I would like to hear that 911 call.
WI - Jason Pero, 14, shot & killed by police, Ashland County, 8 Nov 2017
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I would like to hear that 911 call.
Me too.
Now what would be a logical reason for him to call police on himself?
Do you think Jason Pero couldn't understand commands to drop the knife? And why did he call police on himself in the first place? Do you think the officer involved had sufficient time to know he was mentally unstable or do you think the officer just wanted to kill someone that day? Please describe the situation the officer faced and how much time he had to react.
This case might be difficult to prove in court IMO. First they have to establish the youth Jason has committed a crime? Where is the evidence? Were there witnesses to the shooting? Did Jason have mental health issues or any other health problems at all? It doesn't state in the msm article posted on here that Jason had a knife, but was carrying a cellphone. What is that all about?
Not if he was having a psychotic episode, no. And LE better have the knife recovered from the scene IMO.
Was he having a psychotic episode when he called police on himself?
We don't really know at this time what he was doing IMO.
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Does Wisconsin law apply on the Reservations?
With respect to civil jurisdiction over Indians,the state's authority is limited. Under Supreme Court rulings, Public Law 280 only gives the stat courts concurrent civil adjudicatory jurisdiction. See Bryan v. Itasca County, 426 U.S. 373 (1976). The state does not possess civil regulatory jurisdiction on an Indian reservation. the dividing line between criminal and civil regulatory jurisdiction has been the subject of litigation in Wisconsin and in other states. See e.g. State v. LeMieux, 106 Wis. 2d 484 (Ct. App. 1982) (Transportation of uncased firearms is in civil regulatory category and therefore state does not have jurisdiction to enforce Wis. Stat. § 29.224 against tribal members on the Bad River Reservation.); In re Commitment of Burgess, 2003 WI 71 (Wis. Ch. 980 proceedings are criminal in nature and therefore state court has jurisdiction over reservation tribal members for Wis. Ch. 980 proceedings)
http://wtja.org/faqs.php
Does Wisconsin law apply on the Reservations?
With respect to civil jurisdiction over Indians,the state's authority is limited. Under Supreme Court rulings, Public Law 280 only gives the stat courts concurrent civil adjudicatory jurisdiction. See Bryan v. Itasca County, 426 U.S. 373 (1976). The state does not possess civil regulatory jurisdiction on an Indian reservation. the dividing line between criminal and civil regulatory jurisdiction has been the subject of litigation in Wisconsin and in other states. See e.g. State v. LeMieux, 106 Wis. 2d 484 (Ct. App. 1982) (Transportation of uncased firearms is in civil regulatory category and therefore state does not have jurisdiction to enforce Wis. Stat. § 29.224 against tribal members on the Bad River Reservation.); In re Commitment of Burgess, 2003 WI 71 (Wis. Ch. 980 proceedings are criminal in nature and therefore state court has jurisdiction over reservation tribal members for Wis. Ch. 980 proceedings)
http://wtja.org/faqs.php
Not so sure he was having a psychotic episode. IMO it's much more likely, given his age and physical description, that he was suffering from depression; I would definitely look into the possibility of bullying by his peers.
I would like to see it verified that Jason was even carrying a knife? The MSM article i read didn't state that. And as far as i know carrying a weapon isn't illegal. It is also a civil matter per the article i posted about the transportation of uncased firearms of which the state doesn't have jurisdiction against tribal members on the Bad River reservation. A knife i gather could also be classified as a weapon, if in fact Jason even had one, so wouldn't that also be under the same civil law? And so far there is also no proof that Jason had committed a crime that i am aware of.
More details emerge about police shooting of teenage boy in northern Wisconsin
Relatives have questioned whether the boy had a knife. The Wisconsin Department of Justice, which is investigating the incident, has said a knife was recovered from the scene.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_e5587702-d3c7-5fe4-84dd-9e28709eaa5d.html
I think the crime would come in when he lunged at the officer with the knife.
I couldnt tell you. He may not have been thinking logically.
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Pero's grandfather, Alan Pero, described Jason as someone who "never had one mean bone in his body." Gauthier said her son was "a big teddy bear" and "everybody loved him."
Bad River Band Chairman Robert Blanchard said he has not heard directly from sheriff's officials about why Pero was shot and he questioned why the deputy had to take the teen's life.
"This is a tragedy that should not have happened. There's other ways to do things than to pull out a gun and shoot him," Blanchard said.
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news...ons-Jason-Pero-Deputy-Shooting-456649563.html
Pero's grandfather, Alan Pero, described Jason as someone who "never had one mean bone in his body." Gauthier said her son was "a big teddy bear" and "everybody loved him."
Bad River Band Chairman Robert Blanchard said he has not heard directly from sheriff's officials about why Pero was shot and he questioned why the deputy had to take the teen's life.
"This is a tragedy that should not have happened. There's other ways to do things than to pull out a gun and shoot him," Blanchard said.
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news...ons-Jason-Pero-Deputy-Shooting-456649563.html
Was the officer wearing a body cam? It would be helpful if there was video to confirm that he had a weapon and actually lunged at the officer, right? Trying to be fair to both sides here. Sadly there some cases of officers planting evidence.
Totally agree especially after following the Steven Avery & Brendan Dassey cases in WI.
Here is some info. on knife rights in the state of Wisconsin
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At the signing, Knife Rights Chairman Doug Ritter presented Governor Walker with a Pro-Tech TR-4 automatic (switchblade) knife specially engraved with the state seal and his name and dedication during the signing ceremony.
Speaking of the new law he was signing, and echoing Ritter's statement that Knife Rights is the Second Front in Defense of the Second Amendment, the governor said, “Wisconsin citizens have the fundamental right to defend themselves and feel safe and secure in their homes and we remain committed to protecting those rights.”
https://www.ammoland.com/2016/02/knife-rights-wisconsin-knife-law-reform-bill-signed/
If it was not a crime for Jason to be carrying a knife if in fact he was, why was he apprehended by LE?
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At the signing, Knife Rights Chairman Doug Ritter presented Governor Walker with a Pro-Tech TR-4 automatic (switchblade) knife specially engraved with the state seal and his name and dedication during the signing ceremony.
Speaking of the new law he was signing, and echoing Ritter's statement that Knife Rights is the Second Front in Defense of the Second Amendment, the governor said, “Wisconsin citizens have the fundamental right to defend themselves and feel safe and secure in their homes and we remain committed to protecting those rights.”
https://www.ammoland.com/2016/02/knife-rights-wisconsin-knife-law-reform-bill-signed/
If it was not a crime for Jason to be carrying a knife if in fact he was, why was he apprehended by LE?
Because he refused to drop the knife and lunged at the officer twice.
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Well that's what the LEO has said, but where is the proof of that? Why wasn't his body cam turned on? And the point is it wasn't illegal for Jason to have a knife so the LEO had no business to interfere with Jason unless he was in the commission of a crime. And i want to know why that LEO thought he had the right on tribal land to do what he did, because from what i read about the law pertaining to that, he had no jurisdiction to do so. All IMO.
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What a tragedy !!
Condolences to the teen's family.
I have to wonder what else was going on at his school, with his friends/social media, or home --- that he weighed that much ?
It's unhealthy for an adult-- but terrible for a teen and besides the health risks, I'd bet he was a target for bullies.
But a 300 lb. 5' 9" teen looked like a man to the cop--- he (the policeman) didn't see a child.
And since JP called 911 to report a large, armed man--- the cop isn't expected to know it was a teen.
I feel for that officer. My friend's son is planning to work in LE .
Every law enforcement officer deserves to go home at the end of the day.
This is a sad case. Wonder what was so terrible about his life that he wanted to die ?
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