued by the grand jury. But the Ramsey grand jury suspiciously did neither, thereby sealing forever the information they obtained after 13 months of investigations.
Moreover, on top of that the court issued an "expansive order" (over and above what is normally ordered) on the day the GJ permanently adjourned, blocking the public, under threat of imprisonment, from even inquiring about what the GJ uncovered. This extraordinary gag order by the court is why the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press is objecting.
All of this tells me the Colorado Children's Code, by law shielding the identity of children who are involved in a major crime, had been placed into effect that 13th day of October, 1999.
BlueCrab
i think you are jumping to a massive conclusion as to the implications of the "expansive order". point taken on the federal offense. regardless, the grand jury testimony cannot be legally leaked. take a step back for a moment, and think about what you are saying. here is a family who has lost a 6 year old daughter on xmas day, and just about the whole country thinks they killed her!
in america, you are innocent until proven guilty. nobody has ever suggested (although you seem to come close) that the grand jury did not do a complete job. were there charges to be filed, they would have filed them. but you are using the lack of filing charges and the expansive order as a means to imply guilt!!! don't you think that is exactly what the judge sought to deter? if you let so much as one shred of testimony go public, the media will run wild with it and concoct their own theories. i think that people here have all too much mistrust of the law enforcement and justice system in this country.
and by the way, do you have any knowledge of past cases involving such "expansive orders", because you seem to blindly state that this was over and above what is normally ordered. gag orders are issued all the time, especially in high profile cases. this was perhaps one of the most largely covered cases in the news. it's 2005, and we're still discussing it!! do you know how many crimes go unsolved? why does this one continue to generate discussion almost 10 years later? this seems like a text-book case for an expansive order on the grand jury testimony...