txsvicki
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Didn't both sisters let themselves go? They looked fine to me, not being critical, but pics of both being quite overweight doesn't jive with the beauty queen image. I'll bet Nedra made plenty of comments about weight.
Didn't both sisters let themselves go? They looked fine to me, not being critical, but pics of both being quite overweight doesn't jive with the beauty queen image. I'll bet Nedra made plenty of comments about weight.
I don't remember Paulette being involved in the pageant life. Or is that who you meant?
She also had a mustache and apparently didn't know about waxing :doh:[meow] I never saw PR as being "wow" attractive, even in her pageant days. I think she was somewhere between "well, she doesn't scare people" and "meh" [/meow]
(sometimes I swim in the shallow end of the pool)
Likewise, Meara. I'm an old vet of this case. I wish I could say I was not.
I have no solid basis to believe that Patsy or her sisters were abused, either by their father of someone else in the family. BUT, there are some things that seem to yell out to me. Here's an example. One night, my brother and I were drinking a bit, and he said, "Ya know, Guv, I think there was abuse in PR's family."
"What do you mean, Mate?"
"Think about it: the two oldest sisters were known for their looks, right? Doesn't it strike you a bit odd that the sister (meaning Pamela) never got married, never had kids and let her looks and weight go so badly?"
I have to admit, I've looked at things differently since then.
I also agree with the assessment about Nedra. God only knows what she was like toward her daughters. I don't think she had a very healthy relationship with her daughters. Call that a hunch, if you will.
Hi Ma:Sadly, I don't think it was that deeply twisted. Recently I watched someone I have known my whole life behave completely out of character and perpetrate highly delusional acts. Seems the explanation by the physician is common of a person who sufferes cancer metastisized to the brain. She was both homicidal and suicidal, severely erratic, uncontrollable mood swings, hallucinations, etc. I believe that Patsy was suffering the effects of cancer in her brain and killed her own daughter and made it to look like a kidnapping, and murder by an obsessed fan. She may not have even remembered it.![]()
I believe the term is "conflict of interest."
There's always the possibility that she was the object in motion and hit something else.
Dave, I got too tired to keep writing. When I came back, it was as though you and your brother had magically completed my thoughts! Yes, Pam is the sister I had in mind and for exactly the reasons you stated. qtf's post develops the picture a step further with the correlation between childhood sexual abuse and adult obesity. Your hunch is spot on, IMO.
If Nedra Had NPD, as I believe, here is some of what her daughters would have experienced:
intrusive in their lives but not nurturing (may have been seen as "energetic" or "fun")
subtley competitive and critical
treated the girls as extensions of herself
basked in their accomplishments while also finding sly ways to undermine them
trained them to be compliant by making the psychological cost of autonomy too high
a different person at home than the one other people saw
demeaning and belittling in deniable ways
played the Queen Bee
did not admit faults/mistakes or apologize
did what she wanted to do in the guise of generosity
rewrote history; retold events the way she wanted them to be, or in a way that showed off how [insert attractive quality here] she was
got even later for perceived slights
forgot/ignored the girls' needs/interests if they did not interest her personally or reflect well on her
would have used denial to make the problem of incest "go away"
A mother like this invades and occupies her daughters' psyches, essentially displacing their sense of self. This leads to poor boundaries, high compliance (difficulty saying no to people or expectations), and hunger for affection and approval. Attractivenes boosts them from good to excellent targets for sexual abuse. They're good at covering up, looking good while keeping secrets.
Do you happen to know whether any of the Paugh sisters had a drinking problem? That would be a very significant marker for sexual abuse, by itself, and even moreso in combination with Nedra's disorder and adult obesity.
Sadly, I don't think it was that deeply twisted. Recently I watched someone I have known my whole life behave completely out of character and perpetrate highly delusional acts. Seems the explanation by the physician is common of a person who suffers cancer metastisized to the brain. She was both homicidal and suicidal, severely erratic, uncontrollable mood swings, hallucinations, etc. I believe that Patsy was suffering the effects of cancer in her brain and killed her own daughter and made it to look like a kidnapping, and murder by an obsessed fan. She may not have even remembered it.![]()