Why would the Ramseys need to stage?

[Tawny]

It wasn't clear.

 

[DeDee]

March 1999

Wood said he expects to file a suit against the Globe early next week. Like an earlier suit, this one will claim the tabloid libeled Burke Ramsey in a November 1998 story that asserted Burke had killed his sister, JonBenét Ramsey.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jon032800.htm

May 13, 1999

“The cops’ first inkling of suspicion came the morning after JonBenét's body was found in the basement room when Burke was taken to a friend’s house without asking a single question about why all the police were in his house – or where his sister was.

“Two weeks later, Burke shocked a police psychologist by shouting: ‘I know what happened. She was killed. Someone took her quietly and took her down in the basement … took a knife out … hit her on the head.”

At that point, only the police knew that Burke’s Swiss Army knife had been found next to JonBenét's body.

http://nypost.com/1999/05/13/jealous-brother-9-killed-jonbenet-in-a-rage-claims-tab/


Nov 8, 1999

L. Lin Wood said last week that the Ramsey's will file a lawsuit against The Star in federal court in Atlanta in the next few weeks.

Last May, The Star ran a cover story with the blaring headline, "Burke Did It.''

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jon032800.htm



The Ramsey's never saw the inside of a courtroom although their defense team filed numerous lawsuits on their behalf.

They settled with ST out of court in March 2002. [Patsy's cancer returned in Feb. 2002] http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/ramseys-settle-book-libel-suit

The Ramsey's settled with The Globe in March 2001. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/ramseys-settle-with-tabloid-over-jonbenet-murder-stories

The Ramsey's settled with The Star in May 2000. http://www.acandyrose.com/11301999burkevsstar.htm

 

[UKGuy]

March 1999

Wood said he expects to file a suit against the Globe early next week. Like an earlier suit, this one will claim the tabloid libeled Burke Ramsey in a November 1998 story that asserted Burke had killed his sister, JonBenét Ramsey.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jon032800.htm

May 13, 1999

“The cops’ first inkling of suspicion came the morning after JonBenét's body was found in the basement room when Burke was taken to a friend’s house without asking a single question about why all the police were in his house – or where his sister was.

“Two weeks later, Burke shocked a police psychologist by shouting: ‘I know what happened. She was killed. Someone took her quietly and took her down in the basement … took a knife out … hit her on the head.”

At that point, only the police knew that Burke’s Swiss Army knife had been found next to JonBenét's body.

http://nypost.com/1999/05/13/jealous-brother-9-killed-jonbenet-in-a-rage-claims-tab/


Nov 8, 1999

L. Lin Wood said last week that the Ramsey's will file a lawsuit against The Star in federal court in Atlanta in the next few weeks.

Last May, The Star ran a cover story with the blaring headline, "Burke Did It.''

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jon032800.htm



The Ramsey's never saw the inside of a courtroom although their defense team filed numerous lawsuits on their behalf.

They settled with ST out of court in March 2002. [Patsy's cancer returned in Feb. 2002] http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/ramseys-settle-book-libel-suit

The Ramsey's settled with The Globe in March 2001. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/ramseys-settle-with-tabloid-over-jonbenet-murder-stories

The Ramsey's settled with The Star in May 2000. http://www.acandyrose.com/11301999burkevsstar.htm

DeDee,
The BBM phrase also, how come he knew she had been whacked on the head, some here think she fell and hit her head, was BR standing around whilst the parents casually discussed JonBenet's head injuries? mmm ...

IMO BR had been prepped to leave the house, he knew what was expected irrespective of his involvement.

Surely some of the answers are in JonBenet's and BR's medical records, another thing that is curious is that all those close to the R's, that have now been dumped, have so little to say, yet they definitely know something. Remember they were going to discuss JonBenet's behavour with PR. So why has that remained such an opaque subject, similarly Susan Stine, where did she go?

Yet Doug Stine and BR remain friends to this day, now there's a thought to consider?


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[Linda7NJ]

DeDee,

The BBM phrase also, how come he knew she had been whacked on the head, some here think she fell and hit her head, was BR standing around whilst the parents casually discussed JonBenet's head injuries? mmm ...



IMO BR had been prepped to leave the house, he knew what was expected irrespective of his involvement.



Surely some of the answers are in JonBenet's and BR's medical records, another thing that is curious is that all those close to the R's, that have now been dumped, have so little to say, yet they definitely know something. Remember they were going to discuss JonBenet's behavour with PR. So why has that remained such an opaque subject, similarly Susan Stine, where did she go?



Yet Doug Stine and BR remain friends to this day, now there's a thought to consider?





.

How do we know they're friends still to this day?


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[UKGuy]

How do we know they're friends still to this day?


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Linda7NJ,
There was some stuff between them publicly available on facebook.

Since then it might have been removed or they have new accounts.

Your favorite Search Engine might have archived their messages, so if you are good at boolean searches you might find something?

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[DeDee]

May 13, 1999

“The cops’ first inkling of suspicion came the morning after JonBenét's body was found in the basement room when Burke was taken to a friend’s house without asking a single question about why all the police were in his house – or where his sister was.

“Two weeks later, Burke shocked a police psychologist by shouting: ‘I know what happened. She was killed. Someone took her quietly and took her down in the basement … took a knife out … hit her on the head.”

At that point, only the police knew that Burke’s Swiss Army knife had been found next to JonBenét's body.

I thought it odd that he mentioned a knife [and so did the reporter for the stated fact that it had been a closely guarded secret the police kept from the public about the knife] being found in the WC hellhole.

You find it odd that he [already] knew there was a hit to her head. Could his parents have told him that much about his sister's death, that is, if the AR had been revealed to them at that point?

DeDee,
The BBM phrase also, how come he knew she had been whacked on the head, some here think she fell and hit her head, was BR standing around whilst the parents casually discussed JonBenet's head injuries? mmm ...

IMO BR had been prepped to leave the house, he knew what was expected irrespective of his involvement.

Surely some of the answers are in JonBenet's and BR's medical records, another thing that is curious is that all those close to the R's, that have now been dumped, have so little to say, yet they definitely know something. Remember they were going to discuss JonBenet's behavour with PR. So why has that remained such an opaque subject, similarly Susan Stine, where did she go?

Yet Doug Stine and BR remain friends to this day, now there's a thought to consider?

.

I recall reading a while back that Glenn Stine, who initially worked for JR in Atlanta, following the murder, lost his job when JRs business folded. Some time after the move to Atlanta, Patsy and Susan Stine no longer spoke although JR and GS remained cordial, and quite possibly remain so to this very day. It would make sense that DS and BR remain friends since their fathers are.

 

[icedtea4me]

For years I have seen the Hi-Tec logo found in the wine cellar referred to as a poon. And for years I took it for granted that it was called just that, a poon. Now I'm wondering how the word poon came to be synonymous with logo because I see nothing here that equates logo with poon.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/logo/1

Maybe it's simply one of those urban legend things that has no origin. However... this morning I thought of another meaning of the word poon that, given the nature of this crime, I was surprised hadn't occurred to me earlier.

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/poon

 

[DeeDee249]

I thought it odd that he mentioned a knife [and so did the reporter for the stated fact that it had been a closely guarded secret the police kept from the public about the knife] being found in the WC hellhole.

You find it odd that he [already] knew there was a hit to her head. Could his parents have told him that much about his sister's death, that is, if the AR had been revealed to them at that point?



I recall reading a while back that Glenn Stine, who initially worked for JR in Atlanta, following the murder, lost his job when JRs business folded. Some time after the move to Atlanta, Patsy and Susan Stine no longer spoke although JR and GS remained cordial, and quite possibly remain so to this very day. It would make sense that DS and BR remain friends since their fathers are.

His parents claim they never discussed the circumstances of JB's death with their son. Of course, they didn't really need to. He knew because he was there. They also claim to have never discussed the circumstances of their daughter's death with LE and they never read the autopsy report. I don't blame them for that- I think any parent would have difficulty reading the autopsy of a loved one. But I can't think of ANY parent who wouldn't want to know how their child died. Unless of course, they already knew...

 

[UKGuy]

I thought it odd that he mentioned a knife [and so did the reporter for the stated fact that it had been a closely guarded secret the police kept from the public about the knife] being found in the WC hellhole.

You find it odd that he [already] knew there was a hit to her head. Could his parents have told him that much about his sister's death, that is, if the AR had been revealed to them at that point?



I recall reading a while back that Glenn Stine, who initially worked for JR in Atlanta, following the murder, lost his job when JRs business folded. Some time after the move to Atlanta, Patsy and Susan Stine no longer spoke although JR and GS remained cordial, and quite possibly remain so to this very day. It would make sense that DS and BR remain friends since their fathers are.

DeDee,
Yes, good point well made. The parents were never going to say we discussed X with Y if it had any bearing on the case.

I reckon DS knows what happened on Christmas night because BR told him. There was stuff going on between DS, and BR in the form of a sleepover, this has been documented, so at some point in the future it would not surprise me, to see DS on TV outlining how he thinks JonBenet died.

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[WhereAreTheyNow]

For years I have seen the Hi-Tec logo found in the wine cellar referred to as a poon. And for years I took it for granted that it was called just that, a poon. Now I'm wondering how the word poon came to be synonymous with logo because I see nothing here that equates logo with poon.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/logo/1

Maybe it's simply one of those urban legend things that has no origin. However... this morning I thought of another meaning of the word poon that, given the nature of this crime, I was surprised hadn't occurred to me earlier.

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/poon

How bizarre. I can only find the term "poon" in connection with this case.

PMPT Page 746sb

"The shoe imprint found near JonBenet's body was the second piece of evidence. Ron Gosage had compiled a list of more than six hundred people who had been in the Ramseys' house during the six months prior to JonBenet's death. He had gotten in touch with more than four hundred of those people, and not one of them had ever worn or owned that kind of Hi-Tec hiking shoe. The imprint was of the "poon"-the area on the sole at the heel where the brand name is stamped. The size of shoe couldn't be determined from the imprint, since the poon is the same size in all shoes, the better to advertise brands. Unless the detectives could match the shoe to someone who had been cleared of the crime by other means, the possibility existed that it was the killer who had left the shoe imprint.

 

[DeeDee249]

How bizarre. I can only find the term "poon" in connection with this case.

PMPT Page 746sb

"The shoe imprint found near JonBenet's body was the second piece of evidence. Ron Gosage had compiled a list of more than six hundred people who had been in the Ramseys' house during the six months prior to JonBenet's death. He had gotten in touch with more than four hundred of those people, and not one of them had ever worn or owned that kind of Hi-Tec hiking shoe. The imprint was of the "poon"-the area on the sole at the heel where the brand name is stamped. The size of shoe couldn't be determined from the imprint, since the poon is the same size in all shoes, the better to advertise brands. Unless the detectives could match the shoe to someone who had been cleared of the crime by other means, the possibility existed that it was the killer who had left the shoe imprint.

That type of shoe is often worn by Police and contractors. One person we KNOW had that brand of shoe was BR. Though his parents denied it, he told police himself he had a pair. One of his friends also said that BR had a pair. They had a compass that was attached to the laces.

 

[andreww]

That type of shoe is often worn by Police and contractors. One person we KNOW had that brand of shoe was BR. Though his parents denied it, he told police himself he had a pair. One of his friends also said that BR had a pair. They had a compass that was attached to the laces.

Didn't Burke originally deny it? Something about thinking the investigator meant a "high tech boot"? Or was that Patsy?


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[UKGuy]

That type of shoe is often worn by Police and contractors. One person we KNOW had that brand of shoe was BR. Though his parents denied it, he told police himself he had a pair. One of his friends also said that BR had a pair. They had a compass that was attached to the laces.

DeeDee249,
Thanks for reminding us. That is another piece of forensic evidence that links BR directly with the wine-cellar, not to mention the opening of the Christmas Gifts, i.e. size-12's?

 

[BoldBear]

Thanks for reminding us. That is another piece of forensic evidence that links BR directly with the wine-cellar, not to mention the opening of the Christmas Gifts, i.e. size-12's?

UKGuy,

I have no objections to the BR theories, but if it was his shoe print, is their any evidence that it was created that night? The problem with finding Ramsey evidence in that room is that they lived there. He could have been in that room before the murder ever happened or he could have been connected to it. The shoe print is evidence but I don't know how to interpret it.

The fact that his boots have never been found raises a lot of questions.

In my opinion, of course.

 

[andreww]

UKGuy,

I have no objections to the BR theories, but if it was his shoe print, is their any evidence that it was created that night? The problem with finding Ramsey evidence in that room is that they lived there. He could have been in that room before the murder ever happened or he could have been connected to it. The shoe print is evidence but I don't know how to interpret it.

The fact that his boots have never been found raises a lot of questions.

In my opinion, of course.

I don't think it raises questions, but it does give an explanation to that footprint that at one point was trying to be passed off as that of an intruder. Of course none of the Ramsey's could remember Burke's fancy, expensive boots, another piece of fuel for the fire. Funny how Jonn, Patsy and Burke all forgot about them but their neighbor remembered them quite clearly.

Was that print made that night? Who knows, but I think we can say with certainty that it didn't come from an intruder.


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[UKGuy]

UKGuy,

I have no objections to the BR theories, but if it was his shoe print, is their any evidence that it was created that night? The problem with finding Ramsey evidence in that room is that they lived there. He could have been in that room before the murder ever happened or he could have been connected to it. The shoe print is evidence but I don't know how to interpret it.

The fact that his boots have never been found raises a lot of questions.

In my opinion, of course.

BoldBear,
ITA. Just because BR lives in the house does not mean he never created that footprint the night JonBenet died.

Here is another way to look at it, we have evidence linking BR to the Breakfast Bar, e.g. fingerprint, we have evidence linking BR to the wine-cellar, e.g. touch-dna, and the footprint.

Assuming the Christmas Gifts were always in the wine-cellar, James Kolar states that BR opened these gifts Christmas afternoon, so there is a reason for his footprint arriving on the same day.

One interpretation of the footprint is that it suggests that the wine-cellar played another role in the death of JonBenet, apart from that of staging location?

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[DeeDee249]

UKGuy,

I have no objections to the BR theories, but if it was his shoe print, is their any evidence that it was created that night? The problem with finding Ramsey evidence in that room is that they lived there. He could have been in that room before the murder ever happened or he could have been connected to it. The shoe print is evidence but I don't know how to interpret it.

The fact that his boots have never been found raises a lot of questions.

In my opinion, of course.

There is no way to "date" a shoeprint-like a fingerprint- their presence can only be sourced to a particular date and time by circumstantial evidence- for example, if there had been a photo taken in the winecellar the day before that showed NO shoe print. As far as fingerprints- if not sourced to someone in the home and/or someone known to be in the home at the time of a crime, there is no other way to "date" them. An intruder's print on the duct tape, pineapple bowl, glass etc. would make me take a second look. As it is now, the only prints/fibers on these items belong to family members known to have been in the home at the time JB was killed. As for the Hi-Tec poon print- the "missing" BR shoes would still not prove the print came from him. Many people were in that room that day who were likely to be wearing Hi-Tecs (police, FBI, etc). BR may have outgrown the shoes and no longer had them. What does make me suspicious is the fact that BR told police himself that he owned a pair and his friend also told police that BR owned a pair, so when the parents denied it, that raises a huge red flag to me. What puzzles me about the print is that if it were from someone walking around staging the body, there should be more of them. Yet if had been there previously, why wasn't it obliterated by whoever WAS walking around staging the body? Supposedly, the housekeeper's husband had been in there before Christmas because he was helping with bringing out all the R's Christmas trees that were stored in there. Did police ask whether he had a pair? If so the poon could have been checked to see if it matched.

 

[BoldBear]

That was a lot of work, DeeDee. Thank you.

I don't want to spend a lot of time on this because I don't think it raises the level of the discussion, but I almost have that crazy CSI expectation. You know the questions...

If so many people have been in this room then why did this print stand-out in white mold?

Wouldn't there be lots of prints? (I know that there were barefoot prints.) Why no other shoes?

What could have been on the bottom of this shoe to do this?

Was it because it was a new shoe and there were finishing chemicals that killed the mold? (Kolar's book talked about it being a new shoe.)

I don't expect any answers to those questions, but I do wonder.

When we discuss the shoe, I can't help to think about the chapter in DOI where John lists the intruder evidence. Most of the items on his list were dismissed as not being connected to an intruder but John was using it as evidence to convince the public. This is a really bad position to be in, to rely on a stack of so-called evidence and have it crumble. At that point, the only thing to do is to try not to talk about it and to deny it when confronted.

All in my opinion.

 

[CorallaroC]

Hey BoldBear, your mention of barefoot prints got my attn because I don't recall ever reading about that. Im not asking in order to challenge you, I'm just curious where that info came from.

 

[OliviaG1996]

Reading about the Hi-Tec boot-print got me thinking about the basement in general and how the state of the carpet- especially near the basement window- would have been affected. I don't know where most IDIs believe the intruder gained access to the house, but the main theory I've heard is that he/she/they came in through the basement window and left the same way. If that's true, wouldn't there also be dirt and wet spots from melted snow left under the window, since the intruder goes from directly stepping on the ground outdoors to stepping on the carpet? I've watched the police footage showing the area of the basement window and saw no dirt on the carpet, and haven't read anything stating the carpet was the least bit damp.