Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

[MassGuy]

Someone mentioned he had applied for a job the day Jayme was found. Is there a link for that or any info on it? tia

Yup. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ka...entId=89-ceebd3e0-10dc-4c8a-a42d-b40415f0970b

 

[MassGuy]

I think you're right. The level of rage you had to be experiencing to shoot someone right in the face would typically tell LE and FBI that this was personal vendetta against the Closs parents. I really think they thought they'd find the killer in plain sight - ex boyfriend, work subordinate given a review... The murders were really over the top.

This story is giving me nightmares. It breaks my heart when I wake up and realize it's just a dream. Jayme can't. I wish we could just erase her memory of all of this.

I mean, they had nothing to work with. A couple of dead parents, both shot with a shotgun, and a missing girl.

You’re right, that would probably be interpreted as a rage killing (even with the kidnapping).

If you were to take 100 situations like this, almost all of them would be motivated by a personal grievance, it’s an incredibly safe bet.

This was just a spectacularly unusual crime.

 

[SeekingJana]

1000%


Not trying to be dramatic, but Barron's LE knew the depth of deep ish they were stepping in when they arrived, and made appropriate measures to receive the assistance required for the most positive outcome they could anticipate.

We all want desperately to see a quicker recovery and closure, but they played the long game. What piques my curiosity is how much of this was cooperation between agencies.

Thank you!! ( and @MassGuy, thank you also!)
I agree that Sheriff Fitzgerald was extremely quick to call the FBI in, and for that, I praise that dear man to the sky.
Few LE will do this until a case is so cold, hope is a distant flicker in the past.

I suspected they had determined or strongly believed the perp. was following the crime on MSM. Otherwise, the aunts wouldn't have gone on national TV in the midst of what had to be fear that maybe the violence against their family hadn't ended.
Once I saw them with the props, the dog and the Starbucks drink, I thought " Humanizing her or attempting to do so to a ASPD" and I wondered how they thought they could humanize anyone to a psychopath. Maybe they knew his age was very young adult and he MIGHT lack SOME of the traits of the fully formed, older ASPD, who thrive on almost CONTINUAL destruction and criminal behavior after 3 critical crimes such as the Closs family crimes.
Maybe they knew the different family addresses and property ownership and thought a relative could get to their unsub and get her out peacefully, IDK....

I hope the BCSD let the behavioral profilers and the kidnapping specialist team work independently of the field work. Boots on ground does a lot of good in most cases, but I'm not at all sure his location would have been in one of their compass circles.
Thank you so much

 

[mtnlites]

Something very strange about this situation, mother taking on JTP general mail while father shelters him?

What is going on that the Eau Claire Estates address wasn't sufficient?

If we can presume JTP picked up his mail at his mother's home, legally living 'off the radar' at the father's property, driving sibling's vehicle (likely fueled from siphoned gas), soliciting strangers money to do random tasks, while building an impressive resume as a 'quitter'... these smaller aspects all sound like trouble even if not added together.

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Do we KNOW that JP siphoned fuel from other vehicles, picked up his mail at his mother's, and solicited strangers' money for random tasks?

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[Wrenny]

With all due respect, they took a box in Rice Lake, probably to keep packages away from their home address/deliveries/town and for safety and privacy would be my guess.

My guess was that the PO Box is in Rice Lake because that's where the person who is doing it lives.

 

[kkdj]

Do you think the FBI, who had boots on ground for some time, and also advised them after they'd gone to another crime scene, had a good profiler who determined this was likely the work of a sadistic stranger ASPD violent person?
If so, do you think any of the pressers were designed to appeal directly to him, or help prevent Jayme's demise?

The pressers struck me that LE wanted the perp to think they didn't have much info and the family reaching out to Jayme kinda telling her to escape. So, somewhere in there I think they figured it was a stranger abduction who wanted to keep her against her will. Bringing her dog with them, talking about her sweatshirt, coffee were things that might give her the will to escape. I think the P/C's were very thought out.

 

[Lillymac]

Closs case suspect applied for liquor store job the day of teen's escape

Thanks!

 

[SeekingJana]

The pressers struck me that LE wanted the perp to think they didn't have much info and the family reaching out to Jayme kinda telling her to escape. So, somewhere in there I think they figured it was a stranger abduction who wanted to keep her against her will. Bringing her dog with them, talking about her sweatshirt, coffee were things that might give her the will to escape. I think the P/C's were very thought out.

I agree that they were at the earliest stages. Later on, they went quiet, of course, and this may have been the "long game" Tmith was referring to.
They knew it but we really couldn't.

 

[TCIntriguedIN30]

Someone mentioned he had applied for a job the day Jayme was found. Is there a link for that or any info on it? tia

Suspect applied for job on same day Closs escaped, describing himself as a 'hardworking guy'

 

[SeekingJana]

Thanks!

Is it coincidence that every job I know he applied for was related to consumable products? Was his plan to steal them for self- consumption?

 

[Lillymac]

Yup. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kare11.com/amp/article?section=news&subsection=local&headline=patterson-applied-for-job-the-day-before-jayme-closs-escape&contentId=89-ceebd3e0-10dc-4c8a-a42d-b40415f0970b

Thank you!
That is really scary to me!
Apply for a job when you are hiding a victim.
And the job was at night?
What we're his plans for Jayme? That is just frightening!!

 

[girlhasnoname]

I mean, they had nothing to work with. A couple of dead parents, both shot with a shotgun, and a missing girl.

You’re right, that would probably be interpreted as a rage killing (even with the kidnapping).

If you were to take 100 situations like this, almost all of them would be motivated by a personal grievance, it’s an incredibly safe bet.

This was just a spectacularly unusual crime.

One for the criminal profiler's book I'd say.

 

[desertstorm]

It's obvious you have no idea how 911 works, or how how extensive the training is for emergency telecommunications. The dispatcher is going attempt to confirm the validity of the call, and considering the shock of hearing that Jayme had been located it was not wrong for the dispatcher to question the caller about that reported fact. Additionally, it is common practice for a second dispatcher to get units en route while the initial dispatcher is on the 911 call obtaining information. That is likely what happened here. Having another dispatcher send the responding units allows for the dispatcher who is on the 911 call to maintain contact with the caller without interruption and can be imperative in critical calls such as this. It is not always possible, but very valuable when it is. There is no "spin" on the response time. Officers got there as quickly as they could considering the distance they had to travel, and the road conditions. It's not like they stopped for a donut and coffee on the way. They busted their adam sam sam's to get to Jayme. Your repeated criticism of the dispatchers and responding officers is uncalled for and offensive.

I'm shocked at the Monday morning quarter backing going on with the police and dispatchers. I have listened to the 911 call and feel the dispatcher did an outstanding job, a job that is very difficult to say the least. Being a rural area with very large areas to cover, I feel the police response time was excellent and handled properly. I think everyone, should be happy at the outcome of this sad and unfortunate event. Everyone involved did a great job including the neighbors and most importantly Jayme.

 

[sumzero]

Tough to say.

In his 48 Hours interview, the sheriff said that they spent quite a bit of time focusing on co workers at the Jennie O’s plant.

As they were being aided by the FBI, it’s likely that their profile played into this.

That would indicate that they were focused on someone with a grievance against the Closs family, and not a stranger.

Without a clear motive, it is hard to generate a profile. It’s made even harder by the unprecedented nature of this crime.

I definitely share your interest as to what profilers did think about this, but it’s impossible to say for sure what their assessment was.

The sheriff seemed surprised that taking JC was the motive for this crime. I don’t know, but it seemed rather obvious to me. Had a safe been opened and a pile of cash taken, we’d figure that’s what the intruder was after. Or if a supply of powerful pain-killers was missing from the cabinet, we’d figure the intruder came for the drugs. Seems rather obvious that if JC was the only thing missing that she was what the intruder came for. :-\

 

[Warwick7]

This is what JP put on that application the day he was arrested.

"Listed under skills, Patterson wrote, "I'm an honest hardworking guy. Not much work experience, but I show up to work and am a quick learner."

Closs case suspect applied for liquor store job the day of teen's escape

 

[mtnlites]

The sheriff seemed surprised that taking JC was the motive for this crime. I don’t know, but it seemed rather obvious to me. Had a safe been opened and a pile of cash taken, we’d figure that’s what the intruder was after. Or if a supply of powerful pain-killers was missing from the cabinet, we’d figure the intruder came for the drugs. Seems rather obvious that if JC was the only thing missing that she was what the intruder came for. :-\

It seemed obvious to me: two people murdered and the only thing taken from the house was the third person. I never thought anything other than Jayme being the target.

 

[TCIntriguedIN30]

The sheriff seemed surprised that taking JC was the motive for this crime. I don’t know, but it seemed rather obvious to me. Had a safe been opened and a pile of cash taken, we’d figure that’s what the intruder was after. Or if a supply of powerful pain-killers was missing from the cabinet, we’d figure the intruder came for the drugs. Seems rather obvious that if JC was the only thing missing that she was what the intruder came for. :-\

they were looking more into disgruntled employees I think, but still why would an employee want to take on a 13 year old child?

 

[Wrenny]

I'm torn between whether he is a suicide risk or not in jail.

I think he is loving telling everyone how clever he was. (As an aside, I imagine the experts who questioned him played that up.) I don't really think he is a suicide risk while he still has the glory of the trial in front of him. Sounds like he is perfectly happy to sit in solitary and stare at the wall too. It's probably after the trial, when he doesn't get to be special any more, that he will be a suicide risk. But maybe not... There may still be reporters or authors interested in talking to him.

 

[tnith]

Do we KNOW that JP siphoned fuel from other vehicles, picked up his mail at his mother's, and solicited strangers' money for random tasks?

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Social awareness is gradient, playing polite in public allowed local citizens to rest assured they were in no danger therefore LE's admonitions to watch closer went unheeded. We sit on a mountain of red flags and the culture in which these were normalized speaks to an inability to deal with aberrant individuals (neighbors claims of patterson's stealing gas, having company over at all times, loud music, possible car vandalism & roadkill, etc)

Post #641:
"Agree that isolation works to JTP's advantage of illusion and image control.
To my mind this is a major lesson that the public ought understand activity up to an incident as being suspicious as well.

Hardly BCSD's fault that the signs they shared for public to watch for were a well established pattern 'before' JC's kidnapping, would have taken marginal effort for anyone who knew JTP to ask themselves whether these things applied to anyone they knew. They accepted these signs as 'normal', therefore discounted the homicides & kidnapping in the world in general." "


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/us/jake-patterson-profile-wisconsin.html

Reading all of this, why would anyone come away wondering about willful ignorance? Here, have a guess:

“In a little town where everyone knows everyone’s business, how could we not know that’s who he was?” said Shawn Germann, a FedEx driver, during a stop at The Buckhorn Bar and Grill in Gordon. “You always see these other towns, and think, ‘Thank God I don’t live in a town like that.’ Now, evidently, I do.”

The resident quoted is the source of JTP 'did odd jobs':

"Ron Kofal, a lifelong Gordon resident who lives about a mile from the cabin where Jayme was held, said he met Mr. Patterson at the ICO gas station on Highway 53. He said Mr. Patterson, whom he described as “clean cut and shy,” sometimes performed odd jobs around town, like yard work and cabin maintenance, and had seemed pleasant in his interactions with him."

 

[Lillymac]

Suspect applied for job on same day Closs escaped, describing himself as a 'hardworking guy'

Thanks!!